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04-06-2013, 09:47 PM
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Hi cphabs,

I'm always around reading funny posts like ''LePoche69''.

Even though I don't really have the time to post as often as before (that's what a new baby does to you), this board can still be very entertaining
Congrats on the baby, Erika!

Man. Eller looked great again tonight. If only he had the vision to see how good he is himself...

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Eller is a hero.

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Apart from PK, I think Eller hates the bruins most on the habs. Maxpac is probably up there too.

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Apart from PK, I think Eller hates the bruins most on the habs. Maxpac is probably up there too.
Yeah, Eller seems to think like a fan when it comes to these things.

I think Plekanec and Emelin hate Chara too.

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Eller is a hero.
How funny would it have been if Eller just burst out and started copying Hulk Hogan...

"You just gotta say your prayers, take your vitamins, and be true to yourself. What'cha going to do Zdeno, when Ellermania and all the Ellermaniacs run WILD ON YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!" **ridiculous bicep-flex pose**

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Eller was absolutely solid last night.

He still has two big flaws:

-consistency
-focus/discipline

But those common problems for young players. He give me the impression he still lacks a bit of maturity, but I'm pretty confident the organization will fix this.

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Apart from PK, I think Eller hates the bruins most on the habs. Maxpac is probably up there too.
You can add Gallagher. He seems to really pest it up and go after the bigger Bruin defenders without fear.

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I think every Hab player hates the Bruins after playing one game at the TD Bank.

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Congratulations to Eller on his 200th NHL game.


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Pro-rated, his production would be 46 points over 82 games.

With almost zero PP time.

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Lars deserves more ice time. He is a big kid who can play.

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I dont know if this is correct but

Lars Eller: 5 points on the PP in 21:59

Desharnais: 5 points on the PP in 105:58

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Pro-rated, his production would be 46 points over 82 games.

With almost zero PP time.

Indeed !! It's safe to say that with some decent PP time, he would get around 60-65 points, which is more than enough to be a decent 1st line center/great 2nd line center.

I keep believing that Lars Eller is Mikko Koivu V2.0

The kid is truly amazing to watch. I just hope that the Habs will give him his chance to develop accordingly into the player he projects to be.

The only thing that I'm afraid of is: Michel Therrien and his love affairs with that Smurf David Desharnais. It is the only thing that will hold back Eller IMO.

Why all my favorite Habs player always ends up having bad luck with coaches or difficult times breaking out ?!

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Eller is already an "elite" third liner by points alone. Now he just needs to put it together and get in the top 6.

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Indeed !! It's safe to say that with some decent PP time, he would get around 60-65 points, which is more than enough to be a decent 1st line center/great 2nd line center.

I keep believing that Lars Eller is Mikko Koivu V2.0

The kid is truly amazing to watch. I just hope that the Habs will give him his chance to develop accordingly into the player he projects to be.

The only thing that I'm afraid of is: Michel Therrien and his love affairs with that Smurf David Desharnais. It is the only thing that will hold back Eller IMO.

Why all my favorite Habs player always ends up having bad luck with coaches or difficult times breaking out ?!
Therrien is not alone. He is surrounded by 4 other coaches + all the management upstairs. If they tell him that Eller needs more ice time and Desharnais, less, he's gonna listen. I feel bad for Desharnais. The guy was really one of the few bright spots last season. A change of linemates and less responsibilities could be the solution. Maybe he has some unknown injuries, too. I would try him with Bourque and Ryder for a while.

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Gotta put Prust and Galchy on the the other two!


What a great third line. Prust really makes them click, but Eller and Gally are looking super...

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I don't understand the logic behind refusing to give eller pp time there's no excuse for it only stubbornness .

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Eller is already an "elite" third liner by points alone. Now he just needs to put it together and get in the top 6.
There is a basic unavoidable fact about scoring at the supposed "top six" level.

Its essentially impossible without PP minutes.

The basic cut off for a top sixer these days is a point every two games or .5 PPG. But to get to .5 PPG on just even strength scoring requires a .5 PPG ES, which isn't just top six level, its impact player or riding on the coattails of an impact player level scoring. So to get to that level on your own merits means that you are such a strong offensive talent that you're going to force your way on to a PP.

Occasionally you get a bottom sixer that gets a hot hand and moves into top six territory on just ES work. But they can't sustain that an inevitably fall back to reality the next season.

The biggest reason you so often see the massive gap in top six and bottom six raw scoring totals is less about a huge gap in real offensive talent but that top sixers get their numbers juiced by being on one of their team's 2 PP waves.

The top six bottom six dichotomy that so many make so much about is effectively an artifact of penalties being 2 minutes long, which is effectively 2 PP shifts, which means ice time for two PP units worth of players. If they were one minute then you'd see the big gap in counting numbers between top line players and everyone else.

Which is effectively to say: Eller has already maxed out on the amount of offense any reasonable person could expect from him in his current usage. For them to increase, his usage must change. Expecting more out of him with no usage change is unreasonable.

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There is a basic unavoidable fact about scoring at the supposed "top six" level.

Its essentially impossible without PP minutes.

The basic cut off for a top sixer these days is a point every two games or .5 PPG. But to get to .5 PPG on just even strength scoring requires a .5 PPG ES, which isn't just top six level, its impact player or riding on the coattails of an impact player level scoring. So to get to that level on your own merits means that you are such a strong offensive talent that you're going to force your way on to a PP.

Occasionally you get a bottom sixer that gets a hot hand and moves into top six territory on just ES work. But they can't sustain that an inevitably fall back to reality the next season.

The biggest reason you so often see the massive gap in top six and bottom six raw scoring totals is less about a huge gap in real offensive talent but that top sixers get their numbers juiced by being on one of their team's 2 PP waves.

The top six bottom six dichotomy that so many make so much about is effectively an artifact of penalties being 2 minutes long, which is effectively 2 PP shifts, which means ice time for two PP units worth of players. If they were one minute then you'd see the big gap in counting numbers between top line players and everyone else.

Which is effectively to say: Eller has already maxed out on the amount of offense any reasonable person could expect from him in his current usage. For them to increase, his usage must change. Expecting more out of him with no usage change is unreasonable.
Today against Caps:

Desharnais : 0 pts, -1, 1 SOG, 19:57 min (1:48 min on PP)
Lars Eller . .: 2 pts, +1, 3 SOG, 13:40 min (0.00 min on PP)

#FreeLarsEller remember #NoExcuses

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There is a basic unavoidable fact about scoring at the supposed "top six" level.

Its essentially impossible without PP minutes.

The basic cut off for a top sixer these days is a point every two games or .5 PPG. But to get to .5 PPG on just even strength scoring requires a .5 PPG ES, which isn't just top six level, its impact player or riding on the coattails of an impact player level scoring. So to get to that level on your own merits means that you are such a strong offensive talent that you're going to force your way on to a PP.

Occasionally you get a bottom sixer that gets a hot hand and moves into top six territory on just ES work. But they can't sustain that an inevitably fall back to reality the next season.

The biggest reason you so often see the massive gap in top six and bottom six raw scoring totals is less about a huge gap in real offensive talent but that top sixers get their numbers juiced by being on one of their team's 2 PP waves.

The top six bottom six dichotomy that so many make so much about is effectively an artifact of penalties being 2 minutes long, which is effectively 2 PP shifts, which means ice time for two PP units worth of players. If they were one minute then you'd see the big gap in counting numbers between top line players and everyone else.

Which is effectively to say: Eller has already maxed out on the amount of offense any reasonable person could expect from him in his current usage. For them to increase, his usage must change. Expecting more out of him with no usage change is unreasonable.
Now that's a post.

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There is a basic unavoidable fact about scoring at the supposed "top six" level.

Its essentially impossible without PP minutes.

The basic cut off for a top sixer these days is a point every two games or .5 PPG. But to get to .5 PPG on just even strength scoring requires a .5 PPG ES, which isn't just top six level, its impact player or riding on the coattails of an impact player level scoring. So to get to that level on your own merits means that you are such a strong offensive talent that you're going to force your way on to a PP.

Occasionally you get a bottom sixer that gets a hot hand and moves into top six territory on just ES work. But they can't sustain that an inevitably fall back to reality the next season.

The biggest reason you so often see the massive gap in top six and bottom six raw scoring totals is less about a huge gap in real offensive talent but that top sixers get their numbers juiced by being on one of their team's 2 PP waves.

The top six bottom six dichotomy that so many make so much about is effectively an artifact of penalties being 2 minutes long, which is effectively 2 PP shifts, which means ice time for two PP units worth of players. If they were one minute then you'd see the big gap in counting numbers between top line players and everyone else.

Which is effectively to say: Eller has already maxed out on the amount of offense any reasonable person could expect from him in his current usage. For them to increase, his usage must change. Expecting more out of him with no usage change is unreasonable.
Exactly, some people were predicting a 50 point season(in an 82 game season) from eller which I thought was ridiculous since he's playing on third line, but he's proving me wrong and putting up what would be a 40+ season and to do that on third line without pp time is amazing.

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