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12-27-2003, 10:52 AM
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"Bigger, Stronger, Faster" - Better ?

This seems to be Lowe's mantra. He stated it at last year's trade deadline. Do you believe in his philosophy? Do you think it's correct?

I really don't think you can trade 2 of your 1st line forwards (Comrie, Carter), your number 1 or 2 defenseman (Niinimaa) and get rid of your best defensive forward (Marchant ... for nothing) and expect to get better.

Cross, Isbister, Torres, Dvorak they're bigger than Niinimaa, Pisa, Carter and Marchant but skillwise are they better?

As Don Cherry says, "it's not the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog."

I find it interesting how size is so focused on when you talk about hockey now. A quote from GuyF:

"we didn't need little forwards like lombardi and Parise because we already have smaillish ones in Horcoff, Reasoner, and York. Not to mention that at those times we still had Comrie."

This was in response to my questioning of the Oilers not drafting Zach Parise who is 5'11, 185 lbs. (No offence intended to GuyF - just trying to show that size has become somewhat distorted now.)

Yzerman is 5'10, 180 lbs. Is he small?

Lombardi is 5'11, 200 lbs. Is he small?

My first thought when I think about Darcy Tucker isn't his size ( he's 5'10, 182 lbs.) but would the Oilers ever get a player like him? Or is he too small?

Supposedly rumour was the Oilers could have got Tucker and Ric Jackman for Niinimaa at last year's trade deadline.

Instead we got Isbister and Torres. Lots of size there and a definite potential agitator in Torres BUT who's better? Did we really need big wingers / forwards for a very solid defenseman or do we still need an agitator?

How big was Esa Tikkanen when he played here? How big is Mike Peca?

Have the Oilers become too focused on size and not skill?

What do you think?

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12-27-2003, 11:23 AM
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Size vs talent, well of course one would take talent over size but why not have talent and size? i think when the Oilers are drafting they're not passing up on players simply because of their size. They're measuring, the potenitals of these draft picks. eg. Player X is 7 in talent, 5 in size... Player Y is a 6 in talent, 7 in size would you not pick Player X with a second rounder to boot? The Oilers scouts have reasons why they rate players the way they do and they're constantly weighing in size and talent among other player characteristics as well. It was apparent that the Oilers were out muscled in the playoffs in prior experiences and it was time the Oil picked up some size, so they opted for players with alittle more size, but must have talent. If the world was perfect and a team can draft just rely on talent alone, and every "small type" of players has the herat/ strangth to out muscle larger players then every team would look for a Stevie Y or a Joe Sakic type of players every draft
but the fact is these players are very rare. That's why Comrie was such an asset to the Oilers. That's why York is an asset to the Oilers.

In regards about GuyF's comment; I think his intent was to point out that if Lombardi was an Oiler, even with his offensive skills who would you rather have on the ice: Dvorak(Carter), York, and at the time Comrie. lowe felt he had players who could fullfill Lombardi's role on the current club and opted not to sign him.

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another factor now that you mention Stevie Y and Joe Sakic, they are very dangerous players and they both have fight, desire and determination.

im sure if push came to shove on BPA and he was small but a unmissable prospect the Oilers would go for it like Gorilla said.

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12-28-2003, 10:34 AM
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Its all about balance.

Yeah, small players can play and be very effective BUT if you have too many small players, you have a problem.

A year ago, York and Comrie looked like long-term, significant contributors for us. Hence, the team needed to counter-balance that with some bigger players.

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Originally Posted by Laraque27
Its all about balance.

Yeah, small players can play and be very effective BUT if you have too many small players, you have a problem.

A year ago, York and Comrie looked like long-term, significant contributors for us. Hence, the team needed to counter-balance that with some bigger players.
Hence the larger players drafted this year rather then a smaller...say cory locke or zach parise. Lowe felt the organization had the two smaller talented players in York and Comrie. Then Comrie decided he didn't want to play in Edmonton.

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