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04-09-2013, 11:33 AM
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-Handle our RFAs. Sign Weber to a 2 year/5 mil contract. Hodgson, 2 year/8 mil. Flynn, 2 year/identical to current contract.

-Keep Vanek, re-sign him to a 6 year, 42-45 mil contract.

-Does Armstrong see Jake Allen as his future starter, and how close is he to being ready? If St. Louis' goaltending continues to falter, re-kindle the Miller to Blues fire. Trade him for the negotiating rights to Chris Stewart, Jordan Schmaltz and a pick.

-Sign Stewart to a 5 year/25 mil contract before anyone has a chance to OS him.

-Trade Stafford for pretty much anything. Picks, a good prospect, whatever.

-Leino, GTFO via buyout.

-Sign Anton Babchuk to a 2 year/5 mil contract as a stop gap until McCabe or McNabb can handle full-time duty.

-Sign David Steckel to a 2 yr/2 mil contract.

-Re-sign Pardy to a cheapo, keep him as the 7th.

-For the love of God, let Hecht sail into the sunset.


and then we have...

Vanek-Hodgson-Stewart (PRIMARY SCORING, BIG MINUTES, O-ZONE STARTS)
Foligno-Larsson-Ott (SHUTDOWN LINE, D-ZONE STARTS)
Grigorenko-Ennis-Armia (SHELTERED MINUTES, SECONDARY SCORING)
Kaleta-Steckel-Tropp (ENERGY, MUSCLE LINE)

Flynn (ROTATE IN WHEN NEEDED). If Armia isn't ready to make the jump, insert Flynn and keep Adam as the 13th.

Ehrhoff-Myers
Sekera-Weber
Pysyk-Babchuk

Hackett/Enroth


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Some of this will be reiterating what others have already said, but so be it.

Trades

-Thomas Vanek and MIN 2013 1st to Nashville for Mattias Ekholm (D) + Patric Hornqvist (RW) + NSH 2013 1st.

Nashville decides it needs a second franchise skater to play with Shea Weber. Shortly after next season's trade deadline, they sign TV to a big 8-year deal. The Sabres get an excellent defenseman prospect in Ekholm and a guy who usually scores around 25 goals (Hornqvist). I'm assuming NSH finishes the season with a pick in the 8-10 range, while Minnesota's is around 18-20.

-Stafford to Winnipeg for Burmistrov. No picks in the mix, no frills. Straight up hockey deal.

-Miller + STL 2013 4th/5th (from Leopold trade) to St. Louis for Halak + Ty Rattie.

RFA

Hodgson: 2yr/$7.6m ($3.8m cap)
Burmistrov: 2yr/$3.8m ($1.9m cap)
Hornqvist: 2yr/$7m ($3.5m cap)
Flynn: 1yr/$975k
Weber: 2yr/$3m ($1.5m cap)

UFA

Ryder: 2yr/$8m ($4.0m cap)
B. Gordon: 3yr/$5.4m (1.8m cap)
M. Hendricks: 2yr/$2.0m ($1m cap)
Pardy: 1yr/$600k

Bury:

Gerbe: $525k penalty
McCormick: $275k penalty

1st round draft

C Sean Monahan
D Darnell Nurse

*neither in NHL next year

Opening Night Lineup

Ott-Hodgson-Ryder
Foligno-Ennis-Hornqvist
Leino-Burmistrov-Flynn
Hendricks-Gordon-Kaleta
x Porter, Scott

Ehrhoff-Myers
Ekholm-Sekera
Weber-Pysyk
x Pardy

Halak
Enroth

Cap Estimate: $52.750.000
Cap Space: $11.550.000

In Rochester: Rattie, Armia, Larsson, Hackett, McNabb, Gerbe, McCormick

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Babchuk for 5 mill over 2 years? What lol

What it with the Burmistrov loven around here? Radulov 2.0

Absolutely no interest in that guy, no character.


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My projected line up:

Vanek-Hodgson-Leino/FA (Leino could generate space for Vanek, I don't see Regier going the FA route but it's a possibility)
Ott-Ennis-Grigoreko (good, solid second line. Ott will probably take the faceoffs)
Foligno--Flynn (Need a 3rd line centre, not sure who's on the market. I think Flynn has proven himself enough for a full season)
Kaleta-Porter-Tropp (Porter has been decent enough for us, Tropp deserves to play in the NHL by now)

Myers-Ehrhoff (Ehrhoff could really teach Myers a huge amount)
Sekera-Pysyk (same again, veteran and a young guy, Pysyk has proven himself imho)
Weber- (rookie/FA in the missing pairing)

Enroth
Hackett (it's a risky pairing but with I think they can manage, with no Ruff especially)

Priority has to be special teams, we have to be in the top 15 in special teams next year or it'll be a repeat of this season.

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04-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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Babchuk for 5 mill over 2 years? What lol

What it with the Burmistrov loven around here? Radulov 2.0

Absolutely no interest in that guy, no character.
He might just need a fresh start somewhere else...he is still very young. With that said, I don't see how we could land him with Stafford alone. Maybe I am just being really negative about his value but at this point I think we would be lucky to unload him for what we got in return for Leo (2nd and 4th or 5th round picks)

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Am I missing something? Does Shea Weber lack a no trade clause once we hit mid July?

If so...I do my utmost to pry him out of Nashville.

Vanek + Grigorenko + McNabb + 2014 first + we eat as much of Vanek's salary as we can. Of course...Nashville only looks at this if they can be certain Vanek re-signs there.


If Washington gets bounced due to poor goaltending...

Miller + 2014 2nd round pick (LA) to Washington for Kuznetsov...we eat some of Miller's salary. I doubt Washington does this, but hey....it's 7am and I haven't had my coffee as of yet.

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There appears to be no quick fix for next year since NHL and NCAA UFAs are slim pickings. Improvement hinging on some of the kids taking a big leap and the GM being able to turn up some sort of currently non-roster gem.

3rd/4th line defensively responsible PK/faceoff forward pulls the bottom 6 together a bit -- Boyd Gordon is at the top of the list for me. Trying to pry Brian Boyle out of NY would be another, perhaps an opportunity to buy lower than last year. We know first hand what Sobotka can do in that role when he ate up the Sabres in the playoffs a few years ago, again a case of trying to pry him out of a solid situation with the Blues. Jerred Smithson might also be someone to look at -- I can't see his QualCom and such at the moment but his faceoff numbers over the years as well as PK use are right there (yes, he's 34 and a Western Canadian guy, still a UFA though).

Internal growth -- auditioning Armia, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Larsson and Tropp going into camp as well as whoever they land at the top end of this year's draft -- is going to be big. Plausibly, they may have a mostly rookie type line (2/3rds) that they feed some easy minutes to.

Pysyk will need to continue stable play. McNabb needs to step up -- they could use his strengths (snarl, ability to pass the puck) without too many of his mistakes (turnovers, positioning) -- as well. There will be open roster spaces and on the job training next season.

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Some of this will be reiterating what others have already said, but so be it.

Trades

-Thomas Vanek and MIN 2013 1st to Nashville for Mattias Ekholm (D) + Patric Hornqvist (RW) + NSH 2013 1st.

Nashville decides it needs a second franchise skater to play with Shea Weber. Shortly after next season's trade deadline, they sign TV to a big 8-year deal. The Sabres get an excellent defenseman prospect in Ekholm and a guy who usually scores around 25 goals (Hornqvist). I'm assuming NSH finishes the season with a pick in the 8-10 range, while Minnesota's is around 18-20.

-Stafford to Winnipeg for Burmistrov. No picks in the mix, no frills. Straight up hockey deal.

-Miller + STL 2013 4th/5th (from Leopold trade) to St. Louis for Halak + Ty Rattie.

RFA

Hodgson: 2yr/$7.6m ($3.8m cap)
Burmistrov: 2yr/$3.8m ($1.9m cap)
Hornqvist: 2yr/$7m ($3.5m cap)
Flynn: 1yr/$975k
Weber: 2yr/$3m ($1.5m cap)

UFA

Ryder: 2yr/$8m ($4.0m cap)
B. Gordon: 3yr/$5.4m (1.8m cap)
M. Hendricks: 2yr/$2.0m ($1m cap)
Pardy: 1yr/$600k

Bury:

Gerbe: $525k penalty
McCormick: $275k penalty

1st round draft

C Sean Monahan
D Darnell Nurse

*neither in NHL next year

Opening Night Lineup

Ott-Hodgson-Ryder
Foligno-Ennis-Hornqvist
Leino-Burmistrov-Flynn
Hendricks-Gordon-Kaleta
x Porter, Scott

Ehrhoff-Myers
Ekholm-Sekera
Weber-Pysyk
x Pardy

Halak
Enroth

Cap Estimate: $52.750.000
Cap Space: $11.550.000

In Rochester: Rattie, Armia, Larsson, Hackett, McNabb, Gerbe, McCormick
I like Ekholm, but I'm not crazy about that value coming back for Vanek and a first.

Seems like a decent basis, though.

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My projected line up:

Vanek-Hodgson-Leino/FA (Leino could generate space for Vanek, I don't see Regier going the FA route but it's a possibility)
Ott-Ennis-Grigoreko (good, solid second line. Ott will probably take the faceoffs)
Foligno--Flynn (Need a 3rd line centre, not sure who's on the market. I think Flynn has proven himself enough for a full season)
Kaleta-Porter-Tropp (Porter has been decent enough for us, Tropp deserves to play in the NHL by now)

Myers-Ehrhoff (Ehrhoff could really teach Myers a huge amount)
Sekera-Pysyk (same again, veteran and a young guy, Pysyk has proven himself imho)
Weber- (rookie/FA in the missing pairing)

Enroth
Hackett (it's a risky pairing but with I think they can manage, with no Ruff especially)

Priority has to be special teams, we have to be in the top 15 in special teams next year or it'll be a repeat of this season.
I think it's plausible that Larson will earn the third center job. He's doing really well In the A this year and is really close to ready based on how Minnesota was handling him.

However I don't think it's possible to pencil in Grigs for a top-six role at this point. As we all know he did not look ready at all this year. More than anything he just needs time to grow physically.

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I like Ekholm, but I'm not crazy about that value coming back for Vanek and a first.

Seems like a decent basis, though.
My thought process was it's Ekholm + Hornqvist (who, before this season, had scored 20+ in three consecutive seasons, and 27+ in two of them, in a bland offensive system) + moving up 10-12 spots in the draft to get a second top-10 pick, which, as we all know, have huge value and rarely get traded.

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I think it's plausible that Larson will earn the third center job. He's doing really well In the A this year and is really close to ready based on how Minnesota was handling him.

However I don't think it's possible to pencil in Grigs for a top-six role at this point. As we all know he did not look ready at all this year. More than anything he just needs time to grow physically.
Fair point, is he AHL eligable next year though? Agree with Larsson, forgot about him.

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My thought process was it's Ekholm + Hornqvist (who, before this season, had scored 20+ in three consecutive seasons, and 27+ in two of them, in a bland offensive system) + moving up 10-12 spots in the draft to get a second top-10 pick, which, as we all know, have huge value and rarely get traded.
Admittedly, I don't know much about Hornqvist. Is he just a natural scorer? How's his two-way game?

We need some kind of vet scoring if Vanek is moved. So I'm on board there. But I wonder if that player needs to suit the organization's new-found commitment to adding 200-foot, complete players.

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Is Miller's value really that low? Damn.

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Is Miller's value really that low? Damn.
There aren't many starting goaltenders being slung around for high-value returns, especially not when there is UFA uncertainty attached to the guy. Sabre fans are probably going to be disappointed when he's dealt based on the return. Only a team being stupid *ahem*Flyers*ahem* or one that panics if their goaltending fails them in the playoffs will likely return much, and even then, people should be tempering their expectations.

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The guy I want in any deal with Nashville is Magnus Hellburg. He is going to be an elite goalie.

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There aren't many starting goaltenders being slung around for high-value returns, especially not when there is UFA uncertainty attached to the guy. Sabre fans are probably going to be disappointed when he's dealt based on the return. Only a team being stupid *ahem*Flyers*ahem* or one that panics if their goaltending fails them in the playoffs will likely return much, and even then, people should be tempering their expectations.
Agreed. That's why I think a conditional deal for expiring rights makes the most sense.

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Admittedly, I don't know much about Hornqvist.
Maybe kind of out of the Dino Ciccarelli mold. Not as great, of course, but likes to get his goals being strong around the net. Somewhat of an agitator, esp to goaltenders. Admittedly, I also only watch him play maybe 10 reg season games/year, but that's my take. A Preds fan could prob explain better.

Also, someone mentioned Kiprusoff. He's slated to retire(circumvent).

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Vanek (7.140)-Hodgson (3.750)-Ott (2.950)
Ennis (2.850)-Grigorenko (1.775)-Jagr (6.250)
Foligno (0.900)-Burmistrov (1.5)-Gerbe (1.450)
Kaleta (1.086)-Malhotra (1.250)-Tropp (0.800)
Scott (0.650)/Flynn (0.900)

Myers (5.5)-Ehrhoff (4)
Sekera (2.75)- Klesla (2.975)
Pysyk (0.870)-Weber (1.5)
Pardy (1.5)

Halak (3.8)
Hackett (1)

Cap Hit: 57.121

Re-signings:
Cody Hodgson- 3 year deal @ 3.750 per season
Alex Burmistrov- 2 year deal @ 1.5 per season
Corey Tropp- 2 years @ $800,000 per season
Mike Weber- 2 years @ 1.5 per season
Matt Hackett- 3 years @ 1 mil per season
Adam Pardy- 1 year @ 1.5 mil
Brian Flynn- 1 year @ $900,000
John Scott- 1 year @ $650,000


At the Draft:
Depending on where Buffalo picks, anyone from Barkov, Lindholm, Monahan or Nichushkin would be fine.
I expect Minny to draft around the 15th to 17th range so hoping for Buffalo to draft the BPA with this pick.



Trades:
Miller + Conditional 5th to STL for Halak + Rattie + Schmaltz (will go through if Halak agrees to a 1-2 year extension before the trade)- The Blues get their franchise goaltender who can potentially put them over the top. Buffalo gets a decent starter who can split duties with Matt Hackett as he adjusts to the NHL game plus two very good prospects.

Stafford + Adam + 2nd round pick (STL) to WIN for Burmistrov- Definitely a risky trade but it might be worth it in the long run. Burmistrov is a solid defensive centre who can be a mainstay on Buffalo’s 3rd line for the time being. He also has some offensive potential, even though it hasn’t been shown at the highest level.

Enroth to ??? for a 2nd round draft pick- Enroth is a solid young backup and a few teams will try to get him for that price.

2nd round pick (???) to PHX for Klesla- Phoenix is loaded with d-men and Buffalo really needs a veteran, physical, shut-down d-man. Klesla might be injury prone and only have 1 year left on his deal, but he’s a solid shut-down d-man who will allow players like Pysyk and McNabb to continue to develop in the minors or play limited minutes. Plus if he gets hurt, Pysyk and McNabb will likely get more NHL experience that way. If Klesla doesn’t pan out, the Sabres can just trade him at the deadline as well.

Signings:
Jaromir Jagr-1 year @ 6.25 mil- Jagr will likely go where the money is and the reason for why Buffalo should sign him is to be a mentor for Grigorenko and Burmistrov. There is no better way for Grigs to adapt to the NHL game than to play with a talented veteran like Jagr. He’ll likely get dealt at the deadline as well which will garner a return for the Sabres so it is a low-risk, high-reward signing.

Manny Malhotra- 1 year deal @ 1.25 mil- If Manny hasn’t officially retired, he would be a perfect fit for Buffalo as the 4th line centre. He’s a defensive specialist and a leader who’s one of the best faceoff men in the league, which Buffalo desperately needs. He’s another low-risk, high-reward signing that will help mentor the bottom six forwards in Buffalo. If he doesn’t pan out, Buffalo still has guys like Kevin Porter that can take over the 4th line centre spot.

Other Notes:
In my opinion, the Sabres need to keep Vanek unless if there’s an offer out there that they can’t refuse. Vanek staying is a crucial part of the rebuild and him and Hodgson have great chemistry. If he doesn’t sign an extension though, then the Sabres will have no choice but to deal him.

The Sabres need to play it smart with this rebuild. That means that they don’t simply just trade their star players away for depth in terms of prospects and picks. Let guys develop in the minors so they can better adapt to the NHL game. There’s no need to set the team back 5 years when they can start to build an elite team 2-3 years from now. Players like Larsson, Girgensons, Armia, McNabb, etc should see little to no NHL time just yet.

This is also a lineup that is adaptable to change. If Grigorenko isn't ready to be a legitimate top-six forward just yet, Ennis can move back to being the 2nd line centre and several players can move up to the wing. If Larsson is NHL ready, then there is the ability for movement within the bottom six forwards.


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Internal growth -- auditioning Armia, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Larsson and Tropp going into camp as well as whoever they land at the top end of this year's draft -- is going to be big. Plausibly, they may have a mostly rookie type line (2/3rds) that they feed some easy minutes to.
Not earth shattering on my part.. But the quoted is huge. Hoping for this.

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A bit out there, but two UFAs to look at are Joacim Eriksson and Bud Holloway, teammates with Skellefteå (currently in the Elitserien final vs. Luleå).

Eriksson is a goalie and a former Flyers draft pick (they chose not to sign him for some reason even though he was their top prospect according to many, but they suck with goalies).
He's performed very well in the Elitserien and has led his team to two consecutive final appearances (hasn't won just yet).
He's probably just about ready to step into the NHL at the age of 23 and is reportedly looking to come to the NHL.
It'd be a two year ELC.

Holloway is a former Kings draft pick and actually currently a Group IV free agent (defected restricted free agent), but is scheduled to become a Group VI (unrestricted free agent at the age of 25 due to lack of NHL games played).
He was working his way towards becoming an NHL'er in the AHL before leaving the Kings organization in the summer of 2011.
The Kings felt he was ready for the NHL, but never gave him his shot.
He's lit it up in the Elitserien since, finishing fifth and first in scoring in his two seasons and missed breaking the Elitserien record for points set by Håkan Loob thirty years ago by only five points.

With the potential there is for roster turnover this summer, adding both of these guys would create competition in addition to still having some decent upside.
If they were to just clean out the crease completely, Eriksson would create competition for Hackett.
Both Eriksson and Hackett would be waiver exempt, so a veteran could be brought in and whichever of the two young goalies loses the battle would be in Rochester.
With Pominville gone, our RW's will be Armia, Flynn, Kaleta, and Stafford.
Holloway would create competition for Armia in particular.
He would not be waiver exempt, but would be a nice minor league scorer and depth option if he lost out on a spot.
Pegula bucks and the new waiver rules could be used to counter his waiver status (load up the minor league salary or just make it a one-way).


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A bit out there, but two UFAs to look at are Joacim Eriksson and Bud Holloway, teammates with Skellefteå (currently in the Elitserien final vs. Luleå).

Eriksson is a goalie and a former Flyers draft pick (they chose not to sign him for some reason even though he was their top prospect according to many, but they suck with goalies).
He's performed very well in the Elitserien and has led his team to three consecutive final appearances (hasn't won just yet).
He's probably just about ready to step into the NHL at the age of 23 and is reportedly looking to come to the NHL.
It'd be a two year ELC.

Holloway is a former Kings draft pick and actually currently a Group IV free agent (defected restricted free agent), but is scheduled to become a Group VI (unrestricted free agent at the age of 25 due to lack of NHL games played).
He was working his way towards becoming an NHL'er in the AHL before leaving the Kings organization in the summer of 2011.
The Kings felt he was ready for the NHL, but never gave him his shot.
He's lit it up in the Elitserien since, finishing fifth and first in scoring in his two seasons and missed breaking the Elitserien record for points set by Håkan Loob thirty years ago by only five points.

With the potential there is for roster turnover this summer, adding both of these guys would create competition in addition to still having some decent upside.
If they were to just clean out the crease completely, Eriksson would create competition for Hackett.
Both would be waiver exempt, so a veteran could be brought in and whichever of the two young goalies loses the battle would be in Rochester.
With Pominville gone, our RW's will be Armia, Flynn, Kaleta, and Stafford.
Holloway would create competition for Armia in particular.
He would not be waiver exempt, but would be a nice minor league scorer and depth option if he lost out on a spot.
Pegula bucks and the new waiver rules could be used to counter his waiver status (load up the minor league salary or just make it a one-way).
Tell me more about the goalie.

I remember Holloway vaguely from (I think) Manchester? But both names are intriguing as you describe them.

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Didn't Holloway play in the W? I thought he was a 50 goal scorer. And iirc, he played in jfb's city of death.


Edit: wrong. Played in Seattle not Portland, and had 43 goals in his last year in Seattle. Close!!

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A bit out there, but two UFAs to look at are Joacim Eriksson and Bud Holloway, teammates with Skellefteå (currently in the Elitserien final vs. Luleå).

Eriksson is a goalie and a former Flyers draft pick (they chose not to sign him for some reason even though he was their top prospect according to many, but they suck with goalies).
He's performed very well in the Elitserien and has led his team to three consecutive final appearances (hasn't won just yet).
He's probably just about ready to step into the NHL at the age of 23 and is reportedly looking to come to the NHL.
It'd be a two year ELC.

Holloway is a former Kings draft pick and actually currently a Group IV free agent (defected restricted free agent), but is scheduled to become a Group VI (unrestricted free agent at the age of 25 due to lack of NHL games played).
He was working his way towards becoming an NHL'er in the AHL before leaving the Kings organization in the summer of 2011.
The Kings felt he was ready for the NHL, but never gave him his shot.
He's lit it up in the Elitserien since, finishing fifth and first in scoring in his two seasons and missed breaking the Elitserien record for points set by Håkan Loob thirty years ago by only five points.

With the potential there is for roster turnover this summer, adding both of these guys would create competition in addition to still having some decent upside.
If they were to just clean out the crease completely, Eriksson would create competition for Hackett.
Both Eriksson and Hackett would be waiver exempt, so a veteran could be brought in and whichever of the two young goalies loses the battle would be in Rochester.
With Pominville gone, our RW's will be Armia, Flynn, Kaleta, and Stafford.
Holloway would create competition for Armia in particular.
He would not be waiver exempt, but would be a nice minor league scorer and depth option if he lost out on a spot.
Pegula bucks and the new waiver rules could be used to counter his waiver status (load up the minor league salary or just make it a one-way).
And do you just find these fucquers via stats? Or do you see highlights of games?

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Tell me more about the goalie.

I remember Holloway vaguely from (I think) Manchester? But both names are intriguing as you describe them.
He's one of the better goalies in the Elitserien the past few years, which has had some very good goalies lately (Ducks Andersen and Fasth, Wild Gustafsson, Bruins Svedberg).
He plays a similar style to Henrik Lundqvist, staying deep in his net and using his reflexes.
Before he was let go in favor of Niko Hovinen, he and Bobrovsky were seen as pretty much equal.
European goalies are a crapshoot, but he might be the best out there this year.

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Didn't Holloway play in the W? I thought he was a 50 goal scorer. And iirc, he played in jfb's city of death.


Edit: wrong. Played in Seattle not Portland, and had 43 goals in his last year in Seattle. Close!!
It's the Seattle organization that's crap, and yes, he played there.
Portland are cheaters, but Seattle are just terrible.

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And do you just find these fucquers via stats? Or do you see highlights of games?
Well, Holloway was just one of the interesting prospects with Manchester and I saw a decent amount of him as he was in Portland's division when we were affiliated with them.
I haven't seen as much of Eriksson, as he was a backup the last time they had a decent draft prospect (2010-11, when Adam Larsson played there, along with Erixon and Rundblad), but I've ended up watching them in the playoffs the past few years because they've always ended up in the final.

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