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04-11-2013, 04:25 PM
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Most people get worked up over Boyle's penalties because of their timing, not so much for the amount of penalties he takes.
There's always a narrative to explain why everything Boyle does is so much worse than everyone else. It normally, conveniently, can't be quantified.

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Most people get worked up over Boyle's penalties because of their timing, not so much for the amount of penalties he takes. In some games it takes the Rangers quite a while to get going. I remember a couple times where they finally get some momentum and Boyle took a stupid penalty.

For the record, I have no problem with Boyle. He has been better lately and does pretty much exactly what he ask of him. If he chipped in more offensively it would just be a bonus. I just wanted to give my input on the whole penalty situation.
so basically the Kings picked him in the first round in 2003 to be a 4th liner if he was average size, he would still be in the AHL

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There's always a narrative to explain why everything Boyle does is so much worse than everyone else. It normally, conveniently, can't be quantified.
Exactly.

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so basically the Kings picked him in the first round in 2003 to be a 4th liner
Since the Kings later traded him for a 3rd round pick, I think it's safe to assume they didn't make out great on the Boyle.

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if he was average size, he would still be in the AHL
And if he had wheels, he'd be a bus. If he had the best shot in the league, he'd be a first liner. If he was a better cook, he'd be a guest on Rachel Ray.

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so basically the Kings picked him in the first round in 2003 to be a 4th liner if he was average size, he would still be in the AHL
using a first rounder on him was a mistake, by the kings. sather trading a 3rd for him was not, viewing him as our 09 3rd rounder im pleased with the return.

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Most people that are down on Boyle are not anti Boyle. They just do not like that our Chihuahua of a coach plays a guy who should be on the 4th line 13-16 minutes a game.


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In my opinion I think if he'd get a lot less flak if he had some sort of puck control. I don't think he's a innocent victim just being shat on for no reason. But if the point of hatred is due to his lack of goal scoring then some people gotta get their head out of their ass and find something else to ***** about.

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Most people get worked up over Boyle's penalties because of their timing, not so much for the amount of penalties he takes. In some games it takes the Rangers quite a while to get going. I remember a couple times where they finally get some momentum and Boyle took a stupid penalty.

For the record, I have no problem with Boyle. He has been better lately and does pretty much exactly what he ask of him. If he chipped in more offensively it would just be a bonus. I just wanted to give my input on the whole penalty situation.
And I'm sure he's the only one who has taken a penalty at bad time.

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And if he had wheels, he'd be a bus. If he had the best shot in the league, he'd be a first liner. If he was a better cook, he'd be a guest on Rachel Ray.
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And I'm sure he's the only one who has taken a penalty at bad time.
Nash in our final game against Boston immediately comes to mind. I still kind of blame him for the B's coming back to tie it

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Most people that are done on Boyle are not anti Boyle. They just do not like that our Chihuahua of a coach plays a guy who should be on the 4th line 13-16 minutes a game.
Misplaced hatred of Boyle.

Boyle is our best faceoff man, and a great PKer. The only times I find myself not liking Boyle is when he is on the ice at crucial times. Down at the end of the 3rd and needing to tie it up. That is on Torts, not Boyle.

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Misplaced hatred of Boyle.

Boyle is our best faceoff man, and a great PKer. The only times I find myself not liking Boyle is when he is on the ice at crucial times. Down at the end of the 3rd and needing to tie it up. That is on Torts, not Boyle.
The example you gave is perfect. That is what I was pointing to in my post. Just like Knicks fans did not really hate Jared Jeffries. They just hated that Mike D'Antoni was so stubborn and would play him ridiculous minutes and in ridiculous situations.

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Since the Kings later traded him for a 3rd round pick, I think it's safe to assume they didn't make out great on the Boyle.


And if he had wheels, he'd be a bus. If he had the best shot in the league, he'd be a first liner. If he was a better cook, he'd be a guest on Rachel Ray.
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Who would you guys rather have on the PP than Boyle?

When Torts puts two d-men on the points while defending a lead in the 3rd, he takes Boyle off, so it's not like he's his go-to guy.

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Who would you guys rather have on the PP than Boyle?

When Torts puts two d-men on the points while defending a lead in the 3rd, he takes Boyle off, so it's not like he's his go-to guy.
For right now I am fine with Boyle on the PP, so long as it stays clicking.

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Most people that are down on Boyle are not anti Boyle. They just do not like that our Chihuahua of a coach plays a guy who should be on the 4th line 13-16 minutes a game.
It is this. And if Torts is staying I'd prefer Boyle off the team so he doesn't get played in that role. If he was played in the correct role i'd have no issue with his game.

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It is this. And if Torts is staying I'd prefer Boyle off the team so he doesn't get played in that role. If he was played in the correct role i'd have no issue with his game.
Let me get this straight. You'd prefer to be without our top PKer and one of our better faceoff guys because of the fact that he is trusted late in games? Really? So we should just make our team suck more so you don't have to see the guy on the ice?

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It is this. And if Torts is staying I'd prefer Boyle off the team so he doesn't get played in that role. If he was played in the correct role i'd have no issue with his game.
At this current time, Brian Boyle is a better option than Chris Kreider or JT Miller.

Would you prefer he create another top 9 forward? POOF!

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Who would you guys rather have on the PP than Boyle?

When Torts puts two d-men on the points while defending a lead in the 3rd, he takes Boyle off, so it's not like he's his go-to guy.
Dude, it's easier to list the players I'd rather NOT have on the PP over Boyle.

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First unit of my choice would be Stepan, Nash, MZA, Clowe, McD/Stralman/MDZ.

Second unit Richards, Callahan, Brassard, Hags, Girardi/MDZ/Stralman/McD/Moore.

I can think of a few more combos of that list of players I'd rather have before inserting Boyle as well.

If Boyle is a useful member of this team's PP then that's telling of how bad the rest of the team's offensive talent is on the PP, or how insistent the coach is to put him there. Right now it's probably a little of both.

On a contender (edit: or any decent team with a legit PP) Boyle is not seeing PP time.

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He leads Callahan in hits by only 5.15%.

He leads Callahan in height by 11.27%.

The "man" is a disease.
So what's your point? He's not had a very good year. His offense has more or less disappeared. He's still useful as a pk'er/face-off guy. He does throw his body around--been doing it better since he moved to the wing. He doesn't always hit particularly hard but he gets in the way more than well enough.

The team has been frustrating--his game has regressed this year. The same could be said for others. I don't particularly blame him personally for everything that has gone wrong. He still needs to pick his game up at least another notch though.

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At this current time, Brian Boyle is a better option than Chris Kreider or JT Miller.

Would you prefer he create another top 9 forward? POOF!
Well, Boyle is gigantic. Can't we just cut him in half and create another?

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I quantified plenty of things on Boyle today. His offensive production is at the bottom of the league for forwards who receive the ice time Boyle receives. That isn't debatable at this point.

Is that Boyle's fault? Nope. It's on Torts for playing him ridiculous minutes a night.

As for PP combos, I'd like to see...

Clowe - Stepan - Nash
Zuccarello - Del Zotto

Hagelin - Brassard - Callahan
Richards - Stralman

No need for Boyle on the PP

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Let me get this straight. You'd prefer to be without our top PKer and one of our better faceoff guys because of the fact that he is trusted late in games? Really? So we should just make our team suck more so you don't have to see the guy on the ice?
Let me get this straight. You'd rather play a guy with 4th line offensive abilities 15 minutes per game and $1.7M to play a role that is easily replaceable in free agency every year - that is playing the PK and being decent on face offs? I mean just look at the faceoff leaders there are plenty of 4th line type players that are great on them - Gaustad (WAY overpaid), beagle, boyd gordon, smithson, belanger, handzus. It's a skill that you can easily get a player with - it's really not that big of a deal.

Penalty killing and faceoffs (less so than PK) are replaceable skillsets unlike offense which is much more expensive and harder to replace.
And no, it has nothing to do with him being trusted in late games. It has to do with him being put on lines that are supposed to generate offense - recently with clowe and brassard, previously occasionally with gaborik, callahan etc...recently extremely often on the powerplay.


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Let me get this straight. You'd rather play a guy with 4th line offensive abilities 15 minutes per game and $1.7M to play a role that is easily replaceable in free agency every year - that is playing the PK and being decent on face offs? I mean just look at the faceoff leaders there are plenty of 4th line type players that are great on them - Gaustad (WAY overpaid), beagle, boyd gordon, smithson, belanger, handzus. It's a skill that you can easily get a player with - it's really not that big of a deal.

Penalty killing and faceoffs (less so than PK) are replaceable skillsets unlike offense which is much more expensive and harder to replace.
And no, it has nothing to do with him being trusted in late games. It has to do with him being put on lines that are supposed to generate offense - recently with clowe and brassard, previously occasionally with gaborik, callahan etc...recently extremely often on the powerplay.
Really? He'd be easily replaceable? You sure about that? Find me another 6'7 gigantor like him that is serviceable enough to play 3rd line wing, cycle the puck on the PP, and be our top PKer night in night out. Find me that player for the cheap as a UFA.

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Yes...he's horrible offensively so anyone you bring in can do the same or better. He's good on faceoffs sure - so are plenty of other guys who happen to be making less. He's good on the pk sure - we already have plenty of other guys who are solid on the PK and again you can easily bring in 4th liners who can pk. Additionally the savings you gain by not paying the person to do this role 1.7M lets you spend money elsewhere to improve the team.

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