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04-15-2013, 09:29 AM
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Gagner is at least worth Backstrom. Petry and Smid for Green and Ovechkin should be fair value as well.
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04-15-2013, 09:47 AM
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Are you honestly saying that Gagner, Smid, and Petry are comparable to Orlov, laich and Brouwer? Come on, you guys really need to get a handle on things.
You realize Brouwer is on a 30g+ pace over a full season right (for >$3 mil per)? Orlov is a prized prospect and Laich is a guy (when healthy) that every team in the NHL would love to have.

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Gagner is at least worth Backstrom. Petry and Smid for Green and Ovechkin should be fair value as well.
The comedic force is strong in this one...

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04-15-2013, 12:30 PM
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Johansson is like Gagner in terms of style, but not as effective. And Brouwer is not a better player than Petry or Smid, but nice try.
Actually I'd say they're very, very similar. Gagner has a career high of 47 points (last year), which he would break this year. Johansson has a career high of 46 points (last year), which he would break this year.

Johansson started the season off playing injured, which resulted in just 1 goal in his 1st 9 games. He then missed a month, and since his return has 4g 13a in 21gp (a 33 point pace, 2 points off of Gagner). Johansson also has a pretty good 2 way game and is a year younger. I'd say that's as close as it gets...

And it's hard to compare forwards to Defensemen. I'd say Smid and Brouwer are very similar. Best suited as 2nd line/pair players, but could also fit in just fine on the 1st line/pair. Just very solid players who get the job done.

But I'd say Brouwer>Petry... As is Orlov

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04-15-2013, 12:35 PM
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The comedic force is strong in this one...
But he's right, Backstrom has never had an eight point game.

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04-15-2013, 12:35 PM
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Brouwer has more goals than Crosby, Kessel, Parise, Wheeler, Seguin, Perry or any of the Oilers. Think about it.
He's a career 15-20 goal scorer on average. I'd be skeptical to have him as more than a third liner (second liner in a pinch). Although I will admit, that he may have broken out, its one year of offense for what has been a 30 point forward up until now.

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actually, johansson has 19 games since coming off of IR with 17 pts. thats huge.

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Actually I'd say they're very, very similar. Gagner has a career high of 47 points (last year), which he would break this year. Johansson has a career high of 46 points (last year), which he would break this year.

Johansson started the season off playing injured, which resulted in just 1 goal in his 1st 9 games. He then missed a month, and since his return has 4g 13a in 21gp (a 33 point pace, 2 points off of Gagner). Johansson also has a pretty good 2 way game and is a year younger. I'd say that's as close as it gets...

And it's hard to compare forwards to Defensemen. I'd say Smid and Brouwer are very similar. Best suited as 2nd line/pair players, but could also fit in just fine on the 1st line/pair. Just very solid players who get the job done.

But I'd say Brouwer>Petry... As is Orlov
Petry has been better than Smid this year. He's been our best d-man in the second half of this shortened season. So if Smid = Brouwer, then Petry > Brouwer.

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He's a career 15-20 goal scorer on average. I'd be skeptical to have him as more than a third liner (second liner in a pinch). Although I will admit, that he may have broken out, its one year of offense for what has been a 30 point forward up until now.
brouwer scored 22 goals for chicago in their cup season where he skated a good bit of first line time and pp time. he scores 17-18 goals when mostly playing 3rd line time.

often, like mike knuble, a player like this that can score on the power play can be counted on for a steady 25/30 goals a season. this appears to be where brouwer is headed. it will be important for him to back up his production next season, but the caps got him with the idea that he was a scorer and said so at the time. his production is bearing that out.

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04-15-2013, 12:42 PM
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brouwer scored 22 goals for chicago in their cup season where he skated a good bit of first line time and pp time. he scores 17-18 goals when mostly playing 3rd line time.

often, like mike knuble, a player like this that can score on the power play can be counted on for a steady 25/30 goals a season. this appears to be where brouwer is headed. it will be important for him to back up his production next season, but the caps got him with the idea that he was a scorer and said so at the time. his production is bearing that out.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, but up until this year, he's had one 20 goal year. He's been mostly a 15-20 goal guy. All I'm saying, is that his huge goal output this year may be an outlier, and not the norm of what this player can bring.

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04-15-2013, 12:44 PM
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But your comment was as ignorant as saying EDM would not trade Klefbom to WSH unless one of Backstrom and Alzner are coming back.



Yes because it would really make sense to trade one of EDM's top liners each of which is good enough to challenge for team Canada olympic team for a very good prospect who might never play for EDM ..
The point of OP was that EDM is still rebuilding while WSH might want to push for playoffs this year and make some trades. A rebuilding team would not move a key core player.
uhhh, sorry? Which Edmonton player is going to challenge for a spot on Team Canada? Did they make a big trade at the deadline that I missed or something?

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I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said, but up until this year, he's had one 20 goal year. He's been mostly a 15-20 goal guy. All I'm saying, is that his huge goal output this year may be an outlier, and not the norm of what this player can bring.
its a risk, but a professional can see the difference in ice time. an 18 goal scorer that gets 15 even strenth goals as a 3rd line that scores 25 on a 2nd line with regular power play time gains his goals from the added ice time. its pretty straight ahead.

now....if he puts up a second 30 goal pace season next season, then he would not be available from any team that might have him. in the caps case, he's not available anyway.

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Gagner is at least worth Backstrom. Petry and Smid for Green and Ovechkin should be fair value as well.
Is this a joke? Please tell me you're joking.

This thread is embarrassing.

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04-15-2013, 01:30 PM
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Gagner is at least worth Backstrom. Petry and Smid for Green and Ovechkin should be fair value as well.
That bolded part is the funniest thing. It isn't "At most", it's "AT LEAST" . This post is awesome for just how... Well... I don't even need to say it.

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He's a career 15-20 goal scorer on average. I'd be skeptical to have him as more than a third liner (second liner in a pinch). Although I will admit, that he may have broken out, its one year of offense for what has been a 30 point forward up until now.
If this year doesn't matter, then Gagner is small, non-physical third-line center, right?

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Troy Brouwer is who Edmonton need. Physical depth wingers.

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uhhh, sorry? Which Edmonton player is going to challenge for a spot on Team Canada? Did they make a big trade at the deadline that I missed or something?
Hall for sure is a contender to make team Canada. Possibly Eberle and RNH depending on how they play next year.

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Gagner is at least worth Backstrom. Petry and Smid for Green and Ovechkin should be fair value as well.
I can't believe how many people didn't get that this was blatant sarcasm. I think the sarcasm smiley has dulled peoples' senses.

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Troy Brouwer is who Edmonton need. Physical depth wingers.
McPhee's confidence in Brouwer as the 2RW now and for the foreseeable future was probably one of the biggest reasons he felt he could trade Forsberg. He literally thought there'd be no room for Filip. Right or wrong, that should tell you all you need to know about his availability.

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Washington needs a shake up, Edmonton is still rebuilding. Kuznetsov is already a great player, but he's going to stay in Russia until 2014/2015 season. However, Kuznetsov & Yakupov could form a dangerous scoring threat for years to come. Edmonton has several good pieces behind their Big 5 that could help the Caps right now + picks and prospects. Is there a trade here?

Untouchables: RNH, Eberle, Hall, Yakupov, J.Schultz

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He may never come over . He is a high end talent and the caps will want to be paid as such . From our side why are we going to trade a high end player for a player that we will not see until 2014 and he may never come .

In before the Caps fan state he is coming . People change their mind all the time , also why come here when he can make more in the KHL

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Hall for sure is a contender to make team Canada. Possibly Eberle and RNH depending on how they play next year.
Maybe Hall, but unlikely and there's next to no chance for the other two to make the Sochi team IMHO.

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He may never come over . He is a high end talent and the caps will want to be paid as such . From our side why are we going to trade a high end player for a player that we will not see until 2014 and he may never come .

In before the Caps fan state he is coming . People change their mind all the time , also why come here when he can make more in the KHL
Throw out a little Ad ignorantiam and then follow it up by excluding the people who would have the most knowledge of the situation...nice.

And to the bolded, I don't know ask the OP...

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uhhh, sorry? Which Edmonton player is going to challenge for a spot on Team Canada? Did they make a big trade at the deadline that I missed or something?
I think Hall is a lock on LW. Eberle is a long shot but might make it due to past hockey Canada experience. RNH has no chance.

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But he's right, Backstrom has never had an eight point game.
Gagner is worth more than Backstrom? Don't let me choke on that.

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Maybe Hall, but unlikely and there's next to no chance for the other two to make the Sochi team IMHO.
I already admitted they were a longshot. Based on his season last year, Eberle has a real legitimate shot, if he bounces back. RNH probably not, he's too new and hasn't proven enough to get a spot over the Crosby's, Toew's, Getzlaf's, etc. Hall is hardly a longshot though. Not only is he one of the top scoring lw's in the game, he has the drive and determination that winning teams need. And let's not forget that Lowe has some say on who gets on these teams, he's on the selection crew. He'll push for at least one of these kids to be on the team.

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Troy Brouwer is who Edmonton need. Physical depth wingers.
That "depth winger" has two more goals than anyone on Edmonton.

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