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We dont know where they are because the season isn;t over yet

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pretty solid for us. another d man out for the season.nice to see foster stand up for his team. yikes. who is left, gervais. yikes that is scary, for us. alt, is he a guy we can call up. and we think we are a mess, the habs going to the playoffs. they must be petrified.
Alt's on a ATO so no.

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pretty solid for us. another d man out for the season.nice to see foster stand up for his team. yikes. who is left, gervais. yikes that is scary, for us. alt, is he a guy we can call up. and we think we are a mess, the habs going to the playoffs. they must be petrified.
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04-16-2013, 09:04 AM
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If Florida ends up with the 1st overall, what about something like

Couturier
Coburn
1st

For

1st overall

?

Gagne - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Schenn - Read
Simmonds - Laughton - Straka/McGinn/etc.
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot

Timonen - Jones
Gustafsson - Schenn
Meszaros - Grossmann


Florida gets a young #1-#2 Shutdown C, a solid #3 defenseman and still has a high pick to get another impact player and we get a young franchise defenseman to build around.

Jones and Schenn would be great young cornerstones for our defense for the future, while still having a deep young forwards core too. Laughton takes over for Couturier, as he's actually better suited to be a 3rd line C than Couts IMO.

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04-16-2013, 09:10 AM
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Coburn + 6th/7th overall is probably closer to fair value.

Couturier + 6th/7th overall is overpayment for the 1st overall.

Couturier + Coburn + 6th/7th overall is a ridiculous premise.

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Coburn + 6th/7th overall is probably closer to fair value.

Couturier + 6th/7th overall is overpayment for the 1st overall.

Couturier + Coburn + 6th/7th overall is a ridiculous premise.
I don't think Coburn plus our 1st gets it done. I think it would HAVE to a be a ridiculous overpayment to get Florida to bite.

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I don't think Coburn plus our 1st gets it done. I think it would HAVE to a be a ridiculous overpayment to get Florida to bite.
That deal leaves us worse next year and going forward, IMO.

The difference between Jones and Nurse is not Couturier + Coburn.

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04-16-2013, 09:16 AM
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I don't think Coburn plus our 1st gets it done. I think it would HAVE to a be a ridiculous overpayment to get Florida to bite.
I don't think so either, but it's enough to make Florida think about it.

People here underrate Coburn pretty hard.

Honestly, we'd be pretty lucky if Jones ends up better than Coburn even if he's got more than enough potential.

Realistically, Coburn + 6th/7th is an overpayment particularly because of Nurse, but we live in a world where everyone's future is set by their draft slot.

Coburn + 6th/7th is TECHNICALLY "ridiculous" overpayment.

That package has a lot of value, and I would readily dangle that for Weber this summer depending on who we pick; maybe add Cousins to sweeten the pot.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Couturier - Schenn
McGinn - Laughton - Gagne
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot

Timonen - Schenn
Weber - *****
Gustafsson - Grossmann

Doubt Nashville does it, but it's something to think about. They probably demand Coburn + 6th/7th + Couturier at which point I tell them to **** off.


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Coburn + 6th/7th overall is probably closer to fair value.

Couturier + 6th/7th overall is overpayment for the 1st overall.

Couturier + Coburn + 6th/7th overall is a ridiculous premise.
I laugh at that if Im Florida.

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I laugh at that if Im Florida.
Then Florida can have Jones.

I'll take Nurse and keep Coburn.

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Then Florida can have Jones.

I'll take Nurse and keep Coburn.
I second that.

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I am torn on this issue, but I would rather give up an unnecessary amount of picks than give up any of our players. The way I see it we only really need one position filled.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Gagne-Laughton-Read
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Timone-Schenn
Coburn-XXXX
Grossmann-Gus
Gervais/Huskins

Bryz
Mason

That team with a more balanced coaching style and a little bit of health could be a very good team.

Lets just hope we win the draft lotto!

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04-16-2013, 09:25 AM
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I second that.
Honestly though, not needing Jones, Florida is pretty dumb if they don't consider Coburn + 6th for 1st overall.

Coburn would be a FANTASTIC partner for Campbell.

They can get a pretty awesome forward with the 6th/7th this year.

Then again, if the Panthers have their heart set on Mac or Drouin, then good luck to them.

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I am torn on this issue, but I would rather give up an unnecessary amount of picks than give up any of our players. The way I see it we only really need one position filled.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Gagne-Laughton-Read
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

Timone-Schenn
Coburn-XXXX
Grossmann-Gus
Gervais/Huskins

Bryz
Mason

That team with a more balanced coaching style and a little bit of health could be a very good team.

Lets just hope we win the draft lotto!
This.

Basically, the only player we really need is Jones; someone who can provide offense immediately while sitting next to Coburn, who can go back to his more defensive role.

Timonen - Schenn
Jones - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

I'll take that defense. Now we just need capable goaltending aka back to the "bring back Joacim Eriksson" stuff.

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My only concern with getting Nurse instead of Jones is Jones is ready to step in to the NHL right away where Nurse will need another season of junior hockey and would also benefit from an AHL stint. I don't see the Flyers being that patient.

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My only concern with getting Nurse instead of Jones is Jones is ready to step in to the NHL right away where Nurse will need another season of junior hockey and would also benefit from an AHL stint. I don't see the Flyers being that patient.
Personally I would rather see them send Jones back to junior anyway so it's not a big deal to me. It's unrealistic to expect a teenager to play a big role. Doughty is a rare exception.

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Personally I would rather see them send Jones back to junior anyway so it's not a big deal to me. It's unrealistic to expect a teenager to play a big role. Doughty is a rare exception.
Let's say we get Nurse...

Timonen - Schenn
xxxxxx - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

We still need a PMD.

Then Timonen retires and we hope Nurse and Gostisbehere are NHL ready...

Nurse - Schenn
Gostisbehere - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

I'm not nearly as confident in that defense two years from now as I am in...

Jones - Coburn
Gostisbehere - Schenn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

Right now, 2 or 3 years should be our aim to be a powerhouse once again. I expect nothing less than a competitive playoff run next season, but with Timonen on the way out, things are going to get problematic on our blueline.

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Personally I would rather see them send Jones back to junior anyway so it's not a big deal to me. It's unrealistic to expect a teenager to play a big role. Doughty is a rare exception.
What about Hedman? Johnson? Myers (well, he's having problems now, but not his rookie year)? Larsson (sophomore slump now)? Hamilton? Brodin?

May not be HUGE roles, but they were important and have done well as teenagers.

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Id like to see us get 2 top 10 picks. Keep ours and hopefully be able to get Nurse, then look at trading Coburn+Couturier for 2nd or 3rd overall. Look at signing someone like Hainsey, Streit, Scuderi, White.

Mac/Drouin will most likely be on the team next year, Nurse will take some development time most likely.

Trade Coburn, Couturier
Buyout Briere
Replace Short term with Mac/Drouin, Hainsey/Streit/Scuderi/White, Laughton
Long term with Nurse

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Id like to see us get 2 top 10 picks. Keep ours and hopefully be able to get Nurse, then look at trading Coburn+Couturier for 2nd or 3rd overall. Look at signing someone like Hainsey, Streit, Scuderi, White.

Mac/Drouin will most likely be on the team next year, Nurse will take some development time most likely.

Trade Coburn, Couturier
Buyout Briere
Replace Short term with Mac/Drouin, Hainsey/Streit/Scuderi/White, Laughton
Long term with Nurse
The only point in moving Couturier for 2nd/3rd overall is to get Jones for Coburn + Couturier.

Though I don't agree with that reasoning, there's an argument to be made for having both Jones and Nurse in the pool. And if Nurse comes off the board before you pick, then you're stuck with a forward who will likely not be as good as Couturier, making the trade pretty pointless.

Other than that though, what's the point in trading Coburn on top of Couturier to end up with MacKinnon or Drouin? It's a stupid trade.

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I think we need to begin considering the very real possibility that Nurse isn't on the board when we draft.

EDM could easily be drafting above us--if they lose the game they have in hand, and we finish with the same record over the final games.

FLA - Mackinnon*
COL - Jones
CGY - Drouin
CAR - Wildcard -- could be anyone, really, but assume BPA is Barkov.
TB - Nichushkin
NSH - Lindholm or Monahan
EDM - Monahan or Nurse

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I think we need to begin considering the very real possibility that Nurse isn't on the board when we draft.

EDM could easily be drafting above us--if they lose the game they have in hand, and we finish with the same record over the final games.

FLA - Mackinnon*
COL - Jones
CGY - Drouin
CAR - Wildcard -- could be anyone, really, but assume BPA is Barkov.
TB - Nichushkin
NSH - Lindholm or Monahan
EDM - Monahan or Nurse
If Nurse isn't on the board, I suspect we take a forward; one that should and probably will be flipped for a young PMD anyway.

As I said earlier, Coburn + whoever we pick, is an intriguing start to a package for Weber. Nashville has every reason to trust our scouting department when it comes to forwards.

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If we are putting our draft pick this year(Nurse) in a package when Weber becomes eligible to trade, we need to include Couts as well. People constantly say we(just me typically) need to move on about Weber, but the way these two franchises have played it could make sense. The Flyers are a team about winning right now, and Nashville still refuses to ante up to the cap. Weber wasn't happy about that before, but they were making the playoffs. Now the team is a bottom dweller again with aging veterans on their top lines(Fisher, Legwand) and they really don't have elite offense talent(Save Forsberg, but the jury is still out on him.) Coburn+Nurse(or whoever we pick there) does not make it happen. We need to sweeten the pot, because if Weber's name is out there, the pot will grow.

Also, let it be known, that I fully do not expect Weber to be playing for the Flyers. I just think there is no harm in trying to acquire him again. Me personally would call Poile every off season to see how he feels about Weber and trading him. As a GM you need to keep all your possibilities open, and if you aren't, you should be fired.

Another thing, I know Nashville has to pay him all this money. Look at it from a business stand point though, do you pay him all this money and not make the playoffs?? That teams is very dysfunctional and aren't on the up swing They have big time problems up front scoring that won't be corrected with one offseason. It could be in there best interest to move him and get the young top end talent back for him. They can pay those players min salaries while ridding themselves of that contract.

I would do(saying we pick Nurse)

Couturier
Nurse
1st rounder
Mez(cap dump purposes only)

for

Weber

That would give Nashville three top 10 picks in the last three years(of course two being from this year). If Mez can rebound it would give them a defender that can supply some of the offense missed from Weber.

Flame away, but if the opportunity arises where you are able to get the best defender, I think you need to take it. Might seem like over payment, but that makes us better now and in the future. Laughton can jump into the 3rd line center spot.

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1st rounder
Mez(cap dump purposes only)

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Weber
Nashville wanted Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, and a 1st not to match the OS last year. I can't see them settling for that package.

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