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04-14-2013, 02:29 PM
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So the player can't quit if he is having big disagreements with the coach? He was sick and tired of Torts coaching just as most of us and I am sure some other players for the Rangers.
No. He didn't just quit on his coach; he quit on his teammates and fans.

Imagine if you were in the last year of your contract and your linemate decided to go on cruise control for the season and screw over his stats along with yours. How would you feel? Or spending $200 on tickets to watch the team only to see one of the stars float around?

No, you always give 100% of what you have for the team.

Now all that said, it doesn't look (from the outside) like Torts did much of anything to try and fix the relationship, either. But that doesn't let Gabby off the hook.

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I do not have an immediate definitive answer long term.

I do have a sure fire winner short term.
Someone we all like and respect.
Someone qualified on the basis of knowledge and ability.
Someone who knows the team.
Someone who all or nearly all the entire team would not dare defy, and if there were one or two holdouts, which I'm not saying there are, but for arguments sake, the support from the majority of the players would force them into line.
Someone who is aware of what's going on, yet could offer a fresh personal perspective.
Guess who?





Wait for it....


Wait for it....



My vote is for PLAYER-COACH, Ryan Callahan.

See how he likes it for post retirement, and it provides full time to get any other guy we'd want in the meantime.
Ah yes, player coach. That surely won't step on any toes or anything.

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No. He didn't just quit on his coach; he quit on his teammates and fans.

Imagine if you were in the last year of your contract and your linemate decided to go on cruise control for the season and screw over his stats along with yours. How would you feel? Or spending $200 on tickets to watch the team only to see one of the stars float around?

No, you always give 100% of what you have for the team.

Now all that said, it doesn't look (from the outside) like Torts did much of anything to try and fix the relationship, either. But that doesn't let Gabby off the hook.
Thank you.

It blows my mind how people will attack Torts for the smallest things but will let Gaborik get away with quitting on his team. Torts didn't put out the exact line I wanted? Fire him - no excuses! Gaborik stopped caring despite the fact that the team was playing him 7+ million dollars with the expectation that he'd at least try his hardest every night? Well, that's understandable.

The bias is absurd.

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Are they a team that feels they are positioned to make a Cup run? They're rebuilding.
Does it matter? The Rangers aren't positioned to make any run now. You overlook the fact that what's being discussed is a coaching change or adjustment, and I gave an example.

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Outside of Guy Boucher, I really don't know of a single other possible replacement if Torts got canned.

It honestly reminds me a bit of the Boyle/Richards situation. Everyone wants to see them gone and yet no one has any replacements in mind.

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There are plenty of good qualified head coaches, minor league coaches, college coaches and assistant coaches out there. There are not just 30-31 qualified coaches in the world. Many may not be household names but NHL teams and scouts know who they are. Not many people heard of Torts when he was coaching in lower leagues.

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There are plenty of good qualified head coaches, minor league coaches, college coaches and assistant coaches out there. There are not just 30-31 qualified coaches in the world. Many may not be household names but NHL teams and scouts know who they are. Not many people heard of Torts when he was coaching in lower leagues.
yeah i feel like people think only former nhl head coaches can be considered as a replacement.

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Ah yes, player coach. That surely won't step on any toes or anything.
that sounds like the worst idea ever

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It's all about the playoffs....I doubt Dolan even watches until the playoffs.

Thinking about the tough coach gets replaced by the easygoing coach and vice versa...

But if Torts gets this team past round 1 no way he gets fired

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Gaborik was playing like he was last year.

He just didn't go into his streaks that he had.

His on ice shooting percentage was way down, but he had no puckluck despite getting chance after chance. His shooting rate was the same as it was in years past.

Knee jerk reaction by management in panic mode. The return for him still makes me sick. And it's not like Clowe is doing any better.

To say Gaborik wasn't trying though, that's a joke. He cared obviously, he broke sticks on his knees multiple times. And on the bench, after that penalty shot that was stopped. Best forward on the team the past 4 seasons and he is tossed away like a piece of meat. I don't think I can ever forgive management for this.

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To say Gaborik wasn't trying though, that's a joke. He cared obviously, he broke sticks on his knees multiple times.
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I don't disagree with you that Gabby had given up, but let me propose a hypothetical situation for you.

Torts is IMHO not a creative problem solver - his asset management is suspect at best. If he can't bang a square peg into a round hole, he throws the peg in the garbage - regardless of whether the peg is made of balsa wood or oak, and honestly, I don't really blame Gaborik for throwing in the towel.
What was he "asking Gaborik to do", that he "shouldn't be doing"? Engaging in the play, utilizing his speed on the forecheck, and going to the net - these are the things that I am sure Torts was trying to get him to do, the kind of things he was doing last year, but, for whatever reason, Gaborik decided he didn't want to pay the price to be an effective player on this team.

People like to say "JAM, GRINDING, OMGZZZ", but the reality is that these things have been missing from the team this year, and when this team actually plays that style of hockey, they do very well for themselves. The lineup is now capable of playing that style, and it's an improved version of last year's team, IMO. More skill, more size, to go along with the gritty style that many of these players play. I would like to see Tortorella adjust the defense a bit, but the offense, since the trade, looks improved and more capable.

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Gaborik was playing like he was last year.

He just didn't go into his streaks that he had.

His on ice shooting percentage was way down, but he had no puckluck despite getting chance after chance. His shooting rate was the same as it was in years past.
All that indicates is that he isn't generating quality chances like he was in 11-12. That Gaborik would engage along the wall, hustle to a loose puck, and disrupt the forecheck with his speed. This year, Gaborik did none of that. He glided around the ice, never moved his feet, and was completely useless on the forecheck. He never utilized his speed. His body language and his play indicated to me that he was holding himself back.

Also, his shot has clearly gotten worse. Even on his good chances, he never seemed to get much on the puck.

That's why his shooting percentage is so low.

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Knee jerk reaction by management in panic mode. The return for him still makes me sick. And it's not like Clowe is doing any better.

Best forward on the team the past 4 seasons and he is tossed away like a piece of meat. I don't think I can ever forgive management for this.
It wasn't a knee jerk move at all, the lack of quality play from Gaborik was there for 2 months, and he isn't signed long term. That trade isn't "tossing him away like a piece of meat". Trading Simon Gagne for Matt Walker and a 4th is what I would apply that to. For Gaborik, the Rangers got 3 good, young pieces - center depth in Brassard, a great checker in Dorsett, and a budding defenseman in Moore. You can spin your agenda against Brassard, but he consistently produces 40+ points, and adds creativity to the forward group. He's not going to play a ton, and he isn't going to play against tough competition. Thus far, he has definitely added depth to our offense, and has been effective in the lesser role he's been put in. That's all that was needed from him, and it has helped the team's play in a lot of ways.

Also...4 seasons? Gaborik was the best forward on the team in 09-10, and 11-12. Definitely not in 10-11, where, despite his okay numbers, he was piling up goals against weak teams and wasn't consistently productive like he was in the other two years. Callahan and Dubinsky were far better than Gaborik that season. This year? I'm not going to dignify that asinine implication with a response.

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When did Torts ask Gaborik to do something aside from what he was hired to do? The guy had two of the best years of his career here with Torts. He never even came close to playing a "Torts game," yet he got first line minutes year after year until his play completely fell off toward the end of this season.

Torts gave him the business about not stepping up in the playoffs last year, and maybe that was a stupid thing to do because he was hurt, but he didn't get on Gabby for not grinding hard enough, he got on him for not scoring, which is exactly what he was brought in to do.

I don't see the problem with "creative problem solving" either. Zucc isn't a "Torts guy," neither is Brassard, or Nash, or Stepan for that matter. Is he trying to change those guys and getting ready to throw them out? No. They're doing what is expected of them, and they're getting minutes, and occasionally getting outright praise for their play.

Like I said earlier, maybe Torts' time is coming to an end. Maybe the team has peaked with him. That's a reason to find a new coach, not these fabricated theories about why Torts is responsible for every single shortcoming that every single player shows.

Lastly, there is never an excuse to quit on your team like that. Demand a trade if you want one, but keep playing your hardest for the sake of your teammates and your fans.
Let's look at those first line minutes this year, because I think its clear to all of us that something changed from last year to this year. For the first 30 games of the season he was:

A) Playing out of position

on a line with:

B) A center who despite having a reputation as a world class playmaker was playing like absolute dog****

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C) A right wing who, talented as he may be, ALMOST NEVER PASSES THE PUCK

Gaborik is a floater with a wicked shot - may as well call a spade a spade - he's not a Rick Nash type of player who is going to single handedly change a game - he needs his line mates to feed him in order to be successful. So, playing out of position, with those line mates for the majority of his tenure with the Rangers this season, how could he possibly be as productive as he was in seasons past?

Despite that, he was given **** by Torts and benched well before Richards - despite the fact that as bad as he was playing, he was still playing WAY better than Richards, and was not set up to be successful this season (given his strengths and weaknesses).

Oh, and then he was demoted to the third line, as if that was supposed to make him magically stop playing the same way he has been playing since he got drafted and become Ryan Callahan with a better shot.

This is my point about Torts not being a creative problem solver. He seems to be unwilling to change tactics at all regardless of what players happen to be on the ice at any given moment. Opposing players are 4 across the blue line? Dump (or stretch pass tip in) and grind along the boards! Oh, that's not working? Do it more! Yay! We finally have puck possession in the O zone! What do you mean you 're out of gas?

Collapse into the D zone and give the opposing D free reign of 1/3 of their O zone! Oh, that's not working? We've been trapped in our own zone for the last 2 minutes? Collapse more, block shots, and let Hank bail you out! You took a penalty because you're out of gas? You're benched!

I can't imagine why we were gassed against the Devils in the ECF's last year...

Take Kreider as another example. Last year in the playoffs, he had some abysmal games and a couple of really good games under the directive of (at least as far as I have read) "Just go out and play". So, what happened this year? Kreider has been terrible all year when with the big club. Did his play really regress that much? Or was he terrified of "just playing", making a mistake and riding pine all night?

So, instead of having a kid (who admittedly will make a ton of rookie mistakes) with a wicked shot and fast wheels on the PP, we have Brian Boyle (I have nothing against the guy and think he's very effective when utilized properly - but I don't think he should be on the PP - a big body in front of the net is only effective if said body can't be moved i.e. Zdeno Chara).

Why is Girardi getting PP minutes over Stralman, McDonagh and Moore?

Why is Boyle getting minutes he can't possibly deliver on given his skill set?

Because Totorella is RIGID. He has no creative solutions. There is no "Gaborik is a specialist. He does one thing well. Scores goals. That's it. How can I use that to the team's advantage?" Everything is "This is my decision. If it's not working, it's because you're not doing it right/with enough jam/heart/etc."

As for your last point, I have no argument - he should have requested a trade and played his *** off till he got one, but I'm just saying I don't necessarily blame him for throwing in the towel when he was given no chance to succeed and then blamed when he didn't.

Edit: As for Zucc not being a Torts guy, I wholeheartedly disagree. A guy who is 5'6" and plays like he's 6'5", face mushing Phaneuf? He is the definition of a Torts guy. Stepan as well. Nash gets a pass because of his talent, which leaves only Brassard... Call me delusional, but this trade, to me, reeks of Torts. I think that we, as fans, see the centerpiece of this trade (if there can be a centerpiece) as Moore. I think that for Torts, the centerpiece was Dorsett - Mr. Brandon Prust 2.0 and I'm willing to bet that if Columbus didn't want to include him, this trade never happens.

And realistically, what did this trade (and the Clowe trade) do for us? It made us deeper certainly. But all it really did was ensure that we make the playoffs. So what? That helps Dolan's pockets, saves Tortorella and Sather's jobs and that's about it. We are not going deep into the playoffs with this team. IMHO, you don't trade a player like Gaborik unless 1) You are blowing up the team and getting futures or 2) trading him for players that will give you that extra "oomph" for a deep playoff run (i.e. Gartner for Andersson). The Gaborik trade, the Clowe trade (and it could be argued, the Nash trade) did neither of those things, and if it weren't for Hank, at this point, the Rangers would pretty much be the Panthers without a first round pick.


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Ah yes, player coach. That surely won't step on any toes or anything.
Ironically, it worked for Tortorella. His first year coaching he was a player-coach at the ECHL level.

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All that indicates is that he isn't generating quality chances like he was in 11-12. That Gaborik would engage along the wall, hustle to a loose puck, and disrupt the forecheck with his speed. This year, Gaborik did none of that. He glided around the ice, never moved his feet, and was completely useless on the forecheck. He never utilized his speed. His body language and his play indicated to me that he was holding himself back.
There is no question that he was struggling, but I got the same vibe from him like I did during the late December to mid January of last season. Players go through rough 30-40 game stretches.

Here is a very good post by SA16:

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Gaborik has 19 points in 33 games this year.
Nash had 20 points in 33 games last year from Nov 21 to Feb 3. (and now 28 in 29 this year)
Ovechkin had 22 in 31 last year from Oct 8 to Dec 17 (and now 32 in 33 this year)
Kovalchuk had 18 in 34 points two years ago from Oct 8 to Dec 26 (83 in 77 the year after)
Pat Kane had 19 in 33 games last year from Dec 26 to Mar 6 (42 in 33 this year)
Getzlaf had 19 in 32 games last year from Dec 10 to Feb 21 (38 in 34 this year)
Eric Staal had 20 in 36 last year from Oct 7 to Dec 27 (36 in 32 this year)
Perry had 20 in 30 from Dec 2 to Feb 10 last year (28 in 30 this year)
Elias had 24 in 36 games from Oct 8 to Dec 31 two years ago (78 in 81 the year after)
Hossa had 18 in 31 games from Oct 20 to Feb 9 (injuries in the middle) two years ago (77 in 81 the year after)

Small samples. You can always find subsets of data in a large dataset to show something like that. Just so happens Gaboriks poor start is at the beginning of a year and in a short year so the numbers aren't masked by previously good numbers. These are pretty much all guys who have been consistent 70+ point guys (almost with the exception of Nash even)
Gaborik, like all NHL players, even the consistent PPG guys (like him) can go through rough stretches. But we are making conclusions after a rough 35 game stretch as opposed to the whole body of work Gaborik had the season before.

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Sorry, I don't buy this. I don't see how his shot has diminished in one offseason. It's bad shooting percentage and he's been wiring pucks playing the point in Columbus (but his goals have been redirections in close). He wired the puck against the Isles in OT.

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That's why his shooting percentage is so low.
It's low for a variety of reasons, but I certainly don't see him throwing muffins on net like say Prust would. Frankly, I would've been more concerned with Gaborik's play this year if he stopped shooting the puck, but that wasn't happening. He was getting the same number of scoring chances, even if he didn't create it on his own.

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It wasn't a knee jerk move at all, the lack of quality play from Gaborik was there for 2 months, and he isn't signed long term. That trade isn't "tossing him away like a piece of meat". Trading Simon Gagne for Matt Walker and a 4th is what I would apply that to. For Gaborik, the Rangers got 3 good, young pieces - center depth in Brassard, a great checker in Dorsett, and a budding defenseman in Moore. You can spin your agenda against Brassard, but he consistently produces 40+ points, and adds creativity to the forward group. He's not going to play a ton, and he isn't going to play against tough competition. Thus far, he has definitely added depth to our offense, and has been effective in the lesser role he's been put in. That's all that was needed from him, and it has helped the team's play in a lot of ways.
And the Rangers lineup is still largely flawed. They addressed minimal pieces - a checker, a 1-dimensional center and a bottom pair defenseman. Roster wise, this team is a lot less deep than it was last season heading into the playoffs, hence my rantings. Brassard isn't as good as Dubinsky, Anisimov, I doubt Dorsett could be as good as Prust, Pyatt is much worse than Fedotenko, Powe is worse than Mitchell and Moore is on par with Erixon. Nash is much better than Gaborik for us with his ability to maintain puck possession on a team that is starved for possession time, however is the upgrade from Gaborik to Nash worth all the downgrades elsewhere in the lineup, I say not even close. This team is no closer at a title than they were in 2010-11.

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Also...4 seasons? Gaborik was the best forward on the team in 09-10, and 11-12. Definitely not in 10-11, where, despite his okay numbers, he was piling up goals against weak teams and wasn't consistently productive like he was in the other two years. Callahan and Dubinsky were far better than Gaborik that season. This year? I'm not going to dignify that asinine implication with a response.
Meant in total time during his tenure. On average, he was the team's best forward.

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And the Rangers lineup is still largely flawed. They addressed minimal pieces - a checker, a 1-dimensional center and a bottom pair defenseman. Roster wise, this team is a lot less deep than it was last season heading into the playoffs, hence my rantings. Brassard isn't as good as Dubinsky, Anisimov, I doubt Dorsett could be as good as Prust, Pyatt is much worse than Fedotenko, Powe is worse than Mitchell and Moore is on par with Erixon. Nash is much better than Gaborik for us with his ability to maintain puck possession on a team that is starved for possession time, however is the upgrade from Gaborik to Nash worth all the downgrades elsewhere in the lineup, I say not even close. This team is no closer at a title than they were in 2010-11.
First you say you want to keep Gabby, then you ***** about the fact that the Rangers are a much less deep team than they were last year. Make up your mind. You can't have both. If you keep Gabby, Nash, Richards, and Hank's contracts (combined they would eat up almost half the cap space next year)... you have to sacrifice something; and for most of the season this year it has been depth and grit.

The other problem here is that when you're talking about a "downgrade" - and imply it is primarily because of the Gabby trade - you leave out Clowe. The two trades can not be looked at in a vacuum. They both influenced each other and both were likely considered and formulated in the context of the other happening. In light of that, would you really say that this is a downgrade?

Nash-Gaborik
Clowe-Dubinsky
Brassard-Anisimov
Dorsett-_____
Moore-Erixon
Powe-Rupp

Those are the major pieces moved in trades over the past year. Granted, this doesn't look at the other considerations involved in the trades (draft picks, gaining significant cap space, ability to re-sign RFAs, etc); but you're talking immediate impact, so let's see... The only combination in there that comes even close to a downgrade is Brassard-Anisimov - and there isn't even a major roster piece to match with Dorsett. The trades made don't really look too shabby in that light.

That said, you include FA's as well (I agree with you here, virtually none of the FA replacements come even close to filling the holes they were meant to fill). So here are the 1-to-1 roster changes from last year:

Nash-Gaborik
Clowe-Dubinsky
Brassard-Anisimov
Dorsett-Prust
Pyatt-Fedotenko
Powe-Mitchell
Asham-Rupp
Moore-Erixon

That doesn't look nearly as bad as reading your post would lead one to believe. Its all subjective of course, but in my mind that is 3-4 minor downgrades and 3-4 pretty significant upgrades -- which would make it somewhere between a wash and a better team (depending upon which you think are upgrades).

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Problem is Asham,Powe, Pyatt provide 0 offense, and only Powe provides PKing and some resemblance of a defensive game. Last years guys had defense in spades. I wish we kept Anisimov and Mitchell, but it is what it is. Those 3 I just listed are not acceptable replacements.

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Does it matter? The Rangers aren't positioned to make any run now. You overlook the fact that what's being discussed is a coaching change or adjustment, and I gave an example.
Does it matter? Yeah. A team that's rebuilding are more likely to take a flyer on a rookie coach than a time that thinks it has a chance to win the Cup.

You may think that the Rangers aren't position to make a run — I'm not sure they are either — but management seems to think they are

I'm not suggesting that teams don't hire rookie coaches (obviously all coaches are rookies at some point). I am suggesting that most of the time, teams that think they're primed for a Cup run don't hire rookie coaches — for that matter, how many teams that feel they have a shot at the Cup actually change coaches? I know it happens, Bylsma, for example, but it's the exception, not the rule.

This is all moot as I don't think Torts' job is in jeopardy.

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Problem is Asham,Powe, Pyatt provide 0 offense, and only Powe provides PKing and some resemblance of a defensive game. Last years guys had defense in spades. I wish we kept Anisimov and Mitchell, but it is what it is. Those 3 I just listed are not acceptable replacements.
Yes and no. It would be nice to have even a modicum of scoring from the fourth line. But the real issue is guys like Richards, Clowe and Hagelin not scoring consistently. If that was happening, I the lack of offense from the fourth line wouldn't be an issue.

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I watched this documentary late into Sunday night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmhuYXRb9gM

This very honest, exceedingly well produced documentary really helped put some things into perspective. It also helped answer some questions about the team I've been asking myself:

Why are Rangers fans so....crazy?

Why is it so hard to win a Stanley Cup in New York?

What kind of players, team and focus do you need to have to win that championship and what kind of coach?

Why does Edzo hate Mike Keenan so much?

If you have the time, give it a watch. Helped focus things in a very entertaining way.

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Why is it so hard to win a Stanley Cup in New York?.
What was the answer presented for this one?

Im assuming it wasnt explained as very bad managerial decisions over the course of 70 years?

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What was the answer presented for this one?

Im assuming it wasnt explained as very bad managerial decisions over the course of 70 years?
Well personally I can't speak to 1940-1994 but ever since Dolan took over he has clearly been the problem with the Knicks and the Rangers. The poor decisions flow from the top all the way down to the guys on the ice/court. From allowing Sather to continue to be GM, to allowing Isaiah Thomas to be GM. I'm not saying that he doesn't want to win, I just think that as long as he makes money he is complacent. Let's face it, even though the Knicks were awful from 2000-2010 and the Rangers from 1998-2005 he still made money because of two die hard fanbases in the biggest city in the US. If no fans showed up to games or bought merchandise during those time periods it would have lit a fire under his ass to improve the teams.

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Gaborik, like all NHL players, even the consistent PPG guys (like him) can go through rough stretches. But we are making conclusions after a rough 35 game stretch as opposed to the whole body of work Gaborik had the season before.
Whole body of work the season before? This can be looked at in a couple of ways. In the last 3 seasons, he hasn't looked like he did in his first season here. His speed isn't as apparent. His shot has lost velocity. Last year, he found other ways to consistently score goals. The year before that, he looked exactly like he looked for us this year.

I'll tell you this: I watch Rangers games now and I don't miss Gaborik at all. And this is coming from a guy who was one of his biggest fans and was constantly defending him last year. Whether or not he was great for us in seasons past, if he's not missed on the ice, than he wasn't that valuable to us this season.

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Well personally I can't speak to 1940-1994 but ever since Dolan took over he has clearly been the problem with the Knicks and the Rangers. The poor decisions flow from the top all the way down to the guys on the ice/court. From allowing Sather to continue to be GM, to allowing Isaiah Thomas to be GM. I'm not saying that he doesn't want to win, I just think that as long as he makes money he is complacent. Let's face it, even though the Knicks were awful from 2000-2010 and the Rangers from 1998-2005 he still made money because of two die hard fanbases in the biggest city in the US. If no fans showed up to games or bought merchandise during those time periods it would have lit a fire under his ass to improve the teams.
I'm not even convinced he cares about winning at all. Dolan has the model down pat. All Ranger fans need is the hope that at the beginning of every year the team will remain "competitive" and have a chance to make the playoffs. Listen to the sentiment around here all year. "Once you are in the playoffs anything can happen!" Yeah, anything, especially a first or second round exit. No matter how bad this team plays or has played the majority of this fan base believes with great conviction that once they're in the playoffs, it's a whole new ball game. Unfortunately a new ball game with the same ol' team. Why does Sather buy every year at the deadline? The reaction to the Gaborik trade should sum it up nicely. People are convinced that was the shot in the arm this team needed to turn things around and get back to playing "the right way." However the only thing that remains consistent is that yet again Henrik ****ing Lundqvist, the best goalie in the world right now is carrying this team on his back. Yet the outcome will be the same and the cycle will continue. The Kings winning last year was the best thing to happen to the Rangers managment. Now they have even more reason to keep this team mediocre year after year all while raising ticket prices. Rangers fans will keep believing all you need to do is make the playoffs, and continue standing behind poor asset managment as long as there is some hope they can win the Cup.

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What was the answer presented for this one?

Im assuming it wasnt explained as very bad managerial decisions over the course of 70 years?
No, it was not explained specifically as that.

No question that the choices and decisions that management has made should receive the lion share of blame. But it's a bit more complicated than that, imo.

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