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04-12-2013, 07:49 PM
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Yea Moore is looking good. I saw eminger stuck in the zone and said get to Moore, he promptly springs Nash for a break and goal vs leafs. Kids gonna help

what I want to know is when Staal is back they go with McD, Staal, DZ on LD then on RD Girardi, Stralman.........can Moore play RD? or would they move DZ over? that should be the top 6 for now and the future. McIlrath knocking on the door sometime next yr


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04-13-2013, 10:08 PM
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Moore is already so much better than Stralman it's hilarious.

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04-13-2013, 10:17 PM
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Can't believe this guy only gets 7-8 mins a game. He's a pretty solid player though he did make a pretty bad mistake with the puck on his own corner int he 3rd.

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04-13-2013, 11:12 PM
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Can't believe this guy only gets 7-8 mins a game. He's a pretty solid player though he did make a pretty bad mistake with the puck on his own corner int he 3rd.
he seems to use his body well. i wish he would hit more. he has the size to do it...needs to bulk up a little bit at 6'3 202.. if he was 215-220 with out losing any speed wouldnt be a bad thing.. Staal is listed at 6'4 207 that cant be right..

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04-13-2013, 11:15 PM
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He started the game strong, but at some points he was just getting bossed around.

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Lol @ he's already better than Stralman

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Moore is already so much better than Stralman it's hilarious.


And what is this based on?

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04-13-2013, 11:35 PM
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Moore is already so much better than Stralman it's hilarious.
I don't know what game you're watching but this is just not true.

In fact, I don't even think its possible. He's been with us for what? 6 games? Stralman is great for what he is.

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He started the game strong, but at some points he was just getting bossed around.
He needs to bulk up I think that's his biggest issue. He's great positionally and can skate like McDonagh, just doesn't seem to have as much strength and size. That's not to say he's a whimp or anything, he just needs to mature.

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04-13-2013, 11:37 PM
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Stralman has looked just as bad as Girardi the past few games

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Stralman has looked just as bad as Girardi the past few games
Stralman was pretty fantastic tonight

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Stralman was pretty fantastic tonight
Pretty much. I think he is usually good. It's rather impossible for Moore to be better than him because he barely gets any ice time to show it.

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Stralman has looked just as bad as Girardi the past few games
I thought he was our best dman tonight! He was especially awesome in the first period.

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He's definitely not better than Stralman as of yet, who continues to get underrated - I think he's solidified himself as a solid #4 in this league. Solid, solid player.

Moore, I thought, played well tonight. I agree with BB that he needs to bulk up, because if he could win the board battles that he's been losing, he could end up McDonagh 2.0.

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04-14-2013, 12:17 AM
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Stralman gets no respect here. I'm sure that bothers him not at all. All in all, a very solid player this year.

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04-14-2013, 01:19 AM
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He's gotta hit the weights. He gets knocked down fairly easily, but aside from that, I really like what i've seen from him.

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04-14-2013, 02:35 AM
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Stralman has looked just as bad as Girardi the past few games
Huh? He was real good last night!

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04-14-2013, 05:03 AM
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Stralman is a turnover machine. Open your eyes. He's awful at covering players in front of the net. He can't move players in front of the net. He consistently turns back into the other teams players when he has the puck behind the net. Watch for this next game. He'll get the puck free, instead of skating to open ice, he turns back into the other teams forwards. He does it all the time. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. He also is absolutely horrible at getting his shot through to the net. I can't remember a player that is worse at hitting the other teams players with his shot. It's embarrassing. He doesn't have a clue what a body check is. I would say that is why Moore is better.

Remember what the defense was like before the Moore trade. Despite his limited ice time, he has already improved the defense significantly. There was a reason Moore was drafted in the first round and Stralman was a guy one of the worst defensive teams in hockey didn't want. He's not very good.

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04-14-2013, 07:33 AM
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Stralman is a turnover machine. Open your eyes. He's awful at covering players in front of the net. He can't move players in front of the net. He consistently turns back into the other teams players when he has the puck behind the net. Watch for this next game. He'll get the puck free, instead of skating to open ice, he turns back into the other teams forwards. He does it all the time. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. He also is absolutely horrible at getting his shot through to the net. I can't remember a player that is worse at hitting the other teams players with his shot. It's embarrassing. He doesn't have a clue what a body check is. I would say that is why Moore is better.

Remember what the defense was like before the Moore trade. Despite his limited ice time, he has already improved the defense significantly. There was a reason Moore was drafted in the first round and Stralman was a guy one of the worst defensive teams in hockey didn't want. He's not very good.
apparently you did not watch this team last year. he stepped up and became a solid #5/4 for us. probably still easily a #5

moore still has more upside, but stralman was great for us last season.

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04-14-2013, 08:26 AM
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Stralman is a turnover machine. Open your eyes. He's awful at covering players in front of the net. He can't move players in front of the net. He consistently turns back into the other teams players when he has the puck behind the net. Watch for this next game. He'll get the puck free, instead of skating to open ice, he turns back into the other teams forwards. He does it all the time. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. He also is absolutely horrible at getting his shot through to the net. I can't remember a player that is worse at hitting the other teams players with his shot. It's embarrassing. He doesn't have a clue what a body check is. I would say that is why Moore is better.

Remember what the defense was like before the Moore trade. Despite his limited ice time, he has already improved the defense significantly. There was a reason Moore was drafted in the first round and Stralman was a guy one of the worst defensive teams in hockey didn't want. He's not very good.
Ummm no... Can you possibly embellish and exaggerate things anymore than you already managed to in this post? Stralman is not nearly as bad as you are trying to make him out to be. In fact he's been mostly effective for us this season but not without some bumps in the road, just as the other d-men have gone through. He logged a lot of important minutes for us last season while Staal was out and has been one of the more effective defensemen this season in terms of playing close to his potential - while the other d-men (sans Staal) have been pretty inconsistent and not played to their potential.

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I thought Stralman was our best defenseman last night.

Moore just needs to bulk up a little. Everything's there for him to become a solid #3-4.

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04-14-2013, 09:09 AM
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Stralman is a turnover machine. Open your eyes. He's awful at covering players in front of the net. He can't move players in front of the net. He consistently turns back into the other teams players when he has the puck behind the net. Watch for this next game. He'll get the puck free, instead of skating to open ice, he turns back into the other teams forwards. He does it all the time. It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. He also is absolutely horrible at getting his shot through to the net. I can't remember a player that is worse at hitting the other teams players with his shot. It's embarrassing. He doesn't have a clue what a body check is. I would say that is why Moore is better.
18 turnovers in 41 games, and he's a turnover machine? What does that make Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Girardi? They all have more turnovers than Stralman.

You also question his ability to hit the net with his shot which is more garbage. Stralman has less Missed Shots than Del Zotto, McDonagh, and Girardi.

He also does take the body. Stralman, Del Zotto, and McDonagh are all in the same range as far as hits go.

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Remember what the defense was like before the Moore trade. Despite his limited ice time, he has already improved the defense significantly. There was a reason Moore was drafted in the first round and Stralman was a guy one of the worst defensive teams in hockey didn't want. He's not very good.
Dan Girardi wasn't draft either.

The only thing that's not very good here, is your analysis.

You whine about his physicality when he's just as physical as Del Zotto and McDonagh.

You whine about his turnovers when he averages less turnovers per game than pretty much all of our dmen.

You whine about his ability to get his shot on goal, despite him missing less shots than most of our dmen.

What we have here, is some biased nonsense by someone who can't even do a little bit of homework. In the future, when you feel the urge to bless this forum with your awesome opinion, research the crap you're spewing. Because right now none of it makes sense and the only thing you're doing is proving you don't know a single thing about Stralman.

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04-14-2013, 09:22 AM
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If you can't realize that Stralman is not a good defenseman, then I don't see much point debating it with you. It's pretty obvious to anybody who watches this sport. However, feel free to continue to praise him. He won't be on this team next season unless Sather is drunk.

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If you can't realize that Stralman is not a good defenseman, then I don't see much point debating it with you. It's pretty obvious to anybody who watches this sport. However, feel free to continue to praise him. He won't be on this team next season unless Sather is drunk.
What?

Literally anybody who's ever watched a single game of hockey in their lives, even if it was just one game, would know Stralman is a very good bottom pairing d-man.

This is an awful post. "I'm not going to debate with you because you disagree with me."

Please do everybody a favor and keep your word and stop debating, because you're painfully wrong.

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If you can't realize that Stralman is not a good defenseman, then I don't see much point debating it with you. It's pretty obvious to anybody who watches this sport. However, feel free to continue to praise him. He won't be on this team next season unless Sather is drunk.
Well the issue is you made a bunch of claims that were not backed up by the stats and got called out on it.

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