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04-11-2013, 01:13 PM
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Personally I'd do the 31st(30th because of forfeited NJD pick) for Martin.
I think that might be accepted by Shero if offered, maybe you can let Sherman know

Also I know next year's draft is in Jersey and they will want to pick but if the Devils keep falling like this will they really want to give up this year's pick a possible top 10?


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i'd rather lose orpik for nothing (amnesty) than give up martin for anything.

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I think that might be accepted by Shero if offered, maybe you can let Sherman know

Also I know next year's draft is in Jersey and they will want to pick but if the Devils keep falling like this will they really want to give up this year's pick a possible top 10?
This year's draft is in Jersey. Next year's is in Philadelphia. There's no way the Devils forfeit this year's pick...they made a huge mistake by keeping last year's.

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This year's draft is in Jersey. Next year's is in Philadelphia. There's no way the Devils forfeit this year's pick...they made a huge mistake by keeping last year's.
Got the cities wrong, I thought it was in Philly this year.

Agreed but they still got a pretty good player in Matteau which might not turn out to be that bad of a decision, they got lucky. No doubt about this year

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i'd rather lose orpik for nothing (amnesty) than give up martin for anything.
I don't think Shero sees it the same way though, Martin has 2 years left at a cap of 5 million and Orpik is a UFA after next season which is huge cause then Geno and Letang's new contracts will kick in. Next year we can trade Orpik at the deadline similar to what the Sharks did this year even if were on top of the conference.

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If stewart makes it to free agenct would you rather have him or iginla?(For now i want to wait and see what iggy can do with crosby)

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If stewart makes it to free agenct would you rather have him or iginla?(For now i want to wait and see what iggy can do with crosby)
he's an RFA. St. Louis will have the ability to match any offer-sheet.

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he's an RFA. St. Louis will have the ability to match any offer-sheet.
Oh okay, never mind then.

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Wow, I just made line-up that you can keep Iginla, Murray, and Morrow. Not that unrealistic. You would have to scramble the following year with Letang and Geno, so I suppose it is a little short sighted.

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Kennedy won't be qualified, imo. You can say there's some chance he's still tradeable but I really don't see the Pens taking the risk of qualify him and getting stuck with him at 2 million next year.

I do think Glass will be gone. The Pens are going to have to go dirt cheap on the 4th line until the cap goes back up. 1.1 million 4th liners are a luxury they just can't afford, especially when they're as underwhelming as Glass is.
I agree Kennedy will not be qualified, because we are too close to the cap to justify qualifying him at that price or to be able to afford that salary into our structure, even though he could be a serviceable bottom-6 forward.

However, I do believe that there are more than a handful of teams who would love to take Tyler Kennedy's rights and qualify him at $2million, and then try to sign him to a longer term contract. On a lot of other teams, especially ones far below the cap (or even below the floor), Tyler Kennedy is a good player, character guy who is likeable in the dressing room and has playoff experience.

The only question is what each of those teams would be willing to give up for him: is a 2nd? a 3rd? a 4th? a younger prospect? But whatever it is, we should take the best offer available to us, because we will not be able to retain this player.

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04-12-2013, 01:58 AM
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* Pascal Dupuis signed as free agent for $3,000,000.
* Jarome Iginla signed as free agent for $4,500,000.
* Tanner Glass bought out.
* Brooks Orpik bought out.
* Craig Adams signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Robert Bortuzzo signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Steve Pinizzotto signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Mark Eaton signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Matt Hendricks signed as free agent for $925,000.
* Tim Kennedy signed as free agent for $750,000.


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James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($4.500m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.925m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Steve Pinizzotto ($0.750m)
Tim Kennedy ($0.750m) / Craig Adams ($0.750m) /
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Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Mark Eaton ($0.850m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Robert Bortuzzo ($0.850m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /
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Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
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Buyout: Tanner Glass ($0.000m)
Buyout: Brooks Orpik ($0.000m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,323,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $976,667

RIP our depth next year...

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04-12-2013, 02:31 AM
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TK and Glass should be out. Not sure about others, but they really need to make an effort to try to keep Iggy and Jokinen, if they can get the numbers to work.

Malkin really needs to step up in the playoffs or take a cut or something.. I really want him to be a Penguin for life, but, it seems one year he's hot, next year he's cold as ice. It's hard to justify paying him the same as Sid for that kind of on again, off again issue.

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04-12-2013, 08:02 AM
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* Pascal Dupuis signed as free agent for $3,000,000.
* Jarome Iginla signed as free agent for $4,500,000.
* Tanner Glass bought out.
* Brooks Orpik bought out.
* Craig Adams signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Robert Bortuzzo signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Steve Pinizzotto signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Mark Eaton signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Matt Hendricks signed as free agent for $925,000.
* Tim Kennedy signed as free agent for $750,000.


CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
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FORWARDS
James Neal ($5.000m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Jarome Iginla ($4.500m)
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.000m)
Jussi Jokinen ($2.100m) / Brandon Sutter ($2.067m) / Beau Bennett ($0.900m)
Matt Hendricks ($0.925m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Steve Pinizzotto ($0.750m)
Tim Kennedy ($0.750m) / Craig Adams ($0.750m) /
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Paul Martin ($5.000m) / Mark Eaton ($0.850m)
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Matt Niskanen ($2.300m)
Simon Despres ($0.840m) / Robert Bortuzzo ($0.850m)
Deryk Engelland ($0.567m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Tomas Vokoun ($2.000m)
OTHER
Buyout: Tanner Glass ($0.000m)
Buyout: Brooks Orpik ($0.000m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,323,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $976,667

RIP our depth next year...
We would not need to buy out Glass or Orpik. Either could be dealt, and Orpik could net a nice return.

Just look at the yields for grit and declining vets at the deadline this year. We could very well acquire some cheap, quality depth via trade.

And I don't want Eaton next year, stable as he's been. He's slow enough this season, and we have guys banging on the door.

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We would not need to buy out Glass or Orpik. Either could be dealt, and Orpik could net a nice return.

Just look at the yields for grit and declining vets at the deadline this year. We could very well acquire some cheap, quality depth via trade.

And I don't want Eaton next year, stable as he's been. He's slow enough this season, and we have guys banging on the door.
I would be shocked if we moved Orpik. I know it would help with cap space, but I truly just don't see it happening. I don't feel he's been as bad as others think, and I also think after this deal expires he'll come back on the cheap. He is no longer a top minute/pairing guy (like he's being played), but he still could be a useful 4-6 dman.

Maybe the Pens try to extend him next year to see if he'll come cheap, and if not they deal him, but I don't see him being dealt without checking next contract first.

I also don't know about Martin. I would say he'd be most likely to be moved. He makes a little more, has an extra year on his contract, and with his play could net a higher return. Having said that, I don't know if they move him after giving him the chance to stay and improve his game and he does it.

I agree about Eaton. Would rather see a younger guy get a shot, then bring in a vet like him next deadline for the playoffs.

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If Orpik gets moved, it's this offseason or not at all. Shero respects him too much to discard him mid-season next year, and it's something that could shake up the room in a negative way.

It'll be interesting to see what Iggy, Morrow and Dupuis want as far as hit/term.

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Wow, I just made line-up that you can keep Iginla, Murray, and Morrow. Not that unrealistic. You would have to scramble the following year with Letang and Geno, so I suppose it is a little short sighted.

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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Pascal Dupuis ($2.500m)
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Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Simon Despres ($0.840m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,913,333; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $386,667
The numbers work, but I'm not spending 9.5M to put Iggy and Neal in superfluous roles on a line with Malkin.

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TK and Glass should be out. Not sure about others, but they really need to make an effort to try to keep Iggy and Jokinen, if they can get the numbers to work.

Malkin really needs to step up in the playoffs or take a cut or something.. I really want him to be a Penguin for life, but, it seems one year he's hot, next year he's cold as ice. It's hard to justify paying him the same as Sid for that kind of on again, off again issue.
TK will be traded. Glass, however, will stay as they let Cooke walk.

Malkin will get whatever he wants from Ray Shero or he won't be a Penguin after this season at the earliest and next season at the latest.

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If Orpik gets moved, it's this offseason or not at all. Shero respects him too much to discard him mid-season next year, and it's something that could shake up the room in a negative way.

It'll be interesting to see what Iggy, Morrow and Dupuis want as far as hit/term.
No doubt about this one. Orpik won't be traded mid-season.


Orpik and Glass would not need to be bought out. Glass is on a reasonable deal next year and would likely catch a late rounder if shopped...there's always more teams looking for 4th line depth in the off-season than there is actual 4th line depth available. Orpik still has a good amount of trade value, there's no way you buy out a guy who can receive an asset in return.

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No doubt about this one. Orpik won't be traded mid-season.


Orpik and Glass would not need to be bought out. Glass is on a reasonable deal next year and would likely catch a late rounder if shopped...there's always more teams looking for 4th line depth in the off-season than there is actual 4th line depth available. Orpik still has a good amount of trade value, there's no way you buy out a guy who can receive an asset in return.
1.1m when the cap is 64m is not a solid deal for a 4th liner with no hockey skills.

and yeah, orpik will def be traded this offseason. what kind of return can we expect?

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* Pascal Dupuis signed as free agent for $3,000,000.
* Jarome Iginla signed as free agent for $4,500,000.
* Tanner Glass bought out.
* Brooks Orpik bought out.
* Craig Adams signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Robert Bortuzzo signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Steve Pinizzotto signed as free agent for $750,000.
* Mark Eaton signed as free agent for $850,000.
* Matt Hendricks signed as free agent for $925,000.
* Tim Kennedy signed as free agent for $750,000.
Doesn't happen. Shero will not buy out Glass at 1.1m, then sign Hendricks at 925k. It just doesn't make any sense. Glass will cost 726k to buy out. Plus, he hasn't been as bad as all of you guys have made out.

Orpik will NOT be bought out. He's played pretty well, has a unique skill set and is on a good/great contract. If Shero doesn't see a place for him in the lineup going forward, he'll have no issues trading him. With the rookies we have pushing for icetime, I can't see Eaton retained... unless Orpik gets moved and doesn't bring back an NHL D.

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If Orpik gets moved, it's this offseason or not at all. Shero respects him too much to discard him mid-season next year, and it's something that could shake up the room in a negative way.

It'll be interesting to see what Iggy, Morrow and Dupuis want as far as hit/term.
Agreed. I don't see Morrow sticking around next year - unless it's dirt cheap (under 2m). Even then I'm not sure there's room for him if we manage to re-sign Iggy and Dupuis.

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Doesn't happen. Shero will not buy out Glass at 1.1m, then sign Hendricks at 925k. It just doesn't make any sense. Glass will cost 726k to buy out. Plus, he hasn't been as bad as all of you guys have made out.

Orpik will NOT be bought out. He's played pretty well, has a unique skill set and is on a good/great contract. If Shero doesn't see a place for him in the lineup going forward, he'll have no issues trading him. With the rookies we have pushing for icetime, I can't see Eaton retained... unless Orpik gets moved and doesn't bring back an NHL D.
amnesty buyouts pal.

200k saved is a lot.

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i wonder what an Orpik + TK package could return from Winnipeg? two of their biggest needs appear to be a top 4 defender and RW depth.

i think they'll move on from Hainsey, so acquiring Orpik would let them roll with:

Enström - Byfuglien
Orpik - Bogosian

that would obviate the need to rush Trouba, as he could play on the bottom-pairing.

right now, Wellwood is the second-line RW and Santorelli is the third-line RW. TFK could help them out there.

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i wonder what an Orpik + TK package could return from Winnipeg? two of their biggest needs appear to be a top 4 defender and RW depth.

i think they'll move on from Hainsey, so acquiring Orpik would let them roll with:

Enström - Byfuglien
Orpik - Bogosian

that would obviate the need to rush Trouba, as he could play on the bottom-pairing.

right now, Wellwood is the second-line RW and Santorelli is the third-line RW. TFK could help them out there.
I might be in the minority, but I think TK has some value around the league.

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I might be in the minority, but I think TK has some value around the league.
he might have value, but at the draft all GMs will be well aware of our cap issues.
A package like that wont get as much as we think.

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amnesty buyouts pal.

200k saved is a lot.
But that's 200k in cap space, not salary - pal. While Burkle has deep pockets, don't think that 750k just for that player not to play in your lineup, and then only to replace that player for someone who's only 125-200k cheaper makes ANY sense. If they're that worried about saving 125-200k in cap space, there's other places to skimp. While Glass hasn't been great... he hasn't been that bad either.

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A package like that wont get as much as we think.
Agreed. If we're lucky to get as much as a 3rd or a 4th for him (him alone), we should consider ourselves lucky. Its possible that we can package him with someone for something else... But basically while TK has value and is an NHL player, he doesn't have a ton of value in the sense that we can gain assets for him.

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