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04-10-2013, 01:00 PM
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If the sens miss playoffs it'll be because of this one trade.

It's not that Lehner isn't NHL ready but the notion that when it came to wins Bishop had more to show than Lehner
Yes, we'll just ignore that Bishop would be sitting on the bench because of Andersson's return. Bishop or not the results would be the same.

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04-10-2013, 01:03 PM
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Yes, we'll just ignore that Bishop would be sitting on the bench because of Andersson's return. Bishop or not the results would be the same.
Yeah, team chemistry has nothing to do with winning at all... Ur right

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Bishop really helped the team on the first game of the losing streak.

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04-10-2013, 01:20 PM
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Yeah, team chemistry has nothing to do with winning at all... Ur right
How was the team's chemistry before Bishop got here?

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04-10-2013, 01:24 PM
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If the sens miss playoffs it'll be because of this one trade.

It's not that Lehner isn't NHL ready but the notion that when it came to wins Bishop had more to show than Lehner
Gosh, it really seems that some people just don't have the ability to think.

Bishop and Lehner are/were just backups. Ever heard of Craig Anderson?

Ben Bishop has such an incredible "win notion" that he is 17-15-3 in his NHL career

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04-10-2013, 09:44 PM
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Once Conacher gets a few more games under his belt and we get some of our high end bodies back.. we are going to notice how effective he is.

Awesome move by Murray.

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04-10-2013, 10:21 PM
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Bishop inside the division now, and with that offense in front of him. Going to be years of pain for Ottawa and everyone else in the division.

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04-10-2013, 10:23 PM
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I feel its far to early to answer the OP's question

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04-11-2013, 12:34 AM
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Too early but my initial reaction was that I did not like the deal at all....

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04-11-2013, 12:36 AM
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Short term no long term yes

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04-11-2013, 12:47 AM
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Hell yeah. Not a chance we get a top line forward for anything close to just Bishop. I was always a Lehner guy, so loved the deal.

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04-11-2013, 01:42 AM
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If you boil it down to:

Ottawa's 2013 2nd rounder
for
Cory Conacher
Tampa's 2013 4th rounder


... you can't call that anything other than a fantastic trade.

I mean, it's never that black-and-white, and hindsight will be the ultimate judge here, but on the surface at the moment it's hard not to like this deal.

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04-11-2013, 01:47 AM
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Ottawa's 2013 2nd rounder
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Cory Conacher
Tampa's 2013 4th rounder
+Bishop serving as stop gap until Lehner
Fixed. That Bishop even got a return back is a bonus.

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04-11-2013, 02:03 AM
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Fixed. That Bishop even got a return back is a bonus.
Yep.

I was trying to keep it as simple as I could and just list the condensed raw assets involved, but you are correct: if we're also counting "time served", it only adds to the value of the deal.

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04-11-2013, 03:54 AM
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I change my view, seeing as Bish beat us...

We lose.

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04-11-2013, 09:08 AM
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Im not gonna vote one way or another.

As I have said all year, I didnt see the need to move Bishop this year. I see no harm in Lehner being in the AHL another year, and dont personally think it will be good for him to sit on the bench all year next year. Despite his good numbers, Lehner hasnt been winning games...often losing them on a softie or late goal. At this point I still dont believe its clear who will be the better goalie, and I felt and still feel like we will have a much better idea after another season. Goalies are so unpredictable, for the life of me I cant figure out why everyone was so quick to want a great one out of the organization.

Conacher has been impressive so far. Its more than I thought we could have gotten for Bishop this year, and I think he will be a big part of our top 6 in years to come.

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04-11-2013, 09:29 AM
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If you boil it down to:

Ottawa's 2013 2nd rounder
for
Cory Conacher
Tampa's 2013 4th rounder


... you can't call that anything other than a fantastic trade.

I mean, it's never that black-and-white, and hindsight will be the ultimate judge here, but on the surface at the moment it's hard not to like this deal.
Bottom line is, some rock solid asset management.

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I see no harm in Lehner being in the AHL another year, and dont personally think it will be good for him to sit on the bench all year next year.
How do you see him sitting on the bench all year? He'll get his games in. I don't understand this at all, it's clear from Lehner's comments after he had no intention of going back to the AHL. Keeping him there another year would have only caused major headaches and problems and a rift between Lehner and the team.

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Goalies are so unpredictable, for the life of me I cant figure out why everyone was so quick to want a great one out of the organization.
Because this 'great' goalie was the third best on our roster. It's simple really. When Anderson became healthy again, it was either hurt one of your two goalies (Bishop or Lehner) or get what you can for one before it gets to that point.


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04-11-2013, 10:32 AM
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People not liking the deal don't like Lehner I suppose? Because it's clear that the Sens were going to trade Bishop and not Lehner

Murray traded him when he thought he was at his highest value, a bit like he did with Rundblad and Foligno

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Yep.

I was trying to keep it as simple as I could and just list the condensed raw assets involved, but you are correct: if we're also counting "time served", it only adds to the value of the deal.
And that's why I always defended the Campoli deal. When you put hindsight and pure asset management in the equation, you see the big picture.

2009/02/20 - New York Islanders traded Mike Comrie and Chris Campoli to the Ottawa Senators for Dean McAmmond and a first-round draft pick in 2009 (26th overall)

2011/02/28 - Ottawa Senators traded Chris Campoli and a conditional 7th round selection in 2012 to the Chicago Blackhawks for Ryan Potulny and a 2nd round selection in 2011 (48th overall).

Campoli with Ottawa : 150 GP, 12 Goals, 33 assists, 45 points, -2 (average of 25 pts per 82 games)

All that on pretty cheap contracts (633 333$ the first 1.5 years and 1 400 000$ the last year) when we needed cap space

The final cost was the difference between a 48th overall and a 26th overall pick. As bonuses, we had a few months of Mike Comrie and a year of Ryan Potulny with the organization (minus McAmmond)... Potulny was key for the Calder Cup win with Bingo too (26 pts in 23 games).

Not saying it was a fantastic deal but never as bad as painted on this knee-jerk reactionary board. Took a lot of heat for that lol but sometimes you just know when you are right, when you have objectivity to back you up.


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04-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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Not talked about is that having 3 goalies like this is a corrosive time bomb. They got along great and things were working as well as can be hoped, particuarly when Anderson was injured.

But, that would not hold over the long term. Better to trade now than when you have "to fix" a situation or Lehner's agent starts tweeting "Free Lehner".

I think both Tampa and Ottawa should be happy with the trade so far. It's a straight up hockey trade were both teams gave up assets in areas they had depth in to address shortcomings.

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04-11-2013, 11:06 AM
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Conacher was an interesting prospect before he started playing with the boy guns in Tampa. His numbers are inflated a little bit obviously but he is still a good offensive prospect who is ready to contribute. Bishop needed to be moved since the team believes Lehner is the guy. I think Conacher is more valuable than a 2nd rounder or even a very late 1st.

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04-11-2013, 06:10 PM
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Looking back the best thing would have been to keep Lehner in The A until Bishop was dealt. Lehner doesn't look nearly as good as when he got called up and now is when we need good play out of him. Starting down in Bingo for a little longer would have kept him on his game.

Bishop also kept Lehner on his toes because it was healthy competition.

This season I thought Bishop gave us the best chance to win and the team was just giving Lehner starts to keep him happy. If Anderson didn't get hurt Lehner would have stayed in the A right until the trade deadline or even the off season.

If Conacher was 6'2 with the same stats would tampa have still made that trade? I don't think so.

He looks good and I hope he is a self starter but I think his contributions may be limited.

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04-11-2013, 08:53 PM
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Bishop given up 5 so far tonight

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Typical five hole goal tonight by Malkin tonight.

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04-11-2013, 09:06 PM
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Bishop given up 5 so far tonight
Are they playing Calgary tonight?

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Are they playing Calgary tonight?
Pittsburgh.

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