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04-13-2013, 11:04 AM
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One slash to his right arm and he might embellish it so much it'll fall off.
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The Rangers would never offer up Girardi for Stastny. Av's fans better get something into their heads. Stastny has been an overpaid, underachieving buffoon for over 2 seasons now. He doesn't have anywhere NEAR the value Av's fans think he does.

Girardi has tremendous respect around the NHL. He's in his prime. His contract is excellent. He plays against all the other teams best lines. As a Rangers fan, I want nothing to do with Stastny who is over paid and doesn't produce all that much any longer.
I never said the Rangers would do it, I just said that I think the Avs would pass. We are not in a position to move our top LD prospect who has been looking great lately+ a top 6 center who is still in his prime and can produce a solid 50+ points in his off years and a very high 2nd in a super deep draft for Girardi, who I do think would be nice addition to our defense. Would not be worth it. We already have EJ and Barrie and Elliot(? Not sure if he is RD or LD but think RD) we really need a LD if we are giving up that much.

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The Rangers would never offer up Girardi for Stastny. Av's fans better get something into their heads. Stastny has been an overpaid, underachieving buffoon for over 2 seasons now. He doesn't have anywhere NEAR the value Av's fans think he does.

Girardi has tremendous respect around the NHL. He's in his prime. His contract is excellent. He plays against all the other teams best lines. As a Rangers fan, I want nothing to do with Stastny who is over paid and doesn't produce all that much any longer.

A fair trade for a shutdown, 24 minute a night defenseman in his prime would be something like this.

Girardi and Boyle to Chicago

Bolland, Morin. Clendening and a second to NY.

Bolland is a good checking center but on Chicago, he's not worth his contract. He doesn't get enough playing time. Morin is a good prospect who is stuck in the minors. Clendening is a talented, offenseman defenseman prospect. Let's face it. Chicago is a darn good team but their defense isn't good enough right now. They need a Girardi. I feel Bolland, Morin and Clendening would all fit nicely into the Rangers system.
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Anyway the Flyers can get him with a deal based around Read + Mez :-p

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I'd for sure be open to using the Oilers first rounder this year, but only if it included a contract extension. What I'd add to the pick will depend on where the Oilers select.

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You would carry him to Carolina for free just because you always need a scapegoat. Richards, Boyle, Girardi... who is next?

I agree that I think Skinner is more valueable but over estimating Girardi he is definitely not.

For our #1 dman there is nothing short of a 1st round pick and top 3 prospect I would move him for, or something equal value wise.
Girardi is far, far, far away from being our #1 dman. He's not on the same planet as Staal and McDonagh and I think Del Zotto is better too.

It has nothing to do with me needing a scapegoat. I've always been a Boyle supporter and Richards sucking is pretty much unanimous, so I would hardly say I'm scapegoating him.

Fact of the matter is, Dan Girardi just isn't that good. And if we traded him to a team like Edmonton or Carolina where he'd be forced into a #1 role, everyone would finally realize it.

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Shh, they can't know!

But if any GMs are lurking, Girardi is our best defender because he was an All-Star last year and he was 6th in Norris voting. Please pay a premium. By th way, Luke Schenn got JvR and Girardi>>>>>Schenn.

I would rather trade Del Zotto. Moore and McDonagh are good offensively, if DZ can't adjust to playing right side he should be moved.

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Shh, they can't know!

But if any GMs are lurking, Girardi is our best defender because he was an All-Star last year and he was 6th in Norris voting. Please pay a premium. By th way, Luke Schenn got JvR and Girardi>>>>>Schenn.

I would rather trade Del Zotto. Moore and McDonagh are good offensively, if DZ can't adjust to playing right side he should be moved.
Exactly this. G is our #1 defender. Not McD or Staal. It's Girardi.

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Shh, they can't know!

But if any GMs are lurking, Girardi is our best defender because he was an All-Star last year and he was 6th in Norris voting. Please pay a premium. By th way, Luke Schenn got JvR and Girardi>>>>>Schenn.

I would rather trade Del Zotto. Moore and McDonagh are good offensively, if DZ can't adjust to playing right side he should be moved.
You do realize that MDZ has nearly twice as many career points as McD and Moore COMBINED, right? They might be capable offensively, but neither McD nor Moore has proven anything on that side of the puck. Hell, Moore could still top out as a bottom pairing guy. He's never handled bigger minutes at any point in his career. Last year, he was a disaster defensively and mediocre offensively. Torts clearly trusts him about as far as he could throw him (a whopping 8 minutes tonight).

The only way the Rangers move one of their defensemen is if they don't think they can afford them all. If that is the case, I would think Del Zotto would be the last one they move (with his improved defense, MDZ has even been getting more TOI/G than McD lately). No team that wants to compete will spend big money on three stay at home defensemen, no matter how good they are.

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You would be out of your mind to rather trade Moore, MDZ and McDonagh. All who have a significantly higher ceiling than Girardi. Not to mention they are all much better skaters and the Rangers already struggle with speed teams. Not to mention, they are all about 5 years younger.

Posters around these parts don't really grasp that excellent, 20+ minute defenseman are worth more than 50 point forwards in the minds of GM's all around hockey. So, somebody like Girardi will never get credit on these boards. Around the league, his trade value would be immense.

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By no means am I trying to run Dan Girardi out of town, he's been great. I'm just kicking the tires as to what he can fetch out of curiosity, that's all. He's a 28 year old All Star defenseman and has a very good cap hit of $3.32M for next year and will then be a UFA. So what are your offers?

Rangers needs:

1st round pick for 2013.
2nd round pick for 2013.
A 2C to replace Richards if he is bought out this summer.
Top offensive forward and defenseman prospects.

You don't have to go exactly by this, but these are the winner winner chicken dinner kinda offers I personally would be looking for.
Oilers 1st + 2nd + Gagner

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Girardi is far, far, far away from being our #1 dman.
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He's not on the same planet as Staal and McDonagh and I think Del Zotto is better too. ...
That's not wrong, but it is a tad harsh.

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Fact of the matter is, Dan Girardi just isn't that good. And if we traded him to a team like Edmonton or Carolina where he'd be forced into a #1 role, everyone would finally realize it.
Big disagree.
Girardi is very good. It's just he is:
a) one dimensional, a shot blocking specialist, who is otherwise generally overall good but in an ordinary manner at taking the body, stick checking, etc.; and
b) just simply not doing these things as well today as he did in the recent past when he would truly have been worthy of consideration for a defensive defenseman award (never would win Norris vs. complete Ds, or even Staal/McD, but he was then outstanding and is now merely good-very good. Somehow he was not injured then, he is believed to have been playing banged up this year. Rarely has nights that are a complete disaster.

Girardi is a first pair. He may not be 1a, or could even be the 4th D on NY when MDZ is on his game. But is a legit first pair 1b.

That said, no sacred cows.
Whether we keep/move him depends upon the return and cap/etc. circumstances.

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franson from leafs.. otherwise a younger rhd with top 4 potential..otherwise hes no going anywhere.. please stop makig these threads for him.. RD top 4 are like trying to get 1c.. its the hardest position to fill.. hes here long term..
Franson + what?
Girardi has more value but not a ton more. Cody is bigger, younger, has more years of team control and is having a great season. But I think the Leafs would definitely be willing t work something out around the 2 of them if the + wasn't too significant.

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When Girardi plays with Staal, he's amazingly good. When he doesn't, he's just good. However, he's still a 20+ minute a night defenseman who can play against other teams best lines. Those are pretty rare.

Don't worry though. My fellow Rangers fans actually think Stralman is good so I'm sure they feel Girardi can be replaced by him.

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Kesler, Alberts, 2nd rounder


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Girardi and Boyle

I think Kesler and Girardi would both be better off on those other teams.

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What in all **** are you people watching that you're saying things like Girardi is a one-dimensional shot blocking specialist with no discernable skill?

A defensive defenseman who munches minutes, rarely makes mistakes, blocks everything, makes smart first passes all the damn time, puts up 25-30 points a year and has a penchant for clutch play and raising his game when the stakes go up (3-9-12 in 20 in the playoffs, including a pair of insanely clutch goals)

Oh, right, and he's made of ****ing adamantium. He takes PK Subban slapshots to the ankle and misses 3 shifts. He'll play 30 minutes a night and ****ing laugh at the bench. He's honestly more deserving of the C than Ryan Callahan is based on work ethic, leadership and warrior intangibles alone.

But yeah, average and expendable. Go hivemind!

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I'd love to have Girardi in Buffalo, but I don't think we have many expendable assets NYR would be interested in for him.

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From the Oil, I'd offer Petry + 1 of Paajarvi/this year's 2nd rder (have a feeling it is 36th by season's end).

Rangers get a RHD back making 2 million less who can play in the top 4. Petry is the complete package in terms of skill set, but is prone to at least one boneheaded giveaway per game. He also comes with a 1.25 mil price tag, giving the Rags an additional 2mil in cap flexibility vs Girardi's 3.325. Stepan, McD, Clowe and Hagelin combined should cost 13ish million, bringing the Rags to 62.5 mil while still needing 13/14th forward and 7th D. Filling out the roster with Girardi on board can be done, but limits the tweaking that can be done.

Paajarvi vs 2nd rder, not sure what the Rags would want more. They don't pick until the 4th rd (likely 105ish pick). Very good draft year. Paajarvi helps them more now, brings size and speed but still needs to develop his physical game.

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From the Oil, I'd offer Petry + 1 of Paajarvi/this year's 2nd rder (have a feeling it is 36th by season's end).

Rangers get a RHD back making 2 million less who can play in the top 4. Petry is the complete package in terms of skill set, but is prone to at least one boneheaded giveaway per game. He also comes with a 1.25 mil price tag, giving the Rags an additional 2mil in cap flexibility vs Girardi's 3.325. Stepan, McD, Clowe and Hagelin combined should cost 13ish million, bringing the Rags to 62.5 mil while still needing 13/14th forward and 7th D. Filling out the roster with Girardi on board can be done, but limits the tweaking that can be done.

Paajarvi vs 2nd rder, not sure what the Rags would want more. They don't pick until the 4th rd (likely 105ish pick). Very good draft year. Paajarvi helps them more now, brings size and speed but still needs to develop his physical game.
not enough.
And btw, please do not use the derogatory term 'rags'. If you wanna abbreviate, NYR does the trick.

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What in all **** are you people watching that you're saying things like Girardi is a one-dimensional shot blocking specialist with no discernable skill?

A defensive defenseman who munches minutes, rarely makes mistakes, blocks everything, makes smart first passes all the damn time, puts up 25-30 points a year and has a penchant for clutch play and raising his game when the stakes go up (3-9-12 in 20 in the playoffs, including a pair of insanely clutch goals)

Oh, right, and he's made of ****ing adamantium. He takes PK Subban slapshots to the ankle and misses 3 shifts. He'll play 30 minutes a night and ****ing laugh at the bench. He's honestly more deserving of the C than Ryan Callahan is based on work ethic, leadership and warrior intangibles alone.

But yeah, average and expendable. Go hivemind!
Just so everyone is clear on what I said and meant, IMO, he IS a one dimensional shot blocking specialist, not one dimensional in that that is all he does, but one dimensional in that that is where his area of expertise, possibly best in the league, lies.

As I noted, he is "good to very good" otherwise across the board.
Let us not make more or less of him than he actually is.

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I think Kesler and Girardi would both be better off on those other teams.
I wish. And good luck with that.

In a thread about most irreplaceable (or to that effect), after several 'Nuck fans said they would consider Kesler in the right deal, including particularly due to injury, I offered Stepan + for Kesler +. And that is with Stepan available NOW, and Kesler a ? in comeback this year.

I was pilloried.

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Girardi is far, far, far away from being our #1 dman. He's not on the same planet as Staal and McDonagh and I think Del Zotto is better too.

It has nothing to do with me needing a scapegoat. I've always been a Boyle supporter and Richards sucking is pretty much unanimous, so I would hardly say I'm scapegoating him.

Fact of the matter is, Dan Girardi just isn't that good. And if we traded him to a team like Edmonton or Carolina where he'd be forced into a #1 role, everyone would finally realize it.
He's been a top pairing defenseman for us for the last 3 years. Defeinsively up until this season he has been our top guy. Staal is a better two way defender as is McDonagh. Girardi is what he is, a shut down defenseman.

To each is own but in my eyes he has been our number 1 dman up until this year where has been eclipsed by Mcdonagh.

Del Zotto is not a better defender than Girardi. Again, he brings more to the table offensively and DZ's defense has come a long way but he is still close to being on par with Girardi from a pure defense perspective.

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What in all **** are you people watching that you're saying things like Girardi is a one-dimensional shot blocking specialist with no discernable skill?

A defensive defenseman who munches minutes, rarely makes mistakes, blocks everything, makes smart first passes all the damn time, puts up 25-30 points a year and has a penchant for clutch play and raising his game when the stakes go up (3-9-12 in 20 in the playoffs, including a pair of insanely clutch goals)

Oh, right, and he's made of ****ing adamantium. He takes PK Subban slapshots to the ankle and misses 3 shifts. He'll play 30 minutes a night and ****ing laugh at the bench. He's honestly more deserving of the C than Ryan Callahan is based on work ethic, leadership and warrior intangibles alone.

But yeah, average and expendable. Go hivemind!
Yeah... he is an ironman. Thats what some Rangers fans don't see. This year has been a different story for Girardi, not his best year (then again it has been a so-so year for the entire team sans Lundqvist) and most people won't look past a 42 game sample size vs his entire career as a guy who can play 30+ minutes a game, is in every sense of the word a shut down defenseman and is made of steel.

He will never been an offensive guy. You want a guy who can play tons of minutes against the top tier talent in the league and do a great job of shutting them down? Danny G is the guy. If you want a two way defenseman who will also score 25-30 points... he is not your guy.

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Dallas needs a top pairing RHD.

If we make the playoffs, I'd trade our 2013 1st + Vancouver's 2013 2nd + young NHL dman Phillip Larsen for Girardi. If you want a forward prospect instead, I'd give up Matt Fraser instead of Larsen.

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Dallas needs a top pairing RHD.

If we make the playoffs, I'd trade our 2013 1st + Vancouver's 2013 2nd + young NHL dman Phillip Larsen for Girardi. If you want a forward prospect instead, I'd give up Matt Fraser instead of Larsen.
I would consider this since we don't have a 1st.

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