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04-13-2013, 05:01 AM
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Over the last month or so, me too. See below if you don't mind.


Can this be used in a loophole type sense when the time comes that it's either NHL or waivers? Loaning him to the KHL in a developmental fashion, so as to avoid waivers if it unfortunately comes to that? What are the rules regarding bringing him back after a KHL stint (assuming he doesn't go "Mother Russia" on us and fight to stay over there)?
Unless you're still exempt, you need waivers to be assigned anywhere, so there's no loophole.

If he were to go over there in the next two years while he's still exempt, he'd need the Sabres permission since he's a contracted player.
They'd likely lose him for the balance of the season though, as a KHL club isn't going to want him if you're just going to be able to call him away at any time.

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04-13-2013, 08:51 AM
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8 more games this year isn't going to derail his development, just bring him up. Rochester has enough guys as it is, and Grigorenko is all but virtually guaranteed a roster spot next year.
I certainly hope he's not guaranteed a spot. That's about the worst thing you can do with a guy that has in game work ethic issues. What's the incentive then for him to work on those things?

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Darcy Regier says Mikhail Grigorenko will return to Sabres organization with junior team done. Will decide on NHL/Amerks in next day or two

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04-13-2013, 05:42 PM
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Darcy Regier says Mikhail Grigorenko will return to Sabres organization with junior team done. Will decide on NHL/Amerks in next day or two
May as well keep him in Buffalo.

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04-14-2013, 05:58 AM
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I would much rather see him go to the playoffs with Rochester than play out the string here.

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I would much rather see him go to the playoffs with Rochester than play out the string here.
Who gets the shaft in Rochester? They're already 6 deep at center. Waive Hecht there's no point in keeping an old depth player around when there's nothing worth winning anymore. If you are dead set against him in the NHL right now then call up Larsson.

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Why call any of them up? They're playing meaningful hockey in Rochester--surely that's better experience than playing on a team that's almost fully checked-out at this point, even if they are playing out of position or they have to sit a game here and there.

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ya send him to Rochester to play for a team that has something play for, its where he should have been all year but couldnt because of rules, I mean he was basically a harlem globe trotter in juniors but wasnt quite ready for the NHL

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Why call any of them up? They're playing meaningful hockey in Rochester--surely that's better experience than playing on a team that's almost fully checked-out at this point, even if they are playing out of position or they have to sit a game here and there.
The new definition of checked out is 5-2 over the last 7.

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Rochester for sure.

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Interesting how the excitement wore off so quickly. .

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Interesting how the excitement wore off so quickly. .
Meh, he did absolutely nothing in while he was here. You'd think a prospect with elite offensive skill would at leash flash it. He was 100% useless. Spent lots of time coasting and I don't think he ever went within 5 feet of the boards.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not writing him off. But he just looked like a non-factor considered how much hype he was getting.

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Meh, he did absolutely nothing in while he was here. You'd think a prospect with elite offensive skill would at leash flash it. He was 100% useless. Spent lots of time coasting and I don't think he ever went within 5 feet of the boards.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not writing him off. But he just looked like a non-factor considered how much hype he was getting.
but that wicked backhand pass Ott didn't score on...

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Interesting how the excitement wore off so quickly. .
Not for this guy. I am still excited to see what a 18 year old newly drafted kid will develop into.

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My opinion: The whole season was a bust for the whole team.

As for Grigorenko, a full training camp, some time in the AHL, and maybe playing with a scorer instead of Steve Ott would help. The guy is a playmaker. Playmakers like to have scorers on their lines.

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04-15-2013, 12:06 AM
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My opinion: The whole season was a bust for the whole team.

As for Grigorenko, a full training camp, some time in the AHL, and maybe playing with a scorer instead of Steve Ott would help. The guy is a playmaker. Playmakers like to have scorers on their lines.
After training camp next year its NHL or juniors. AHL isn't an option but it would be great if it was.

As for playing with Ott or not , there is sooo much in Grig's game that needs work that who he plays with is the least of it. Thats the problem with Grigs. He isn't nearly ready for top 6 NHL minutes but he doesn't makes much sense in the bottom 6. Unfortunately the best place for him to work on what he needs to fix is the AHL. But thats not an option.


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I say play him in the AHL. Let him workout over the summer and if he doesnt come back a complete beast send him back to the Q

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04-15-2013, 12:41 AM
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I say play him in the AHL. Let him workout over the summer and if he doesnt come back a complete beast send him back to the Q
Read the post above yours

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Read the post above yours
The post above doesn't address what he's saying. He's not talking about putting Grigorenko in the AHL next year, he's talking about putting Grigs there right now to finish out the season. Then next year, he said, either Grigs shows up looking great and sticks, or goes back to the Q.

I agree with all of that.

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04-15-2013, 01:39 AM
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The post above doesn't address what he's saying. He's not talking about putting Grigorenko in the AHL next year, he's talking about putting Grigs there right now to finish out the season. Then next year, he said, either Grigs shows up looking great and sticks, or goes back to the Q.

I agree with all of that.
Oh wow...

Sorry, I shouldn't read while tired

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04-15-2013, 02:13 AM
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My opinion: The whole season was a bust for the whole team.

As for Grigorenko, a full training camp, some time in the AHL, and maybe playing with a scorer instead of Steve Ott would help. The guy is a playmaker. Playmakers like to have scorers on their lines.
Ott isn't really a bad linemate in theory as he goes to tough areas and creates space, but the way he's been used under Rolston would make him unsuitable (highly defensive role).

The linemate argument doesn't float for me though, as Grigorenko is the only one to blame for his ice time and linemates.
If he deserved more of a role, he would have gotten it.
He didn't though, as he was horrid in his extremely sheltered role.

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Grigorenko will not forget Quebec:
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"I would like to finish the season in Buffalo, but if I go to Rochester, it will also be a great experience," said the Russian skater, who turns 19 on May 16.
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"It was a very special year, and playing at different levels has given me a lot of experience," he said. "It was a good season for me, but my goal for next year is to play in the NHL, and I hope that I will not have to play anywhere else than in Buffalo."
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"We faced a very good team and I believe that we were not ready, so it's disappointing. I did not play as well as I could have, but the players of Rouyn-Noranda played very tight defensively and they were strong, not just against me, but against the whole team."

"It is true that [Iamgold Arena] has plenty of space on the ice out there, but we did not play well at the Coliseum either. Now, there is nothing that can be done."

And the future? "I will train hard this summer," he said. "I have to be stronger physically and mentally. I want to be a player who will make a difference."

"I spent two great years here and I will never forget the people at the Pepsi Coliseum screaming my name: Grigo! Grigo! It was fantastic. I just had my last meeting with Patrick [Roy] and I hope that we will one day find ourselves [in the same team]."

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That last part about hoping that he and his coach will be on the same team again in the future is interesting, even if just hopeful wishing.

Saying the right things, now needs to do the right things in the off season. I would like him to prep for and play in Amerks play-offs then get ready for camp.

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I don't see why the Sabres are taking a couple days to even think about this. He should be in Rochester this week and practicing with the team. Same with Catenacci. I hope to see both when they play Toronto on Friday night.

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I don't see why the Sabres are taking a couple days to even think about this. He should be in Rochester this week and practicing with the team. Same with Catenacci. I hope to see both when they play Toronto on Friday night.
Yep, it shouldn't even be a question.

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