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04-14-2013, 03:18 AM
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Hayes brother to Edmonton

Wonder how much would it cost the Oilers to get both the Hayes brother out of Chicago?

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Chicago doesn't want prospects or Paajarvi, so...

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We need a 2C...

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Who? And in what world do these amazing Hayes brothers warrant anything other than prospects in return? This is getting ridiculous.

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I'm not sure what they could bring back. Combined they aren't worth Edmonton's 1st, but they're probably worth more than a 2nd.

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I don't see a deal here for all of the reasons stated above.

The Hawks don't need more prospects. Our farm has decent depth at all positions, and we're at the 50 contract limit as it is.

So that leaves us with warm NHL bodies or draft picks. The Hayes brothers aren't worth Edmonton's 1st, but like Sarava said they're worth more than a 2nd. The Hayes brothers aren't worth a high-quality NHL player like the 2C we've been clamoring for, but even aiming for a bottom 6 player, the Hawks' depth in the NHL is solid at all positions so they wouldn't need to make a move there either.

The Hawks would be better just sticking it out with these two and seeing what happens.

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04-14-2013, 04:29 PM
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The Hayes brother would be awsome for the Oilers bottom 6. Oiler's bottom 6 needs a major makeover.

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Who? And in what world do these amazing Hayes brothers warrant anything other than prospects in return? This is getting ridiculous.
The Hayes brothers are prospects. Seems kind of dumb for Chicago to move two prospects, for a couple more prospects. There's no one in Edmonton's system outside of Klefbom that Chicago would be interested in anyways.

There's no one on the Edmonton Oilers that would be moved, that Chicago would be interested in. Pretty much that simple.

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I'm not sure what they could bring back. Combined they aren't worth Edmonton's 1st, but they're probably worth more than a 2nd.
they are worth a 1st... combined, they are worth more than a 1st. Trading them for a 1st wouldn't do anything for the Hawks.

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Moving two of them would require something like one of the big 4 and a prospect. Maybe RNH+Klefbom would do it.

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they are worth a 1st... combined, they are worth more than a 1st. Trading them for a 1st wouldn't do anything for the Hawks.
You do know that players aren't necessarily worth the picks they were taken with, right? Kevin Hayes is probably worth a 3rd rounder at best now. That doesn't make him a bad prospect - just not worth the pick that was used to select him at this point. Jimmy Hayes on the other hand probably has held him draft position for value - a mid 2nd.

Basically that leaves me with their value being about a 2nd and a 3rd - which would be great, since that could replace what the Hawks gave up in this upcoming draft for Johnny Oduya. They aren't worth a first though - especially a first that will be a lottery pick. That's just overvaluing our prospects and being a homer

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Hey, if teams can get 1st rounders for Paul Gaustad and Kyle Quincey...well, you never know.

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whoo hayyeee wha?

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04-14-2013, 06:39 PM
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You do know that players aren't necessarily worth the picks they were taken with, right? Kevin Hayes is probably worth a 3rd rounder at best now. That doesn't make him a bad prospect - just not worth the pick that was used to select him at this point. Jimmy Hayes on the other hand probably has held him draft position for value - a mid 2nd.

Basically that leaves me with their value being about a 2nd and a 3rd - which would be great, since that could replace what the Hawks gave up in this upcoming draft for Johnny Oduya. They aren't worth a first though - especially a first that will be a lottery pick. That's just overvaluing our prospects and being a homer
Kevin Hayes development has been fine ,, Why do you continue to look down upon him?

He has improved each year at BC and was on pace to outperform his brother Jimmy's Junior year production wise

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Why would the Oilers bother going for these two?

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they are worth a 1st... combined, they are worth more than a 1st. Trading them for a 1st wouldn't do anything for the Hawks.
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Moving two of them would require something like one of the big 4 and a prospect. Maybe RNH+Klefbom would do it.
You guys are making yourself look so bad, RNH and Klefbom or asking for a top 10 pick, I thought Oiler fans were bad but this is just so.... I can't even think of a word that makes you guys look so bad

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Hayes brothers+Bolland for Gagner+something nice

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Why would the Oilers bother going for these two?
To fill out the top 6 in a yr or 2 from now. I want the bottom 6 to be all over 6' 200+LB. That can create offense and start pounding opponents. I'm pretty sure the Hayes brothers can accomplish that. I see too many flybys.

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Hayes brothers+Bolland for Gagner+something nice
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I get why the Oilers would want the Hayes bros... not sure how it works out between the two teams though.

IMO, the Hayes bros are worth more than EDM's first rounder, unless it's in the top 5-8.

My best guess would be 2nd + Gagner. I think the Hawks management believe Jayes can be a solid top6/bottom 6 tweener and Kayes has potential to be a top 6 winger... and if nothing else, a solid Versteeg-like 3rd line winger. I think that's worth more than a 1st but less than a 2nd.

I know Gagner's been coming into his own for Edmonton, but with a solid line-up and a solid crew of top-flight prospects, I don't think they'd mind adding solid depth to near-NHL ready forwards.

My only concern with EDM, from their standpoint, would be... who replaces Gagner?

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You guys are making yourself look so bad, RNH and Klefbom or asking for a top 10 pick, I thought Oiler fans were bad but this is just so.... I can't even think of a word that makes you guys look so bad
I am a Oiler fan. I just thought to get over with it and skip to the conclusion which happens in every trade proposal.

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Wow did I just see someone propose RNH+Klefbom for the Hayes brothers

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Wow did I just see someone propose RNH+Klefbom for the Hayes brothers
No....you didnt

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You do know that players aren't necessarily worth the picks they were taken with, right? Kevin Hayes is probably worth a 3rd rounder at best now. That doesn't make him a bad prospect - just not worth the pick that was used to select him at this point. Jimmy Hayes on the other hand probably has held him draft position for value - a mid 2nd.

Basically that leaves me with their value being about a 2nd and a 3rd - which would be great, since that could replace what the Hawks gave up in this upcoming draft for Johnny Oduya. They aren't worth a first though - especially a first that will be a lottery pick. That's just overvaluing our prospects and being a homer
Lol. Kevin Hayes was a PpG player, playing on BC's 2nd line last year. Yet, he's now worth a meager 3rd round pick? C'mon now.

Both, combined, are worth at least a 1st round pick. Not a lottery pick, but a mid-1st (16-21) most definitely. Chicago has no reason to move them for that though, considering their prospect pool is already stacked and both have taken big steps in their development this year.

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