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04-12-2013, 10:11 PM
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Wolves defense is falling apart. Giving up open chance after open chance. Score is 4 -2 for Rockford but could well be 10 to 4 without the excellent play of Climie. Really should pull Climie and let Cannata have the third. Climie has all ready faced too many shots and will probably break down in the third.

Really have one team that is organized and pressuring everywhere and the other which is increasing fragmented. Can't totally blame the coaches as there have been so many continuous changes in the line up that it's been difficult to institute a more coordinated team approach. At this point, Chicago is still trying to integrate people into their system. End up with a lot of individual efforts.

Let's face the whole relationship between Chicago and Vancouver has been a difficult one from both ends and it's a good thing it's ending.

Has been a rough game for many of the Wolves defenseman. Polasek (thanks for the spelling)and Matheson have had rough games. Polasek got beaten one on one twice in the second leading to goals.

Schroeder having less success than in the last few games. Hogs not giving him the room. He has made some good plays but not getting much support. Archibald made a couple of good rushes but he is having trouble with the speed of the game.

Blomstrand is obviously feeling his way but continues to show some serious talent.

Jensen is trying but the disorganization around him leaves him guessing as to where to go and what to do. Having Kattelus as his center doesn't help. Kattelus gives it a full go and helps on the PK. But he is simply not skilled or strong enough to facilitate any sustained offense.

Watching Olesz you wonder why he doesn't stick in the NHL. Every time I see him in the AHL he is great. Just at another level. Know he has the difficult contract but surprising he didn't get picked up off waivers

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04-12-2013, 10:12 PM
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And Cannata is in.

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04-12-2013, 10:18 PM
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5 -2. Good first save by Cannata but then Beach left alone in slot and scores

Jensen gets a high sticking penalty

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04-12-2013, 10:19 PM
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Looks like Cannata got run

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04-12-2013, 10:28 PM
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Shooting gallery - something like 56 shots against - Smith wide open in front for the sixth goal.

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04-12-2013, 10:33 PM
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Now just going thru the motions. Chicago Black Hawks have some real good prospects here - especially Pirri and Smith

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04-12-2013, 10:36 PM
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Lain with a real good turn of speed - probably best speed he has shown to date. Looked smooth on a couple of rushes.

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04-12-2013, 10:37 PM
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Now just going thru the motions. Chicago Black Hawks have some real good prospects here - especially Pirri and Smith
Pirri is definitely promising. Smith? Not sure given his age — he's already 24 (turning 25 this summer) and only 26 NHL games of experience. Might turn out to be an AHL lifer if he doesn't make the transition soon.

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04-12-2013, 10:39 PM
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Scrum and looked like Lain was looking to go with Stanton

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04-12-2013, 10:55 PM
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The Wolves might as well pad their stats with this 5 on 3.

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Telecast is as bad as the game

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04-12-2013, 11:10 PM
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Just a miserable effort. Rockford skated the Wolves into the ice. Just unbelievable defensive breakdowns all night. Polasek had his problems but some like Matheson were ludicrously bad.

Was a time when the defense anchored by Andersson and Joslin was a strong point for the team. Hardly that now.

Schroeder did not look right and had very poor third period. Missed some easy chances on the 5 on 3 both to score and set up others. Cannata also had pretty tough period. However, Rockford was given wide open chances all period.

Only encouraging thing was the flashes of good play out of Lain and Blomstrand.

Right now the season seems headed for a messy ending.

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Just a miserable effort. Rockford skated the Wolves into the ice. Just unbelievable defensive breakdowns all night. Polasek had his problems but some like Matheson were ludicrously bad.

Was a time when the defense anchored by Andersson and Joslin was a strong point for the team. Hardly that now.

Schroeder did not look right and had very poor third period. Missed some easy chances on the 5 on 3 both to score and set up others. Cannata also had pretty tough period. However, Rockford was given wide open chances all period.

Only encouraging thing was the flashes of good play out of Lain and Blomstrand.

Right now the season seems headed for a messy ending.


Question, if/when we associate our prospects with Peoria does Arniel stay with the wolves & if so do we get Peorias coach?

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04-12-2013, 11:26 PM
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Just a miserable effort. Rockford skated the Wolves into the ice. Just unbelievable defensive breakdowns all night. Polasek had his problems but some like Matheson were ludicrously bad.

Was a time when the defense anchored by Andersson and Joslin was a strong point for the team. Hardly that now.

Schroeder did not look right and had very poor third period. Missed some easy chances on the 5 on 3 both to score and set up others. Cannata also had pretty tough period. However, Rockford was given wide open chances all period.

Only encouraging thing was the flashes of good play out of Lain and Blomstrand.

Right now the season seems headed for a messy ending.
Who would you blame for the season going the way it has? I've read a lot of criticism towards Arneil, is it his fault? Or is it a combination of problems?

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04-13-2013, 12:03 AM
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incoming corrado whos ready to see him never get played me yeah :woot:

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incoming corrado whos ready to see him never get played me yeah :woot:
Might get a shot by virtue of being a right hand shot. Haven't had a good once since Tanev graduated.

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04-13-2013, 02:41 AM
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Far as the coach goes, I think the Canucks will have the absolute final decision in that. Believe Arneil will be back but I sure hope they bring in some skill coaches to work with the players.

As to what went wrong (and maybe early to do a post mortem), I think the your idea of the the situation being a result of a combination factors may be most correct. One key factors is injuries. All of the following have missed significant time

Andersson
Matheson
Sterling
Miller
Schneider
Lack
Matson
Mullen
Rodin
Gordon
Sweatt
Pinizzotto
DesBiens
Longpre
Hunt


Some like Mullen, Matson, Lack have basically missed the season. Some of theses losses were critical. Losing Lack meant Climie had to be overplayed. Mullen was suppose to be their PP quarterback. Also, losing people like Miller was important b/c these players provided something of a glue factor. Moreover, many that came back from injury never got back to where they were. Clearly many were playing injured. People like Gordon, Longpre, Hunt and Sterling never really returned to form

Also you had the constant calling up and sending down of players. Every team had this but the Wolves were thin to begin with and simply couldn't do much when players like Schroeder and Ebbett were recalled.

Beyond that several new players came in at the end that were not familiar with how the team played. Some, in fact, like Jensen, Blomstrand and Lain had little to no experience with NA pro hockey.

In the end the lineup was never set for any prolonged period and this lack of continuity prevented a good team system from being established. Other teams may have had similar problems but few, I think, to the extent the Wolves have had.

Also, critical was the weakness at the center position. Before the lockout ended it was OK, but after the NHL came back, it was never much good. Gordon was switched in from the wing and provided some temporary good play. But then he got hurt and with the Schroeder call up the Wolves had virtually nothing. They got decent defensive efforts out of Kattelus but he was never AHL caliber IMO. Another converted winger in Longpre started OK but after he got hurt he was useless and could provide no offense. Schneider showed glimpses of adequate play but was generally very poor and both Friesen and Mallet were in over their heads at this level.

Could also say there was aspects of the coaching that left you wondering. The special team play was never much good. After a miserable start they improved on the PP for awhile when they got Haydar and Hunt on the points. However, teams adjusted and this quickly became a liability. Teams just put pressure on Haydar or waited for one of his languid cross ice passes and broke away for short handed goals. Some of the third period losses were a direct result of this. Employing this formation, especially when you were up in the third, never made any sense and the coaches should get lots of criticism here.

Moreover, moving out Joslin was idiotic. He was playing like 30 minutes a game and, with Andersson, formed the bulwark of a good defense. Indeed the main success of the team throughout much of the year was relying on their defense and Climie to eek out narrow wins. When Joslin left and Andersson got hurt the defense fell apart and the only chance the team had was getting some goals against the run of the play and hoping Climie could stand on his head.

Also Joslin's replacement Groulx was terrible. He looked totally uncommitted and was probably damaged good to start with. Groulx continuously made long hoper passes from his own end and never moved much to support the play

Could also say the trading away of Connauton hurt the defense. While Connauton often did as much wrong as he did right, he was one of the back-enders that could force the play and get some offensive push.

By the end their were so many new players and changes in combinations that the defense lost the any co-ordination. In the game tonight, the slot and front of the net were incredibly open. It just didn't look like professional hockey.

I would say another factor was the schedule. For much of the year, the Wolves got a lot of home games and an easier schedule. Payed for this over the last while with a string of road games close together. Given all the other problems they had, the team was seemingly unable to overcome the schedule and just began to fall apart.

Again, the Wolves might surprise and put a series of wins together and make the playoffs. There have been times when the team has looked to be headed into the tank, when they turned it around and pulled off some wins. However, given this game and the general trend over the last while it is a lot more likely the team just fades away. In the end the relationship b/w the Wolves and the Canucks has not been that great. Sometimes the dual agendas have conflicted. More than that, the Canucks do not have much depth in their system and attempt to plug holes with vets like Vandermeer, Mancari, etc.. have not made up for this problem.

Going their own way was essential for the Canucks and probably the Wolves.

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04-13-2013, 03:47 AM
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thats a pretty good analysis. thanks

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Interesting. Thank you for taking the time to write that out. I wonder why Joslin was moved out? If it was Gillis' decision you have to question his thought process and if it was Young (I think that's the gm of the wolves?) then the canucks really need to have more control.

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Interesting. Thank you for taking the time to write that out. I wonder why Joslin was moved out? If it was Gillis' decision you have to question his thought process and if it was Young (I think that's the gm of the wolves?) then the canucks really need to have more control.
I don't think it was Gillis's decision, because Joslin is still our property so the loan wouldn't change anything for the Canucks. It was just a loan to Worchester.

A gut feeling is that one of the players requested this. Possibly Joslin as he spent several years with Worchester.

Or Young wanted more offense or help on the PP.

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I think for sure the trade was made by the Chicago organization and not the Canucks.

Might have been a requested trade since made little sense on its surface. Worcester likely weren't going to make the playoffs and so it doesn't seem likely they were getting Joslin for help in the playoffs. Seems more likely the Wolves wanted Groulx over Joslin because they thought he would help in the playoff push. If so, Chicago made a pretty poor decision. Without Joslin the defense has got significantly worse and IMO they gave up a better player for worse one.

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Pirri is definitely promising. Smith? Not sure given his age he's already 24 (turning 25 this summer) and only 26 NHL games of experience. Might turn out to be an AHL lifer if he doesn't make the transition soon.
Dude's still on his entry level contract!

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Where would Joslin slot in on our blue line depth? Ninth after AA and CB?

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Dude's still on his entry level contract!
Doesn't mean much. How many guys break into the league from the AHL as offensive players at age 25 or later? It's not like he's lighting up the AHL either.

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I would say so based on his play this season.

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Wolves are getting outplayed. Blomstrand and Lain are out. Grenier and Friesen are in. Arniel is just hopeless.

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