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04-12-2013, 03:31 PM
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Eh, I dunno.

Say we could buy him out (maybe the team decides that Bryzgalov stays?).

Timonen-Schenn
Grossmann-Coburn
Gustafsson-Gervais
Huskins*

We're one injury to Timonen away from having no one capable of playing on the PP.

If Meszaros had multiple years left, it would be a different story, but it isn't clear to me that there is going to be a better value available in free agency this year, particularly not one that provides the flexibility of coming off the books in time for all the extensions in July 2014.
I agree with you. I was just saying if we needed some cap space for another player coming in and didn't have other contracts on this team that's worse then I wouldn't be totally against it.

Obviously Briere and Bryz will be the buy-out casualties for the Flyers in these next two years. Suggesting anyone else other than them two is silly.

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04-12-2013, 03:34 PM
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I did too, but at 34, Streit is another Kimmo Timonen waiting to happen. I'd try and go a little younger.
Streit is actually 35.

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04-12-2013, 04:55 PM
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I agree with you. I was just saying if we needed some cap space for another player coming in and didn't have other contracts on this team that's worse then I wouldn't be totally against it.

Obviously Briere and Bryz will be the buy-out casualties for the Flyers in these next two years. Suggesting anyone else other than them two is silly.
I understand what ur saying its just that when I do the math and add at least 1 good D (1-2) + 1 good Winger (top 6) the cap is tight..even when buying out bryz and briere!!! Remember our biggest trade asset is at like 1 million cap (couts).

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04-12-2013, 06:09 PM
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I didn't realize the Barry Ashbee trophy went to the 5/6th defenseman
Name the defensemen on that team and you will see the error of your ways.

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04-12-2013, 09:29 PM
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Everyone seems alright with playing out Mez, but he looked absolutely atrocious when he came back from both injuries. He could be on the decline from all of these injuries.
It could have something to do with the system Lavy runs too though. I would be looking to trade Mez for picks though and use that money on Streit. He may be old, but the guy can play and could help this team to get over the hump. This is a good team, they are just having a bad season.

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04-13-2013, 07:46 AM
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not much of a free agent crop, next season may not be up to par either, just keep our assets and develop develop develop

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04-13-2013, 08:27 AM
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Didn't know if this belong here or in the draft thread, but how do we compare the upsides of Nurse, Ristolainen, and Zadorov to David Rundblad and Brandon Gormley?

Seems to me that it would make a lot of sense to at least consider swapping the pick for a prospect a few years into their development--if the potential is roughly the same.

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I hate this idea. I really do. But, as a matter of value,

S. Couturier + 2013 2nd (36th) for D. Rundblad and 2013 1st (12th)

Take BPA at both 6th overall and 12 overall--probably Nurse/Lindholm/Monahan and Zadorov/Ristolainen/Mantha/etc.. (Or, in fantasy world, trade up).

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
____ - Schenn - Simmonds
____ - Laughton - Read
Talbot - Hall -Rinaldo

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Rundblad
Grossmann-Gustafsson


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How about uhh, no?

I'd rather keep Couts and just draft someone like Nurse and bring him in.

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04-13-2013, 10:57 AM
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How about uhh, no?

I'd rather keep Couts and just draft someone like Nurse and bring him in.
That's fair. But even if we could jump five years into the future, Nurse doesn't figure to address the team's need for a PMD.

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04-13-2013, 11:23 AM
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How about uhh, no?

I'd rather keep Couts and just draft someone like Nurse and bring him in.
But if you trade Couts and a 2nd for Rundblad and a 1st, we could have Rundblad, Nurse as well as another 1st round prospect. Perhaps a certain winger... (You guys know who I'm going to suggest).

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04-13-2013, 11:37 AM
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A variation--a PHX fan just brought this up, but I had the same idea:

PHI 1st (6th overall) for Rundblad + PHX 1st (11th overall)

If Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, and Nurse are off the board, I think this is makes a lot of sense unless you are really, really high on Lindholm or Monahan.

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A variation--a PHX fan just brought this up, but I had the same idea:

PHI 1st (6th overall) for Rundblad + PHX 1st (11th overall)

If Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, and Nurse are off the board, I think this is makes a lot of sense unless you are really, really high on Lindholm or Monahan.
If it came to that, where those players were off the board, I would certainly have to think about that move. However, I'd rather it be Gormley than Rundblad.

Maybe our 1st plus read for Gormley and their 1st

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04-13-2013, 11:43 AM
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If it came to that, where those players were off the board, I would certainly have to think about that move. However, I'd rather it be Gormley than Rundblad.

Maybe our 1st plus read for Gormley and their 1st
I don't think Read holds enough value because of his contract status--and he's a player I really believe the Flyers are better suited keeping for the future.

Rundblad is a better puck-mover than Gormley--though obviously not the same all-around player. I think he'd be a really interesting partner for either Coburn or Grossmann, and take some of the burden off of Timonen on the powerplay.

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04-13-2013, 12:26 PM
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That's fair. But even if we could jump five years into the future, Nurse doesn't figure to address the team's need for a PMD.
Why do you say that? Seems to me he would do exactly that, and more.

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A variation--a PHX fan just brought this up, but I had the same idea:

PHI 1st (6th overall) for Rundblad + PHX 1st (11th overall)

If Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, and Nurse are off the board, I think this is makes a lot of sense unless you are really, really high on Lindholm or Monahan.
I think I'd do this without question.

Rundblad is going to be very good on offense.

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If Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Nichuskin are off the board,

PHI 2013 1st to TOR for Jake Gardiner+2013 1st

(Leafs do this as long as Monahan or Lindholm is still available)

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04-13-2013, 03:58 PM
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If Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Nichuskin are off the board,

PHI 2013 1st to TOR for Jake Gardiner+2013 1st

(Leafs do this as long as Monahan or Lindholm is still available)
Eh, I dunno. I guess it would depend where TOR ends up picking, but if Nurse is still on the board, I doubt the Flyers pull the trigger.

If Nurse is off the board, I like the idea of moving back with PHX for Rundblad better.

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04-13-2013, 04:02 PM
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If Jones/Mackinnon/Drouin/Barkov/Nichuskin are off the board,

PHI 2013 1st to TOR for Jake Gardiner+2013 1st

(Leafs do this as long as Monahan or Lindholm is still available)
If the Leafs are picking in the second half of the 1st round, I easily say no to this proposal.

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i know well probably wind up drafting a more talented player but i kind of liked the idea of max domi being a flyer.

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Stupid question, when are teams allowed to do off-season stuff, like have players walk? Specifically ones that don't make the playoffs.

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Based purely on free agent moves without taking trades into consideration:

Buyout Briere and Mez.

Sign Weiss - 4 years @ 17 million

Sign Hainsey - 3 years @ 9 million

Sign Ryan Whitney - 2 years @ 5 million

Sign Chad Larose - 2 years @ 3 million

Retain Gagne - 1 year @ 2 million

Retain Rinaldo/Rosehill/Hall for whatever to round out your 4th line and extra forwards.

Retain Huskins to be your 7th Dman


FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jakub Voracek ($4.250m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Simon Gagne ($2.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Chad Larose ($1.500m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.550m) / Adam Hall ($0.650m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Ron Hainsey ($3.000m)
Ryan Whitney ($2.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Kent Huskins ($0.750m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)

OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,676,667; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,423,333


Don't know how realistic it is, but I think it turns us back into a playoff team next year without shipping off any of our young core.

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04-13-2013, 05:15 PM
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Based purely on free agent moves without taking trades into consideration:
Eh, I don't think any of those players will sign at those cap hits, but even if they did, that many multiyear deals could present some tricky problems down the road.

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Eh, I don't think any of those players will sign at those cap hits, but even if they did, that many multiyear deals could present some tricky problems down the road.
Probably not. But down the road we'll probably be fine regardless as long as we dump Briere and the cap doesn't continue to decrease. It'll probably take huge offensive years from Schenn and Couturier to get significant raises next year and, once Kimmo is off the books, his money alone will probably pay for Giroux and Couturier's raises.

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Probably not. But down the road we'll probably be fine regardless as long as we dump Briere and the cap doesn't continue to decrease. It'll probably take huge offensive years from Schenn and Couturier to get significant raises next year and, once Kimmo is off the books, his money alone will probably pay for Giroux and Couturier's raises.
That's probably true, but I don't particularly care to lose Matt Read so that we can have Ryan Whitney as our 6th defenseman.

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