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04-15-2013, 10:32 AM
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Yawn... Nash, Gaborik, Pominville, Erat, Bishop, Lindback, Morrow, Iginla, Brassard, Clowe, Bouwmeester, Roy, Regher, Leopold, Murray, Ryder, Lombardi, Bobrovsky, Ribeiro, Visnovsky, Michalek, Ott, J. Staal, B. Sutter, Foligno, Methot, Dubinsky, JVR, L. Schenn, etc all say hello.

All I'm hearing from you is a bunch of delusional excuses as to why Luongo hasn't been traded. Yea, it has nothing to do with his trade value. It all has to do with the CBA, the shortened season, and the lockout. Dozens of players have been traded in that time frame, including a number of very significant players, most of whom were not pending UFAs when traded.
None of which are goalies with long-term contracts penalized by the new CBA. There are already only 30 starting goalie spots. The number of destinations is reduced by the contract (as I pointed out, the top 6-7.... let's say 10 cap spending teams to be safe, can't risk the cap penalty).

The reason why Luongo wasn't traded is very simple.... No one was willing to pay what Gillis wanted. Whether that was a top prospect+ or a mid round pick - we have no idea.

What I find interesting is that everyone agrees the Leafs had interest at some point after the CBA was agreed upon. Ignoring what they were willing to give up, that alone indicates that a team (at least 1) was willing to risk the contract - the major sticking point. From there it was all about trade value.

As I've said.... he may be moved for scraps, but he can be moved and I would bet something of value to the Canucks is gained.

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04-15-2013, 11:26 AM
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I would move Schneider for Henrique.

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04-15-2013, 11:29 AM
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Luongo is 34 years old, is he supposed to be our future or something? New Jersey would have to get rid of him in a few years when his knees and hips break down, like they do for all butterfly goalies.

With the way Marty has been playing, he could easily stick around another two years until he's 42-43. It's possible that Luongo's career may only exceed Marty's by two or three seasons. Lou certainly won't be playing for that entire contract.

I'm not even going to talk about the value here, that's already been addressed enough.

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04-15-2013, 11:31 AM
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None of which are goalies with long-term contracts penalized by the new CBA. There are already only 30 starting goalie spots. The number of destinations is reduced by the contract (as I pointed out, the top 6-7.... let's say 10 cap spending teams to be safe, can't risk the cap penalty).
Exactly. Which is why Luongo, unlike the other players I mentioned, has very little value in trade, and has become very difficult to move.

Thank you for pointing that out.

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Maybe if Vancouver buys Luongo's contract out I'd like to see Lou try to sign him for a 2 or 3 year deal so we can find out more about our goalie prospects.

I wouldn't want Lou to offer up anything of value for him considering the Devils are so thin on offensive prospects.


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04-15-2013, 11:48 AM
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I would move Schneider for Henrique.
I wouldn't.

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04-15-2013, 11:51 AM
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The legend of Kovalchuk and Luongo will look great on NJ's cap years after they retire.

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If we've learned anything from the TDL it's that Luongo is a salary dump, Vancouver can get nothing of value for him at this point.

The suitors are not by any means lined up to take Luo, and if someone does make an offer Vancouver's GM needs to take it without thinking twice.

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04-15-2013, 12:58 PM
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here is a crazy trade

luongo + schroeder + kesler

for

henrique + zajac + 3rd round pick

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04-15-2013, 01:14 PM
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here is a crazy trade

luongo + schroeder + kesler

for

henrique + zajac + 3rd round pick
Don't think Van likes this one, and doesn't jersey have some solid goalie prospects?

Oh.....and i doubt the Debils are dealing Henrique.

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04-15-2013, 01:18 PM
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here is a crazy trade

luongo + schroeder + kesler

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henrique + zajac + 3rd round pick
Nope.

Kesler + Schroeder = Zajac + Henrique

Don't want to give away Luongo for a 3rd.

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04-15-2013, 01:21 PM
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The reason why Luongo wasn't traded is very simple.... No one was willing to pay what Gillis wanted. Whether that was a top prospect+ or a mid round pick - we have no idea.
That was last summer. Things have changed drastically. Luongo wanted to go to Florida and see how things played out. And unfortunately for him, things played out horribly.

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04-15-2013, 01:24 PM
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Nope.

Kesler + Schroeder = Zajac + Henrique

Don't want to give away Luongo for a 3rd.
That's pretty much what he's worth right now.

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04-15-2013, 01:26 PM
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That's pretty much what he's worth right now.
Exactly. I'd rather trade Schneider for a solid asset than Luongo for nothing, as in my eyes for the next 3-4 years Luongo will be just as good, and that coincides with our best shot at winning the cup.

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04-15-2013, 01:44 PM
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who said Brodeur will retire?
The way he's played this season he probably should.

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Exactly. I'd rather trade Schneider for a solid asset than Luongo for nothing, as in my eyes for the next 3-4 years Luongo will be just as good, and that coincides with our best shot at winning the cup.
That at least is a respectable opinion IMO.

Too many Canuck fans have vehemently denied that Luongo doesn't have good trade value, but when that idea is flipped on its head, and other fans point out that if Luongo is so good, why doesn't Vancouver just keep him and trade Schneider, they also flip out about that idea.

The Canucks IMO are exactly the type of team that could actually stomach (to a certain extent) a Luongo type of contract, because they are in their window for contention right now. Trading him to teams like Toronto, TB, Florida, etc, doesn't make as much sense (IMO) since they'd just be burning through those first few years of his contract that actually have value without actually having a chance to win the SC. And if you're going to trade good assets for and take on that contract, your ultimate goal should be because it gives you a very good chance of winning the SC.

Vancouver could add a great piece or two to their roster if they traded Schneider, and realistically they only need another solid piece or two to push themselves right back to the top in terms of top contenders for the Cup.

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04-15-2013, 01:50 PM
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Dont want Luongo. Unless you buy him out, then ill take him

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I will also admit i didn't consider this. Makes possible sense why Tampa didn't make a move for Luongo. (Vinny's contract)
Really? Not the myriad of times that Tampa fans said this exact same thing didn't get it to settle in for people?

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04-15-2013, 03:08 PM
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The way he's played this season he probably should.
Stat vulture spotted.

Brodeur has been one of the best players on this team and gets shelled every night because of the atrocious defense.

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The legend of Kovalchuk and Luongo will look great on NJ's cap years after they retire.
Some players never retire, they just go on LTIR or "hold-out for more money" and are suspended.

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That's pretty much what he's worth right now.
To be fair; Two 2nds and Scrivens (c+/b- prospect) was very close to done, if they had more time I'm sure a deal would have been struck. So it's safe to say that a single 3rd wouldn't cut it.

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Some players never retire, they just go on LTIR or "hold-out for more money" and are suspended.
I am firm believer that the team that acquires Luongo can buyout his contract $125 waivers when luongo wants to retire, he would have to pass through waivers but no team would pick him up, and even if they did well not your problem any more.

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Don't want to give away Luongo for a 3rd.
a third is too much???? How about a 7th then

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Really? Not the myriad of times that Tampa fans said this exact same thing didn't get it to settle in for people?
Sorry, was to busy weeding through the Leaf bashing....must have missed it.

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