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04-12-2013, 02:33 PM
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i dont see what girardi has done this year to earn the 30 minutes a night. he is a defensive dman who makes constant mistakes, has one of the lowest breakout pass success % in the league and he cant shoot but continues to get pp time. i also dont see why moore who has a rocket, great passer and hasnt looked bad paired with eminger wont be given more time. to me it looks like girardi looks good only when he plays with elite shutdown dmen (staal and mcd) while when he plays with dz he looks dreadful yet moore plays with eminger and as torts said looks like mcd out there

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Moore has been, imo, the best part of the Gabby trade so far. He could bulk up a little, as I have seen him get thrown around a bit...BUT he oozes potential and is very good at most other things. Really looking forward to him learning the defensive game more, because that coupled with his talent and physical abilities(what a great skater he is...amazing at times.) will be dangerous for opposing teams.
totally agree, looking more and more like the under the radar diamond in the rough throw in like mcdonagh was.

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04-12-2013, 02:55 PM
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totally agree, looking more and more like the under the radar diamond in the rough throw in like mcdonagh was.
Moore was hardly a throw in.

There are reports that Sather specifically asked for him in the package back for Gaborik. He wanted him over our own first rounder back, which is what Columbus offered us.

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04-12-2013, 03:03 PM
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Not a fan of his game. He runs around like a chicken with it's head cut off. He has nice tools, but I don't see the same smart plays that I saw from McD in his rookie callup. Sather missed the boat getting a veteran D to stabilize the 3rd pairing for the 2nd consecutive season.

There is a reason he is getting 8 mins, just like Kreider go 5-10 mins. People are memorized by size/speed and fail to take in account of pure hockey IQ. I would rather have him with the Whale, but I think he lost his 2-way eligibility I believe.

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04-12-2013, 03:05 PM
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Moore was hardly a throw in.

There are reports that Sather specifically asked for him in the package back for Gaborik. He wanted him over our own first rounder back, which is what Columbus offered us.
Where did you hear that?

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04-12-2013, 03:11 PM
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Not a fan of his game. He runs around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
So he fits in perfectly right now is what you're saying, eh? Girardi does the same thing should we send him down to the AHL? Moore just needs to bulk up, he gets knocked off the puck too easily. McD has good strength and it hasn't affected his agility. Moore will be fine with some more muscle.

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04-12-2013, 03:15 PM
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So he fits in perfectly right now is what you're saying, eh? Girardi does the same thing should we send him down to the AHL? Moore just needs to bulk up, he gets knocked off the puck too easily. McD has good strength and it hasn't affected his agility. Moore will be fine with some more muscle.
Dan Girardi has been an excellent 2-way defenseman for 7 seasons now.

Of course one bad game last night and the fanbase is on him like a pack of wolves.

The defense would be in shambles without him due to the lack of RH guys.

He is the new scapegoat. Before it was Dubinsky.

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04-12-2013, 03:23 PM
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No. Girardi hasn't been the same D-man since March of last year and it's painfully obvious.

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Dan Girardi has been an excellent 2-way defenseman for 7 seasons now.

Of course one bad game last night and the fanbase is on him like a pack of wolves.

The defense would be in shambles without him due to the lack of RH guys.

He is the new scapegoat. Before it was Dubinsky.
I love Brandon Dubinsky, you're barking up the wrong tree here. 7 years? Seriously, Kershaw? Dan Girardi was a fantastic defensemen last year. He has played at that level once. And he is not a two way defensemen, he is a defensive specialist. He has been playing horrible all year. Come on now. My point is that our defense isn't at its best right now. Maybe Girardi needs a rest. The way he plays its had to have taken a toll. You make the same arguements against Callahan being able to hold up with that playstyle.

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No. Girardi hasn't been the same D-man since March of last year and it's painfully obvious.
Still has highest CorsiRelQOC, but he is looking worse because on ice sv % is .917 this season as opposed to .923 last season at ES.

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Girardi's only had one bad game this season?

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I have a easy solution to the whole McDonagh, Moore number confusion. Its quite simple Pair the two together. Have the best skating D Pair in the league.

Have our pairs be.

Staal-Girardi
McD-Moore
MDZ-Stralman/Eminger


No Moar benching Moore.

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I love Brandon Dubinsky, you're barking up the wrong tree here. 7 years? Seriously, Kershaw? Dan Girardi was a fantastic defensemen last year. He has played at that level once. And he is not a two way defensemen, he is a defensive specialist. He has been playing horrible all year. Come on now. My point is that our defense isn't at its best right now. Maybe Girardi needs a rest. The way he plays its had to have taken a toll. You make the same arguements against Callahan being able to hold up with that playstyle.
Girardi gets the benefit of the doubt because he's been a top 4 defenseman for the majority of his career here. John Moore has played 5 games and hasn't proven **** yet.

Girardi was the team's best offensive defenseman in the playoffs last year and averages around 25 points for a defense first player. These RH top pair dmen are hard to come by.

Girardi I think will eventually break down too, like Callahan.

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Where did you hear that?
Go back and read the trade thread right after it went down. I think one of the big guns from TSN tweeted it. Could be wrong.

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04-12-2013, 03:41 PM
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Girardi gets the benefit of the doubt because he's been a top 4 defenseman for the majority of his career here. John Moore has played 5 games and hasn't proven **** yet.

Girardi was the team's best offensive defenseman in the playoffs last year and averages around 25 points for a defense first player. These RH top pair dmen are hard to come by.

Girardi I think will eventually break down too, like Callahan.
His ice time should be cut back a little. I think Torts rides him a little too much and he shouldn't be playing on the PP. Why not give Moore an opportunity there instead of Girardi? He's got a better shot, he's got a good pass and he doesn't handle the puck like a grenade. I just don't want to see Girardi fall apart in the playoffs again. You could tell him and McDonagh were spent by the Devils series.

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04-12-2013, 03:46 PM
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His ice time should be cut back a little. I think Torts rides him a little too much and he shouldn't be playing on the PP. Why not give Moore an opportunity there instead of Girardi? He's got a better shot, he's got a good pass and he doesn't handle the puck like a grenade. I just don't want to see Girardi fall apart in the playoffs again. You could tell him and McDonagh were spent by the Devils series.
You can blame management for failing to address the need of a competent RS top 4 defenseman.

I don't see why Moore should get PP time. He isn't a good offensive player. Girardi, while ineffective at times on the PP, can still make smart plays in the offensive zone. Timely deflections, bank pass off the boards, etc. On a competent PP team, he'd be a 2nd unit guy.

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04-12-2013, 03:51 PM
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His ice time should be cut back a little. I think Torts rides him a little too much and he shouldn't be playing on the PP. Why not give Moore an opportunity there instead of Girardi? He's got a better shot, he's got a good pass and he doesn't handle the puck like a grenade. I just don't want to see Girardi fall apart in the playoffs again. You could tell him and McDonagh were spent by the Devils series.
i honestly dont thing girardi's been the same since he took that shot off the ankle in montreal. maybe he should have sat a few to let it heal but who knows.

Anyways i love this kid. Great skater, good shot, great passer, has potential and is only 21 he will be logging top 4 minutes in no time.

Not all dman are as good as McD was at 21 most take time to develop

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04-12-2013, 04:17 PM
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I agree Moore should be getting more ice-time, BUT, his defensive game is not there yet to play more than say 14-16 minutes. There are plenty of times I've seen him get beat or have a delayed reaction to a play made by the opposing team....

Luckily you barely notice it so far because he has been able to make up for those mistakes with his skating. He has the wheels to double back and catch the forward or get back into position, whereas someone like Eminger or Bickel would get burned and it would look really bad. I think that's what Tortorella is worried about, and I can't really blame him when we're fighting for a playoff spot.

Those are plays that you learn with experience. McDonagh had some of the same problems when he started in the NHL. He'll be a big time contributor for us as he gets up there in games played.

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04-12-2013, 04:19 PM
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You can blame management for failing to address the need of a competent RS top 4 defenseman.

I don't see why Moore should get PP time. He isn't a good offensive player. Girardi, while ineffective at times on the PP, can still make smart plays in the offensive zone. Timely deflections, bank pass off the boards, etc. On a competent PP team, he'd be a 2nd unit guy.
girardi has no offensive talent at all i have no idea what player you are watching. moore on the other hand can skate very well, make passes and has a 100mph shot which we could desperately use

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This probably sounds ridiculous, but maybe Girardi's pp time should go to Moore

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This probably sounds ridiculous, but maybe Girardi's pp time should go to Moore
not ridiculous at all. any dman but eminger deserves girardi's pp time

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04-12-2013, 06:21 PM
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girardi has no offensive talent at all i have no idea what player you are watching. moore on the other hand can skate very well, make passes and has a 100mph shot which we could desperately use
lol?

Girardi is an average offensive player. He is obviously not going to be a PPQB, but he is very similar to a guy like Bieksa. He is only on the top PP unit because everyone else we have is not good enough on the point. He is the best option we have.

He is good defensively and good offensively, elite in neither category.






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04-12-2013, 06:24 PM
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Girardi's outproduced Moore in the OHL and in the AHL and is continuing to do so in the NHL.

Girardi's first full rookie season had him get 28 points.

John Moore has 10 points in 91 games.

I see no reason as to why Moore is a better offensive player than Girardi.

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04-12-2013, 06:29 PM
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girardi has no offensive talent only eminger is worse

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04-12-2013, 07:08 PM
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Well I talked with Kitchener Rangers fan that watched Moore in his lone season in Kitchener.

He said that Moore was the #1 defenseman there and was a big time player in the playoffs. He helped them almost upset one of the greatest CHL teams ever, 09-10 Spitfires with Henrique, Hall, Ellis, Grubauer, etc.

He also said that his offensive numbers are quite low for the skill he displayed. And that he thinks Moore should be a solid 2nd pair defenseman.

(If you're reading this thread, feel free to chime in)

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