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Cocooning: People increasingly watch sports on TV versus live

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02-19-2013, 04:20 PM
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People don't want to be told after the fact. It's also a terrible angle for any deep throws. It makes sense to use it as a replay angle, but not as the main viewing angle.
I don't want to see how a receiver got wide open after the fact. I don't need to know exactly how many yards a player gained, I can get a general idea based on crowd reaction and how long the play lasts.

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I think reviving this thread is more on-topic that raising the issue in the "Force majeure: Cancellation of Boston-Ottawa game? UPD: Game postponed" thread, which deals with one specific game. A question for everybody... what do you think the effect of the Boston Marathon Bombing will be on pro-sports attendance in general, and NHL in particular?

The original article that I posted in message 1 of this thread mentioned personal safety. But that was more about rowdy fans than bombings. I see an accelaerated shift away from physical attendance to broadcast viewing. The NHL contract will be more profitable for NBC than previously forecast. Teams with weak, fair-weather fanbases will suffer the worst attendance declines.

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/reads first post.

Can't get that Paul Elstak song out of my head now. Sorry.

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I think reviving this thread is more on-topic that raising the issue in the "Force majeure: Cancellation of Boston-Ottawa game? UPD: Game postponed" thread, which deals with one specific game. A question for everybody... what do you think the effect of the Boston Marathon Bombing will be on pro-sports attendance in general, and NHL in particular?

The original article that I posted in message 1 of this thread mentioned personal safety. But that was more about rowdy fans than bombings. I see an accelaerated shift away from physical attendance to broadcast viewing. The NHL contract will be more profitable for NBC than previously forecast. Teams with weak, fair-weather fanbases will suffer the worst attendance declines.
What's the danger? Everyone is sent through metal detectors before they enter the building.

I guess exterior plazas could be vulnerable, but no more so than the equivalent location at a movie theater, concert pavilion, school, hospital, etc. None of which are especially enticing targets to terrorists.

I can see people being skittish about going to parades and other large outdoor public gatherings, but IMO there's nothing particularly dangerous about attending an indoor sporting event.

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At some of the football stadiums, with the huge HD screens, people watch the screen instead of the action on the field.

I watch the jumbo-tron when the puck goes into the corners.

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I can A) Watch every regular season game on Centre Ice in HD on my 110" home theatre unit (epson) that I bought new from a friend for $500 total B) Take my girlfriend to Edmonton for 1 or 2 Oilers game incld. hotel stay.

Both will cost nearly the same.

In some major centres in the US I know transportation is ridiculous so that should fuel the issue. I remember back in 2006 when I was in San Diego trying to take their train system back to downtown and it was a long wait.

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What's the danger? Everyone is sent through metal detectors before they enter the building.

I guess exterior plazas could be vulnerable, but no more so than the equivalent location at a movie theater, concert pavilion, school, hospital, etc. None of which are especially enticing targets to terrorists.

I can see people being skittish about going to parades and other large outdoor public gatherings, but IMO there's nothing particularly dangerous about attending an indoor sporting event.
Agreed. Indoor arenas are pretty straightforward to secure.

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Just a thought about tv and the NHL. Would the complaints about not seeing the full play developed be helped by moving the standard camera viewpoint used back?

But yeah, baseball is better on tv since the pitching can be appreciated more. However, no other sport really gets you outside in a stadium in the summer unless your a CFL/MLS fan.

Football is almost equal for me both live and on tv. Honestly, some of the higher seats in a football game are actually better for watching plays.

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I don't attend games because from my house, I can watch any game, anywhere. From my house, any one of those games cost my pennies to watch as a portion of my annual Center Ice package, versus paying 1/2 of my total package's cost for two tickets in the nose bleeds. From my house, hotdogs are 2 for $1. An entire case of beer is nearly less than the cost of two brews at the game. Parking in my driveway is free. The wait at the bathroom is nonexistent, and the facilities are impeccably clean. No travel time. No gas money. No parking costs.

Quite frankly, it's amazing anyone goes to more than a few games a year. With costs continuing to rise, it'll be the upper middle class attending all the games regardless of what city you're referring to. Cocooning is occurring because quite frankly, they're not trying to grow the game. They're trying to squeeze every last dollar possible out of the rich, and the rich can accommodate them. Everyone else just watches from the sidelines as economics dictate.

It's tough to make new fans and get new blood to show up at the rink when everyone raises their prices to all time highs, even after they just had a work stoppage. Hockey fans are nuts of the highest level. Hockey fans are among the most affluent in all of sports. We still haven't reached a price point that keeps but the smallest bunch away.


No.... what happens when they leave the ticket price low is that if the demand is there they are all sold at a profit on the secondary market.

It is what it is and money talks.

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most sports that are on tv do a sufficient job of capturing the play as it happens.

hockey is like any other sport written viewed in person, you can watch the things that happen away grim the focal point of the play. in baseball you can see an outfield shift, see guys getting up in the pen. football you can see blown coverage as it happens. etc etc

I think its tough to argue with modern technology that any sport is better viewed in person. for the all the so called advantages you have limited access to replays, pay insane prices, and can't watch something else if the game is boring.

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Maybe if it didn't cost me $500 to see one NHL game I'd go to a couple more. I really should move to Glendale.

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I love hockey live, but after being at work a good 9 hours, I hate to just get home then go back out, then just get home only to go straight to bed. No time to eat dinner, have to spend more money to eat arena junk. Usually can't afford better seats, stuck by annoying fans of the opposing team, elbowing me, yelling in my ear, kids kicking the chair, things like that. We would try to go to weekend games, and probably will next season if possible. Sometimes dealing with parking and traffic afterwards is just a pain and its easier to come home and head to the couch and go to my own bathroom and be at home.

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No.... what happens when they leave the ticket price low is that if the demand is there they are all sold at a profit on the secondary market.

It is what it is and money talks.
This. Through the secondary market we can clearly see the real current demand out there for arena viewing in most cities.

Long term trends are more difficult to predict. In 20-40 years TV technology might be so outrageously superior that arena viewing demand might come way down, to the point that tickets become cheaper and arenas smaller.

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"cocooning" has been a "trend' since the 90's when every yuppie couple bought a VCR. see Popcorn, Faith.

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Yes you mock it but the reality it has played out in the market where technology has put tremendous pressure on a number of formerly widespread live events. First out were porno theatres, along with variety/music/comedy shows, now hollywood film theatres are under bigtime pressure (declining audiences), next up is most likely live sports.

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^ The thing is, that's not what the article means by "cocooning". I would agree that technology is putting pressure on live event attendance -- but not because people never leave their houses or whatever.

I could very easily imagine live sports making a major transition in the next ~30 years toward being a more exclusive, luxurious event with much smaller crowds being admitted at much higher prices. The trend is already there -- new arenas are smaller, with large sections of the seating reserved for luxury boxes and club seats. As technology chips away at the downsides of home viewing, the organizations are coming up with ways to make the live experience more like being at home. You park in a reserved spot, enter through an exclusive door, go to your nice reserved box and have a meal from the buffet while sitting in your plush seat. And of course, it costs $200 a head to get that experience.

It should be interesting to see how the next few arenas are designed. I'm betting that we see more and more emphasis on raising the dollars-per-seat and less emphasis on number-of-seats-per-arena. That's the only way to pay for the amenities that are now becoming an expectation for consumers.

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^ The thing is, that's not what the article means by "cocooning". I would agree that technology is putting pressure on live event attendance -- but not because people never leave their houses or whatever.

I could very easily imagine live sports making a major transition in the next ~30 years toward being a more exclusive, luxurious event with much smaller crowds being admitted at much higher prices. The trend is already there -- new arenas are smaller, with large sections of the seating reserved for luxury boxes and club seats. As technology chips away at the downsides of home viewing, the organizations are coming up with ways to make the live experience more like being at home. You park in a reserved spot, enter through an exclusive door, go to your nice reserved box and have a meal from the buffet while sitting in your plush seat. And of course, it costs $200 a head to get that experience.

It should be interesting to see how the next few arenas are designed. I'm betting that we see more and more emphasis on raising the dollars-per-seat and less emphasis on number-of-seats-per-arena. That's the only way to pay for the amenities that are now becoming an expectation for consumers.
And that's expensive? I get so depressed when I see U S game costs.

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And that's expensive? I get so depressed when I see U S game costs.
Any way you cut it, that's getting close to "name your price and I'll pay it" territory for 2 hours of entertainment.

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Honestly watching a game on TV pales in comparison to the live experience
Obviously the atmosphere involved with attending a game live can't be matched by watching on TV. However, I just can't justify going to games. I have a gorgeous television to watch. I get instant replay. World class commentators. My bathroom is immaculate, and there's never a line. The food gets brought to my door with the push of a button. I can watch all the games being played with the flick of a wrist. I can often watch games from 1 in the afternoon until 1 in the morning without ever leaving my chair. And...I do all of this for an entire season for little more than the cost of attending a couple games that last 3 hours.

There are only so many people out there that can afford to make 41 NHL games a year in person, part of budget, too. I enjoy having hockey as part of my life, but I simply can't devote the time or monetary resources to make being a regular attendee of NHL games a reality. Not sure I would if I could. I live in Philly and I'm not a Flyers fan. As someone else mentioned earlier, I think the league does indeed need to attempt to shift away from being a gate driven league, no matter what it takes in order to do so.

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The price is right.

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And that's expensive? I get so depressed when I see U S game costs.
Don't feel bad bud i feel your pain for something like that in MSG would run you about 700-850 a pop. The 1st row in the upper bowl next year is going to be 160 each a game for season ticket holders!!

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Don't feel bad bud i feel your pain for something like that in MSG would run you about 700-850 a pop. The 1st row in the upper bowl next year is going to be 160 each a game for season ticket holders!!
Yep the type of seating described just isn't meant for the avg. Guy. A city like New York, no doubt has about 10,000 citizens earning over a million per year, then there are the big spender world travellers just visiting for a few days, paying a couple of grand a night for their hotel.

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The NHL is stupid and won't react in time. It has been trending for years.

If there was a brain in the head office, or even in the league, they'd be chasing the gamers with interactive TV and **** like that. Watch an NFL game and you will see camera shots that mimic the gaming. Let people control cam feeds and stuff with gaming controls and you will grow the game. Duh!

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If you write off the tickets as a business entertainment expense, it gets a lot cheaper. Just saying.

I that Tarheel made an astute observation, in that the event add-ons keep evolving and help make the event more comfortable, more attractive. In the evolving world of entertainment options, I think there is always going to be room for the authentic experience of live entertainment, especially if it's a *special* experience. Sure dingy porn theatres may be closed, but in person erotica remains big business. Stadia rock concerts may be soft, but the Rolling Stones are commanding hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars a seat. Movie theatres may be facing competition, but my city now has 75 film festivals. And so on. It's not doom and gloom, hockey is just going to have to keep pace.

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If the NHL doesn't follow the Manufactured "Ra-Ra" Environment of the NFL and NBA, it will still get people to come to games for a long time.

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