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04-11-2013, 04:59 PM
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Thanks!

Looks like % wise Gionta is doing fine in terms of getting his shots to the net.
He produces a huge number of missed shots. But that is largely a function of producing a huge number of shots in general. His goal scoring is going down from what it was, partially due to age, partially due to being just one goal scorer of 3 on his line rather than being the primary shooter on Gomez's line but his results are respectable. Not brilliant but good enough to justify his role when you factor in his defensive value.

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He's still 2nd on the team in ES points and 2nd among all rookies. I think he'd be in the Calder race if he was on a regular PP unit.
Gotta keep him hungry/keep his salary demands down

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Gotta keep him hungry/keep his salary demands down
No way he's getting a multi-year extension with those numbers! Gotta play hungrier!

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Truthfully, I never know if you're being sarcastic.
I was not there.

Your analysis odds DD getting more ice time is the same as mine from last yeat's playoffs.

Idiot media pointed out ovechkin played a minute more per game in games Washington lost, and thus Washington would be better without him.

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04-11-2013, 11:08 PM
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Oh Desharnais, Galchenyuk and Eller are knocking on your door.
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04-11-2013, 11:48 PM
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Oh Desharnais, Galchenyuk and Eller are knocking on your door.
You know how many people actually care about that?

Because I'm sure all three of those players you mentioned just care about winning games and the fact that they clinched the playoffs.

Ridiculous that you need to come chirp Desharnais after a game like this by our whole team.

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04-12-2013, 12:02 AM
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You know how many people actually care about that?

Because I'm sure all three of those players you mentioned just care about winning games and the fact that they clinched the playoffs.

Ridiculous that you need to come chirp Desharnais after a game like this by our whole team.
I care about it but not in same context. We have options and we have depth. Sounds good to me.

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04-12-2013, 12:07 AM
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You know how many people actually care about that?

Because I'm sure all three of those players you mentioned just care about winning games and the fact that they clinched the playoffs.

Ridiculous that you need to come chirp Desharnais after a game like this by our whole team.
You aint seen nothing yet. When Galchenyuk outperforms Desharnais' in the playoffs, I will have a field day and prove how ridiculous Desharnais' contract is.

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04-12-2013, 12:18 AM
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I care about it but not in same context. We have options and we have depth. Sounds good to me.
If it keeps going at this trajectory, by next year it will be like this:

First Line Center: Galchenyuk (he will be getting soft minutes at first like Desharnais)
Second Line Center: Plekanec
Third Line Center: Eller
Fourth Line Center: Halpern

Desharnais would be a healthy scratch. If he becomes a healthy scratch by next season, you have to admit that the long contract is a mistake.

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04-12-2013, 12:19 AM
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You aint seen nothing yet. When Galchenyuk outperforms Desharnais' in the playoffs, I will have a field day and prove how ridiculous Desharnais' contract is.
Repeat after me: Top 9 forward money.

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04-12-2013, 12:23 AM
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If it keeps going at this trajectory, by next year it will be like this:

First Line Center: Galchenyuk (he will be getting soft minutes at first like Desharnais)
Second Line Center: Plekanec
Third Line Center: Eller
Fourth Line Center: Halpern

Desharnais would be a healthy scratch. If he becomes a healthy scratch by next season, you have to admit that the long contract is a mistake.
I don't think he will belong in the top 9 next season and especially not in the season after that.

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04-12-2013, 12:24 AM
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If it keeps going at this trajectory, by next year it will be like this:

First Line Center: Galchenyuk (he will be getting soft minutes at first like Desharnais)
Second Line Center: Plekanec
Third Line Center: Eller
Fourth Line Center: Halpern

Desharnais would be a healthy scratch. If he becomes a healthy scratch by next season, you have to admit that the long contract is a mistake.
Why would DD be a healthy scratch?

I get what you're saying but healthy scratch is pushing it. Guy will either be at center or at wing in top 9.

DD is worth 3.5 per. IF for some reason they decide to bench him for an extended period he can be traded.

Why people consider a fair value contract a mistake I'll never understand. So what if Galchenyuk and company improve? That's BETTER for us.

When he does, we'll use DD as a trading chip if necessary. Until then, why stress? He's moveable.

I don't see it as a mistake personally because I don't think we are stuck with anyone really. When there's an issue we'll deal with it but there isn't one right now. People just like to pretend there is. I swear if we had Lemieux and Gretzky in their prime someone would be *****ing about it. Relax a bit. We have options and flexibility.

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04-12-2013, 12:26 AM
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I don't think he will belong in the top 9 next season and especially not in the season after that.
Really now? Because we have a plethora of young superstar forwards?

Gionta is UFA in 1 year, Ryder is UFA next year. That's two offensive top 9 guys potentially gone already.

Guys in the minors aren't ready yet for top 6 duty so meh. You worry too much.

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You aint seen nothing yet. When Galchenyuk outperforms Desharnais' in the playoffs, I will have a field day and prove how ridiculous Desharnais' contract is.
Good, and I'll just reply with his contract terms. 4 years, baby!

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04-12-2013, 12:54 AM
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How about putting Prust with Desharnais and Gallagher? I'd love to see what:

Ryder-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Eller-Galchenyuk
Prust-Desharnais-Gallagher
Moen-Halpern-Bourque

can do. That second line oozes potential to me.

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04-12-2013, 01:20 AM
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How about putting Prust with Desharnais and Gallagher? I'd love to see what:

Ryder-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Eller-Galchenyuk
Prust-Desharnais-Gallagher
Moen-Halpern-Bourque

can do. That second line oozes potential to me.
I love that second line! Three hardworking guys with size would be unstoppable.

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04-12-2013, 07:35 AM
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If it keeps going at this trajectory, by next year it will be like this:

First Line Center: Galchenyuk (he will be getting soft minutes at first like Desharnais)
Second Line Center: Plekanec
Third Line Center: Eller
Fourth Line Center: Halpern

Desharnais would be a healthy scratch. If he becomes a healthy scratch by next season, you have to admit that the long contract is a mistake.
4 more years!
4 more years!

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How about putting Prust with Desharnais and Gallagher? I'd love to see what:

Ryder-Plekanec-Gionta
Pacioretty-Eller-Galchenyuk
Prust-Desharnais-Gallagher
Moen-Halpern-Bourque

can do. That second line oozes potential to me.
It oozes potential.
But we'll see LOTS of dumb plays.

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04-12-2013, 07:48 AM
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It oozes potential.
But we'll see LOTS of dumb plays.
Why? By who? There's only one change from the current lineup.

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04-12-2013, 08:11 AM
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Why? By who? There's only one change from the current lineup.
C'mon... that should REALLY be obvious, as Galchenyuk doesn't specializes in dumb plays.

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C'mon... that should REALLY be obvious, as Galchenyuk doesn't specializes in dumb plays.
Huh?

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04-12-2013, 09:18 AM
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Lol Bourque on the 4th line. You guys are funny.

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DD is currently tied for 95th among all NHL forwards in points.

Last season he was tied for 55th among forwards in points.

Given that there are 30 NHL teams, DD would rank just under a top 3 point producer for the average team this season after ranking just inside a top 2 average point producer (for the average team) last season. EDIT: Forwards only-lower overall rank when d-men are included.

Pretty heady stuff for a guy who is on the verge of being a healthy scratch


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DD is currently tied for 95th among all NHL forwards in points.

Last season he was tied for 55th among forwards in points.

Given that there are 30 NHL teams, DD would rank just under a top 3 point producer for the average team this season after ranking just inside a top 2 average point producer (for the average team) last season.

Pretty heady stuff for a guy who is on the verge of being a healthy scratch
He's definitely struggled this year, but this is almost his "sophomore year." People will say that because of his age, it doesn't apply, but its still his second "full" season (if you can call it that). He has to be better, no doubt. Hopefully the playoffs will kick him into another gear.

Definitely nowhere near being a healthy scratch though (unless its a wakeup call which happens to lots of good players). He's not the only one struggling on his line either - Pacioretty is too (although he's still posting points).

The second line AHL center and healthy scratch comments go to show who really just hate Desharnais for some reason. There's lots of fans who have legit worries about him and I can respect those opinions. I can't respect someone who makes comments that ridiculous though.

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DD is currently tied for 95th among all NHL forwards in points.

Last season he was tied for 55th among forwards in points.

Given that there are 30 NHL teams, DD would rank just under an average top 3 point producer for the average team this season after ranking just inside a top 2 average point producer (for the average team) last season.

Pretty heady stuff for a guy who is on the verge of being a healthy scratch
And while we keep hearing about his average production on PP (which is more a consequence of the Subban/Markov oriented team strategy), nobody mentions that DD is still the 4th best Habs scorer on even strenght. This is for this year, what many considers an "off year". Last year, he was the 1st scorer on ES.

How many points do each center gets by every 60 minutes on even strenght?

Desharnais : 1,98
Eller : 1,97
Plekanec : 1,61

For comparison only :
Crosby : 4,05
J. Thornton : 1,77
B. Richards : 1,59

Not too bad.

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