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04-10-2013, 02:07 PM
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Wow. People really do need a scapegoat. Brassard has played 4 games here and he is already the new whipping boy for some people because of their perception of him from his time with another team.

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04-10-2013, 02:23 PM
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Brassard is not soft at all. He goes into the dirty areas of the ice to battle for pucks. He just isn't overly large so he isn't all that successful along the boards. I am not sure where you get "soft" from.
Not willing to engage in physical battles because of a previous injury is a good excuse. Still an excuse though.

Hes been a soft perimeter type player since his shoulder injury. Im not saying thats a bad thing. Not everyone has to be a banger on the roster. But dont go saying hes not a soft player just because hes Ranger property now.

Brad Richards has been soft his whole career. Doesnt mean hes wasnt a very very good player until this season.

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04-10-2013, 02:24 PM
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Ridiculous indeed, how Brassard is picked as sole reason for things gone wrong with the 3rd line. People just forget the icredible passing display when he is on our PP (when he's without Boyle). The guy deserves some minutes with a guy who can finish. Hagelin is in a slump and Boyle is the king of wrong decision-making. He dekes in front of an open net only to end up in front of the goalie. Epic!

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04-10-2013, 02:25 PM
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I posted a video somewhere in this thread, the announcers discuss Brassard's lack of toughness after he ended up in a fight. He spent quite some time on the CBJ injury list after trying to play physical. Watch it and you'll know what I mean.

But I wish him all the best as a Ranger, hopefully his hockey skills will help us.
Wow...just Wow...so a skilled guy who can't fight but still drops them with James Neal and Matt Cooke is somehow soft?????

Man when this board picks a whipping boy

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04-10-2013, 02:27 PM
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Not willing to engage in physical battles because of a previous injury is a good excuse. Still an excuse though.

Hes been a soft perimeter type player since his shoulder injury. Im not saying thats a bad thing. Not everyone has to be a banger on the roster. But dont go saying hes not a soft player just because hes Ranger property now.
That's the thing, though - based solely on his 4 games here I would NOT call him a perimeter player. He has been more than willing to go into the dirty areas. He just isn't that effective when he engages there. That's why I drew the distinction between unwilling (which is how I view soft) to hit, battle along the walls, etc. and willing, but not possessing much aptitude at it.

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04-10-2013, 02:28 PM
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That's the thing, though - based solely on his 4 games here I would NOT call him a perimeter player. He has been more than willing to go into the dirty areas. He just isn't that effective when he engages there. That's why I drew the distinction between unwilling (which is how I view soft) to hit, battle along the walls, etc. and willing, but not possessing much aptitude at it.
Fair enough. Ill give you that willing and ineffective is better than completely unwilling to get your nose dirty.

Ive also come to the realization that this fanbase will never ever be happy with their 3rd line center anyway.

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04-10-2013, 02:30 PM
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Not willing to engage in physical battles because of a previous injury is a good excuse. Still an excuse though.

Hes been a soft perimeter type player since his shoulder injury. Im not saying thats a bad thing. Not everyone has to be a banger on the roster. But dont go saying hes not a soft player just because hes Ranger property now.

Brad Richards has been soft his whole career. Doesnt mean hes wasnt a very very good player until this season.
In his 4 games so far as a Ranger I've seen him in the corners and in front of the net...don't know what else you want from the kid.

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04-10-2013, 02:31 PM
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I'm not a fan of his game at all. I don't think he's as good defensively as people are making him out to be. Last game was pretty bad. He's never been a defensive player, so I'm not sure where this claim of good defensive play is coming from. He is a weak, tweener that gets muscled off the puck easily and has spurts of offensive creativity leaving you with exciting, followed by stretches of disappointment. We should have gotten Foligno, Anisimov or Dubinsky in return, but we can see why JD is a hell of an executive.

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04-10-2013, 02:36 PM
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In his 4 games so far as a Ranger I've seen him in the corners and in front of the net...don't know what else you want from the kid.
Its not about what I want from this 26 year old "kid."

Its about this fanbase's misguided hope that a player will change his stripes after several years in the NHL when he comes to the Rangers.

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Its not about what I want from this 26 year old "kid."

Its about this fanbase's misguided hope that a player will change his stripes after several years in the NHL when he comes to the Rangers.
You said he was soft, soft players don't go to the front of the net...never really saw him play before he got here, and frankly I don't know how many people who aren't CBJ fans have...so far he's done all the right things.

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I'm not a fan of his game at all. I don't think he's as good defensively as people are making him out to be. Last game was pretty bad. He's never been a defensive player, so I'm not sure where this claim of good defensive play is coming from. He is a weak, tweener that gets muscled off the puck easily and has spurts of offensive creativity leaving you with exciting, followed by stretches of disappointment. We should have gotten Foligno, Anisimov or Dubinsky in return, but we can see why JD is a hell of an executive.
serious question, who on this team are you a fan of?

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04-10-2013, 02:52 PM
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serious question, who on this team are you a fan of?
Lots. Hagelin MDZ Stepan Lundqvist Biron.

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Lots. Hagelin MDZ Stepan Lundqvist Biron.
so you like three non-goaltenders?

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It's ironic that the biggest criticisms are coming from the biggest Gabby fans, because the primary topics of criticism are areas in which Gabby was as bad or (significantly) worse.

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Fair enough. Ill give you that willing and ineffective is better than completely unwilling to get your nose dirty.

Ive also come to the realization that this fanbase will never ever be happy with their 3rd line center anyway.
Yup. Brassard has been fantastic in that role so far.

(And again, you can't take him alone - he was one of 4 pieces that came back for Gabby.)

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An interesting video here.

Brassard gets drilled into the boards real hard, he seems to be okay and thats special since he's injury prone. Then he drops them to fight the guy who hit him, thats respect, I liked it. But the rest...

I don't know, I guess a really soft guy wouldn't try to fight back. Maybe we should give Brassard a chance to show he isn't too bad when comes to the physical stuff, except the fisticuffs.


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You said he was soft, soft players don't go to the front of the net...never really saw him play before he got here, and frankly I don't know how many people who aren't CBJ fans have...so far he's done all the right things.
Soft players go to the net. They just look to avoid contact when they get there.

I dont mean for my description of Brassard to automatically mean hes a worthless player or anything like that. A lot of good players have been soft.

If he can add some offensive creativity to the 3rd line and be responsible defensively, I dont care if he doesnt throw a check his entire time here.

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It's ironic that the biggest criticisms are coming from the biggest Gabby fans, because the primary topics of criticism are areas in which Gabby was as bad or (significantly) worse.



Yup. Brassard has been fantastic in that role so far.

(And again, you can't take him alone - he was one of 4 pieces that came back for Gabby.)
I think a lot of folks are upset that there was no centerpiece to that Gaborik deal, so I expect a lot of unfair expectations to be placed on Brassard as a result.

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To say we know what we have with Brassard after four games, one way or the other, is crazy.

I think going from a team like Columbus all of your career to a big market, successful franchise could certainly turn a younger players career around a bit. It's not to say he'll go from average to top three forward, but it's not as if a change of scenery has never helped a struggling player before.

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Soft players go to the net. They just look to avoid contact when they get there.

I dont mean for my description of Brassard to automatically mean hes a worthless player or anything like that. A lot of good players have been soft.

If he can add some offensive creativity to the 3rd line and be responsible defensively, I dont care if he doesnt throw a check his entire time here.
Unless your going to the net against the Rangers, the probability of getting drilled is extremely high. Is he going to stand if front of the goalie to screen him, probably not but that's not his game...as JD used to say you have to let your plumbers plumb and dancers dance.

If you want Brassaard to be Callahan you are guaranteed to be disappointed.

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To say we know what we have with Brassard after four games, one way or the other, is crazy.
I think its crazy that you think its crazy.

Hes played over 300 NHL games before coming to the Rangers. Hes 25 years old. To totally wipe the slate clean when discussing him as a player is absurd.

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Unless your going to the net against the Rangers, the probability of getting drilled is extremely high. Is he going to stand if front of the goalie to screen him, probably not but that's not his game...as JD used to say you have to let your plumbers plumb and dancers dance.

If you want Brassaard to be Callahan you are guaranteed to be disappointed.
I think its pretty clear thats not what I want, nor expect.

....Torts on the other hand....

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I think its pretty clear thats not what I want, nor expect.

....Torts on the other hand....
Torts was not enamored with Miller or Boyle at 3c. To me, that means he is open to the idea of someone with more skill taking over that role. Brassard has looked good.

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I think its crazy that you think its crazy.

Hes played over 300 NHL games before coming to the Rangers. Hes 25 years old. To totally wipe the slate clean when discussing him as a player is absurd.
He is currently 4th on this team in total points.
11-12 he would have been tied with MDZ for 5th
10-11 he would have been 4th, 1 point behind Cally.

He did that playing on a team that was in the bottom 1/4 of the NHL in Goals For.

Is he gonna be Gabby and have 40 goal seasons? Probably has the same chance as I do.

Because he isn't performing to his 6th overall draft selection doesn't mean he can't be a good player for this team.

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I haven't had the time to read some of the posts in this thread so sorry if this has been said a lot, what role was Brass playing in Columbus? 1C, 2C, 3C..?

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All of the above at some point in his career. This year, mainly 2c/3c

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