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04-10-2013, 01:49 PM
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I had the exact same question in my head. There's some people who just don't like the guy because he was given the job at such a young age. You know what, that's not his fault. Some people are pissed that their beloved Halak was traded instead of Price, well that's not his fault either (by the way Halak sucks this year and has never been able to prove that he can be a #1 goalie able to play 60-70 games a year).

This is not an excuse for Carey's bad games and the bad goals he sometimes gives up, but all goalies have bad games and give up bad goals, we just scrutinize every single one in Montreal compared to other markets.

Lots of good goalies are having strange years and are inconsistent including Quick, Rinne, Luongo and Miller.

In an ideal world, the Canadiens would always have the best and least paid goalie in the league, but guess what, this isn't a fantasy team.

Here's a list of the 15 top paid goalies in the league.

Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Rinne, Pekka G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000
2. Lundqvist, Henrik G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $6,875,000
3. Price, Carey G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $6,500,000
4. Ward, Cam G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,300,000
5. Miller, Ryan G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000
6. Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 35 2009 2013 4 $6,000,000
7. Kiprusoff, Miikka G CGY 36 2008 2014 6 $5,833,333
8. Bryzgalov, Ilya G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $5,666,667
9. Luongo, Roberto G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $5,333,333
10. Thomas, Tim G NYI 38 2009 2013 4 $5,000,000
11. Fleury, Marc-Andre G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,000,000
12. DiPietro, Rick G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000
13. Hiller, Jonas G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
14. Brodeur, Martin G NJD 40 2012 2014 2 $4,500,000
15. Schneider, Cory G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000


Here's how they are playing in comparison to Carey.

Superior

15. Schneider, Cory G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000 (.928 sv pct)
2. Lundqvist, Henrik G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $6,875,000 (.926 sv pct)

Similar

11. Fleury, Marc-Andre G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,000,000 (.917 sv pct)
1. Rinne, Pekka G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000 (.916 sv pct)
3. Price, Carey G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $6,500,000 (.915 sv pct)
6. Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 35 2009 2013 4 $6,000,000 (.915 sv pct)
5. Miller, Ryan G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000 (.914 sv pct)
13. Hiller, Jonas G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000 (.911 sv pct)


Worse

14. Brodeur, Martin G NJD 40 2012 2014 2 $4,500,000 (.908 sv pct)
4. Ward, Cam G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,300,000 (hurt, but .908 sv pct before)
9. Luongo, Roberto G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $5,333,333 (.904 sv pct)

Way Worse

8. Bryzgalov, Ilya G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $5,666,667 (.896 sv pct)
7. Kiprusoff, Miikka G CGY 36 2008 2014 6 $5,833,333 (.873 sv pct)
12. DiPietro, Rick G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000 (.855 sv pct)

As you can see by this Carey is having a decent year. We all want him to win every game and stop every puck, but its not gonna happen. Out of the top paid goalies in the league, he's performing above average. Remember that most goalies don't starting hitting their peak until their mid 20's such as Lundqvist and Rinne. Even Schneider is already 27 and will get a nice raise in 2 years if he can prove that he can be a #1 goalie and play 60-70 games a year.

Those who say Budaj could do the job have no clue. Look at Budaj's career numbers and get back to me. He's great as a back up and can probably fill in for Carey if anything happens for a few games, but some people seem to have short memories regarding last year

Lets all back Carey Price as he's our goalie of the present and the future. We know he can take his game to another level, so let's hope he brings it for the playoffs because we need him!
There is no level for him....

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I had the exact same question in my head. There's some people who just don't like the guy because he was given the job at such a young age. You know what, that's not his fault. Some people are pissed that their beloved Halak was traded instead of Price, well that's not his fault either (by the way Halak sucks this year and has never been able to prove that he can be a #1 goalie able to play 60-70 games a year).

This is not an excuse for Carey's bad games and the bad goals he sometimes gives up, but all goalies have bad games and give up bad goals, we just scrutinize every single one in Montreal compared to other markets.

Lots of good goalies are having strange years and are inconsistent including Quick, Rinne, Luongo and Miller.

In an ideal world, the Canadiens would always have the best and least paid goalie in the league, but guess what, this isn't a fantasy team.

Here's a list of the 15 top paid goalies in the league.

Player Pos Team Age Start End Length Amount
1. Rinne, Pekka G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000
2. Lundqvist, Henrik G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $6,875,000
3. Price, Carey G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $6,500,000
4. Ward, Cam G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,300,000
5. Miller, Ryan G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000
6. Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 35 2009 2013 4 $6,000,000
7. Kiprusoff, Miikka G CGY 36 2008 2014 6 $5,833,333
8. Bryzgalov, Ilya G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $5,666,667
9. Luongo, Roberto G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $5,333,333
10. Thomas, Tim G NYI 38 2009 2013 4 $5,000,000
11. Fleury, Marc-Andre G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,000,000
12. DiPietro, Rick G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000
13. Hiller, Jonas G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000
14. Brodeur, Martin G NJD 40 2012 2014 2 $4,500,000
15. Schneider, Cory G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000


Here's how they are playing in comparison to Carey.

Superior

15. Schneider, Cory G VAN 27 2012 2015 3 $4,000,000 (.928 sv pct)
2. Lundqvist, Henrik G NYR 31 2008 2014 6 $6,875,000 (.926 sv pct)

Similar

11. Fleury, Marc-Andre G PIT 28 2008 2015 7 $5,000,000 (.917 sv pct)
1. Rinne, Pekka G NAS 30 2012 2019 7 $7,000,000 (.916 sv pct)
3. Price, Carey G MTL 25 2012 2018 6 $6,500,000 (.915 sv pct)
6. Backstrom, Niklas G MIN 35 2009 2013 4 $6,000,000 (.915 sv pct)
5. Miller, Ryan G BUF 32 2009 2014 5 $6,250,000 (.914 sv pct)
13. Hiller, Jonas G ANA 31 2010 2014 4 $4,500,000 (.911 sv pct)


Worse

14. Brodeur, Martin G NJD 40 2012 2014 2 $4,500,000 (.908 sv pct)
4. Ward, Cam G CAR 29 2010 2016 6 $6,300,000 (hurt, but .908 sv pct before)
9. Luongo, Roberto G VAN 34 2010 2022 12 $5,333,333 (.904 sv pct)

Way Worse

8. Bryzgalov, Ilya G PHI 32 2011 2020 9 $5,666,667 (.896 sv pct)
7. Kiprusoff, Miikka G CGY 36 2008 2014 6 $5,833,333 (.873 sv pct)
12. DiPietro, Rick G NYI 31 2006 2021 15 $4,500,000 (.855 sv pct)

As you can see by this Carey is having a decent year. We all want him to win every game and stop every puck, but its not gonna happen. Out of the top paid goalies in the league, he's performing above average. Remember that most goalies don't starting hitting their peak until their mid 20's such as Lundqvist and Rinne. Even Schneider is already 27 and will get a nice raise in 2 years if he can prove that he can be a #1 goalie and play 60-70 games a year.

Those who say Budaj could do the job have no clue. Look at Budaj's career numbers and get back to me. He's great as a back up and can probably fill in for Carey if anything happens for a few games, but some people seem to have short memories regarding last year

Lets all back Carey Price as he's our goalie of the present and the future. We know he can take his game to another level, so let's hope he brings it for the playoffs because we need him!

You can't really base yourself on stats to say a goalie does a better job.. Rinne is by far the best goalie in the league this year(and last too..) and has mediocre stats.
You put Price and Hiller on a same level, he's basically a back up now. I wouldnt even trade Budes for him if they had the same salary. Anyway, you bring a good conclusion, just not great arguments.

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04-10-2013, 01:52 PM
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Not sure where you get anybody on here calling for Price to be moved.

Saying a guy gave up a bad goal or had a bad game is stating a fact not hating a player. Some people on here are haters...some Desharnais, other it was Subban until this year, others Plekanec or Gionta...however if there are any Price haters they are few and far in between.

I think he is a top 10-15 NHL goalie...BUT I think he acn be better, he has another level or even two that he can reach...next one being a top 5 guy year in year out...and the one above that is hall of fame/superstar Brodeur/Roy/Thomas/Hasek type playoff goaltending to win a champonship.
I never said anyone said to move Price. I said that while evryone is complaining about how Price is letting in "bad" goals and costing us games, not winning us games etc. that it would be interesting to see if they'd also like to say if there's another goalie they think would do any better.

I personally think he's the guy we need and like EVER goalie who has ever played, he's not infalable and can let in a goal or two sometime. Some may even be bad goals which again, happens to EVERY goalie. I just wanted to know how other people saw it. So far, it looks like we all agree that Price is a boss.

Btw, as per your "he's a top 10-15 NHL goalie" I'd love to hear who the 9-14 better goalies that you think are better than Price. Do tell.

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I'm good with Price, he's as solid as they come. Goalies tend to come into their prime later than skaters do. He's 25 and is just coming into his prime now.

I'm confident in the guy and that won't change if we have a first round exit.
Pretty much bang on. People forget when they criticize the guy that he is a 6 year NHL veteran now who has had to spend his developmental years not playing in the AHL or Europe or Junior somewhere. He did it playing in the toughest market for a goaltender to play on the entire planet. He had to grow up before our eyes and because of that we have been spoiled with early flashes of his potential.

Consistency is usually the biggest problem that young players face, and these days Price is generally regarded as one of the most consistent goalies in the entire league. His time is coming and he will reward the team and fans patience with him.

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You can't really base yourself on stats to say a goalie does a better job.. Rinne is by far the best goalie in the league this year(and last too..) and has mediocre stats.
You put Price and Hiller on a same level, he's basically a back up now. I wouldnt even trade Budes for him if they had the same salary. Anyway, you bring a good conclusion, just not great arguments.
I agree some of the time you can't base their perfromance on stats, but this year, it's a very indocator for Rinne. He has been very hot and cold this year, ask some Preds fans. I won't argue about last year, he was awesome, ....this year not so much. He was having some problems in the KHL during the lockout as well. He's been good (like Price) but not great. He's been pulled 5 times this year.

FYI, i think my arguments are great because people keep on bringing up Price's salary. When you look at the other goalies with that salary, he's doing fine. Of course, you can always just ignore salary and choose which ever goalie is playing great any given year and say "see, we could have him instead and he's only being paid 2 million"


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I agree some of the time you can't base their perfromance on stats, but this year, it's a very indocator for Rinne. He has been very hot and cold this year, ask some Preds fans. I won't argue about last year, he was awesome, ....this year not so much. He was having some problems in the KHL during the lockout as well. He's been good (like Price) but not great. He's been pulled 5 times this year.

FYI, i think my arguments are great because people keep on bringing up Price's salary. When you look at the other goalies with that salary, he's doing fine. Of course, you can always just ignore salary and choose which ever goalie is playing great any given year and say "see, we could have him instead and he's only being paid 2 million"
Their argument is about him playing up to his salary and you bring up players NOT playing up to their salary, no real correlation.

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Their argument is about him playing up to his salary and you bring up players NOT playing up to their salary, no real correlation.
How are we to define what the requirements are for playing up to ones salary? Performance compared to their peers?

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How are we to define what the requirements are for playing up to ones salary? Performance compared to their peers?
Actually playing up to the salary. It's clear that some of these goaltenders(Price isnt one of them..) are not playing up to their salary, yet their being compared to him...

Anyway this thread is about Price and Price is awesome and the anti-price gang should go back to watch Halakoupe being a backup to a rookie.

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Actually playing up to the salary. It's clear that some of these goaltenders(Price isnt one of them..) are not playing up to their salary, yet their being compared to him...

Anyway this thread is about Price and Price is awesome and the anti-price gang should go back to watch Halakoupe being a backup to a rookie.
But that's just it, how do you define playing up to you salary? If most goaltenders in Price's salary range are playing at his level, is that saying they're all underperforming?

Anyways, it was more to compare him to some of the elite goaltenders in the game that are actually in that list such as

Lundqvist
Rinne
Lehtonen
Luongo
Backstrom
Miller
Ward
Quick

Compared to these goalies, Price is having a decent year. Kind of middle of the pack. This year there are a few goalies that have had the chance to establish themselves as great goalies such as:

Rask
Crawford
Schneider
Anderson (he's been good for a while, but never really got any recognition)
Bobrovsky

Anyways, as mentionned its been a little bi of a weird year, but Price still has the chance to bring it to the next level.

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Hockey is 1) a team game, and 2) a game of bounces/inches

Montreal fans are usually way too introspective and barely acknowledge the opposition, sometimes other teams' play does matter. They'll blame Price when a perfect laser beam wrister gets past price perfectly into corner, but will only praise the shooter if it's Ryder or Pacioretty doing the same to some other team.

Sometimes also the luck/inches are the factor, it's very hard to score goals in the NHL, and sometimes you need lucky breaks like good bounces. You're not gonna get these every night, while the opposition will.

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...the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

Alex Henry. What. a. Legend.

I am Legend.

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When your username and all your posts are about how Price sucks, you're the one making it personal.
Of course... It's my team....duh

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If the Habs can score 3.5 goals a game the sky is the limit. If under 3 a first round exit.

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...the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

Alex Henry. What. a. Legend.

I am Legend.
I don't think he plays goal though.

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I don't think he plays goal though.
Each game a shutout, each game a hat trick of Gordie Howe hat tricks......and still some would complain that Sir St-Alex wasnt trying enough.

And he is the only player on the ice for us....multi dimentional play explains the assist on his own goal

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I can't help looking at his playoff record and worry but I love Price and I wouldn't want anyone else in nets
Me neither, its not like we have any real options left. Its carey price or bust, is he tanks the team goes down with him. if he goes red hot the team goes far with him. I'm okay with either.

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Anyone remember the days of Jeff Hackett, Pat Jablonski, Jocelyn Thibault, Stephane Fiset, or any of those other useless goalies ?

Cause if you did you'd be thankful for the goaltending we have now.

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Hockey is 1) a team game, and 2) a game of bounces/inches

Montreal fans are usually way too introspective and barely acknowledge the opposition, sometimes other teams' play does matter. They'll blame Price when a perfect laser beam wrister gets past price perfectly into corner, but will only praise the shooter if it's Ryder or Pacioretty doing the same to some other team.

Sometimes also the luck/inches are the factor, it's very hard to score goals in the NHL, and sometimes you need lucky breaks like good bounces. You're not gonna get these every night, while the opposition will.
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Anyone remember the days of Jeff Hackett, Pat Jablonski, Jocelyn Thibault, Stephane Fiset, or any of those other useless goalies ?

Cause if you did you'd be thankful for the goaltending we have now.
I wouldn't put Hackett in that group, he was much better than those plugs.

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Price? Have you watched the teams, coaches, GMs, and/or NHL since his draft? I have, and am here to tell you this kid earned my respect as a fan. Me? I would have left you, and me (if that makes sense) as a player LONG ago. He did NOT. Have you looked at his stats as the age of 25? Good stuff!

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I wouldn't put Hackett in that group, he was much better than those plugs.
Still pretty subpar, you get the point. People hating on Bergevin/Price don't remember the good day's

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Recently he hasn't been bad, he's just played like an ordinary starting goaltender. If he looks bad its because we've come to expect the extraordinary out of him.

Which is what you get from Price, on his down swings he's an ordinary starter and on his upswings he's unbeatable. He averages to significantly better than average.

This is normal, goaltending is volatile.

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Close this thread. This Price talk is stupid. We're second place FFS.

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Oh another Price thread, isn't there one already? I don't really see the point of this thread considering that the OP asks a question without answer. It's not like we get to pick someone else in any realistic way. And certainly not for this season.

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No goalie is worth 6,5M$ LOL .

Goalie are overated and this is coming from one of te best GM in the league ( Ken Holland)

Thing is the difference between lets say 4th best goalie and the 17th best goalie is minimal

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