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Rangers @ Flyers | 4/16/13 | Backups

View Poll Results: 3 Biggest Losers
Henrik Lundqvist 27 27.27%
Dan Girardi 6 6.06%
Michael Del Zotto 19 19.19%
Anton Stralman 5 5.05%
John Moore 9 9.09%
Steve Eminger 9 9.09%
Ryan McDonagh 11 11.11%
Darrell Powe 5 5.05%
Arron Asham 4 4.04%
Taylor Pyatt 19 19.19%
Brian Boyle 13 13.13%
Brad Richards 51 51.52%
Ryane Clowe 13 13.13%
Derick Brassard 11 11.11%
Carl Hagelin 11 11.11%
Mats Zuccarello 21 21.21%
Rick Nash 22 22.22%
Derek Stepan 12 12.12%
Ryan Callahan 32 32.32%
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04-16-2013, 11:09 PM
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Nobody is complaining about Nash's numbers here, the other aspects to his game are Bantam level. Not only can he be any worse defensively, he actually makes it easier to score on Lundqvist when he does his "hero slide" which ALWAYS misses. He floats in the neutral and offensive zone when he gets muscled off the puck or double-teamed, he seems to have a very low offensive IQ in the offensive zone. He shoots when he should pass, and if something isn't there, he keeps on trying. Either he doesn't have trust in his line-mates, or he is so used to playing as a 1 man show, that he is set in his ways. I don't even think Tortorella talks to him or studies film with him. Tortorella says he's "low maintenance" so that's good enough for him, just go out and play big boy, you're Canadian, all is forgiven. Sorry Torts, but your time is running out, your shelf life is past expired, if you were milk, I'd throw you out the window that's how old your system is. It's 2013, incorporate offense into the game or get forced out of the league you came into being a PP specialist ( how ironic).

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04-16-2013, 11:10 PM
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Where has Callahan been?
MIA.....not leading this team. Not the same player, just a shell since the shoulder "Subluxation" ot whatever it's called

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I'm almost upset at myself being excited for this piece of crap team's games. I actually thought they turned a corner winning a thriller in Long Island. I honestly hope they lose on Thursday too, so we can speed up the process of out with the old, in with the new. Keep Sullivan with our D, hire an offensive minded coach who actually adapts in-game to give us a chance to win. This roster is capable of so much more.

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04-16-2013, 11:13 PM
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Nobody is complaining about Nash's numbers here, the other aspects to his game are Bantam level. Not only can he be any worse defensively, he actually makes it easier to score on Lundqvist when he does his "hero slide" which ALWAYS misses. He floats in the neutral and offensive zone when he gets muscled off the puck or double-teamed, he seems to have a very low offensive IQ in the offensive zone. He shoots when he should pass, and if something isn't there, he keeps on trying. Either he doesn't have trust in his line-mates, or he is so used to playing as a 1 man show, that he is set in his ways. I don't even think Tortorella talks to him or studies film with him. Tortorella says he's "low maintenance" so that's good enough for him, just go out and play big boy, you're Canadian, all is forgiven. Sorry Torts, but your time is running out, your shelf life is past expired, if you were milk, I'd throw you out the window that's how old your system is. It's 2013, incorporate offense into the game or get forced out of the league you came into being a PP specialist ( how ironic).
Touche.....couldn't have said it any better. I really like the Milk reference.......he really is waaay beyonf his shelf life. EXPIRED and MOLDED more like

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04-16-2013, 11:13 PM
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Counting on one guy to be the answer.
It's not really working. Would you not prefer some savvy, energetic and confident playmaking involving all linemates, and the defense chipping in while covering for each other?
I know I would. Other teams seem to at least practice that type of teamwork.
I don't want one guy to do everything. He was brought in here to be a game breaker. He's been quiet for a few games.
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Gotta be kidding me...

Nash leads the team in goals (17), tied with Stepan for most points (35), and leads the team by a large margin with 157 shots on goal.

All that aside, the guy has scored huge goals for us this season and been a game-breaker on most every night he plays.

He is not the issue, the issue has been secondary scoring and the power play. All. Season. Long.
Where did I say he was the issue? OR having a weak season? It's fairly obvious without Nash and Stepan we wouldn't score ANY goals. All I'm saying is he's been quiet since that game in Toronto. I'm not saying any of it is on Nash, only that in a game where the team looked like **** and couldn't score, it would've been pretty sweet for Nash to say "screw this system and this ****, I got this" and to score. Not saying he's the problem, not saying it's his fault we lost, not saying any of what you implied.

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so not only does Nashty have to beat the 3 forwards, 2 Defensemen, and the Goalie, but also Torts System.

Man.........that's asking a hell of alot from one man isn't it???
I think he has it in him!

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04-16-2013, 11:14 PM
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I'm almost upset at myself being excited for this piece of crap team's games. I actually thought they turned a corner winning a thriller in Long Island. I honestly hope they lose on Thursday too, so we can speed up the process of out with the old, in with the new. Keep Sullivan with our D, hire an offensive minded coach who actually adapts in-game to give us a chance to win. This roster is capable of so much more.


He's the first one that needs to go.

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Now that Gaborik is gone you are saying the exact same thing that was said about Gaborik but about Nash...you can't have a perfect player.

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He's the first one that needs to go.
Sullivan is a total scapegoat. He has done wonders with our defenseman, he's gotten more out of all of them than many of us expected.

He's a terrible PP coach, but he really should be kept on as a defensive coach.

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He's the first one that needs to go.
No he just needs to never work on our PP. He's actually really great with the young D kids.

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Sullivan is a total scapegoat. He has done wonders with our defenseman, he's gotten more out of all of them than many of us expected.

He's a terrible PP coach, but he really should be kept on as a defensive coach.
Spot on. I'd keep him around and bring in a coach who would be willing to try a different approach with his advice as well.

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I don't want one guy to do everything. He was brought in here to be a game breaker. He's been quiet for a few games.
....snip...
The problem is, with the way the Rangers don't do fluid fast paced instinctual hockey, guys like Nash get dragged down too by what's around them. Look at Callahan's game. Why does he look so dragged down?
I don't pretend to have answers, but there's no way I can look at the way they play and not look at the entire team mental makeup. Something just not right.

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Honestly, the PP is so bad I don't care how good he is with our D-men. I'm sure we can find someone just as good as him with D-men who also knows how to run a powerplay. Even if he's half as good with D-men as Sullivan is but only a small percentage better at running a powerplay I'd do it in a heartbeat.

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Honestly, the PP is so bad I don't care how good he is with our D-men. I'm sure we can find someone just as good as him with D-men who also knows how to run a powerplay. Even if he's half as good with D-men as Sullivan is but only a small percentage better at running a powerplay I'd do it in a heartbeat.
You know they can keep Sullivan and hire someone else to handle the PP...right?

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You know they can keep Sullivan and hire someone else to handle the PP...right?
Just don't see him not getting the axe as well if Torts goes. And Torts only runs a 2 man bench, so they aren't bringing in anyone else.

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He only handles the PP because Torts clearly does not give a **** about that part of the game. If he did he would have stepped in by now. Did he do this in TB?

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The problem is, with the way the Rangers don't do fluid fast paced instinctual hockey, guys like Nash get dragged down too by what's around them. Look at Callahan's game. Why does he look so dragged down?
I don't pretend to have answers, but there's no way I can look at the way they play and not look at the entire team mental makeup. Something just not right.
That's a good point, I agree

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Even if Nash has been quiet the last couple games, the fact that calling out the rest of the team is beating a dead horse at this point shouldn't absolve them from continuing to be called out. Just because it's getting tiresome to say "The rest of the team needs to step up" shouldn't mean everything should suddenly be directed at Nash for not being our Lundqvist-esque forward (Meaning, if he doesn't score/have a massive game, we may as well pack it in). Nash is a game-breaker, we've seen it multiple times already including some very clutch goals. Callahan has been a no-show for 75% of this season. Hagelin has to get back to where he was. Our blue line needs to get something going. MDZ, our supposed offensive defenseman, has just 2 more points than McDonagh and 6 more points than Staal in twice as many games (MDZ is 3-14-17; Staal is 2-9-11).

Long in the short, this team has no identity again aside from desperately trying to imitate their identity from last season. It just feels like the only identity this organization has is attempting to mimic something else from someone else.

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When you read the post game comments, you hear a lot of "We have to". We have to do this, we have to do that. Funny how they never actually DO what they say that they have to do. Probably because they are incapable of doing so.

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Simply observed, look at how the new guys played before they practiced with the team and before the on-ice and off-ice film sessions with the genius coach. Look at the tape. They looked like a "safe is death" team in the 2 Pittsburgh games, flying out of the zone, making crisp passes and getting chances on the rush. Now they are back to being a "boring as death" team again. This dude would make Wayne Gretzky a 25 goal man. Paul Coffey? he would have run him out of town like Gaborik. heck, he nearly destroyed Lecvalier. That Tampa team as loaded with talent. They won the cup then finished last the next year and he got canned. The worst thing that could have happened, that flukey run last year, has us in a very bad spot now. Torts could not coach the team we had, because he refused to adapt so we tossed away a 40 goal scorer. Now everyone is draped all over Nash and Richards is a shell of his former self.

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Things I'm ok with:

That brief period where Richards's line dominated for what seemed like a 2 and a half minute shift.
Most of the third.
40 shots.
Callahan looked much, much better this game.
Zucc breaks through on the score sheet.
Brass

Things I'm very upset about:
A goal off of a broken play
A goal after Nash fails backchecking school and his man scores.
A goal after Richards loses a faceoff so cleanly I could eat off of it.
Torts for putting Richards on a defensive zone PK faceoff.
Nash somehow managed to be the worst forward on the ice tonight.
Asham picking the worst possible time to get his face rearranged.
Slowe Clowe
Remember when Carl Hagelin put up points?
Brad Richards+Brian Boyle
Henrik Lundqvist and Steve Mason Swapping jerseys before the game.

Things that made me cry:
The look on Brian Boyle's face. He tried so hard to get into the game, but you can tell he's a million miles away.

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Just watched this pathetic game on DVR. I swear we all have an addiction, there is no reason for this team to make the playoffs (I suspect they will) as they're not a real contender, and making the playoffs will just convince management (such as it is) to keep doing the smae thing over and over again.

Some thoughts:

1. Power play has sucked for at least three years. It is costing big-time.

2. Why is Taylor Pyatt in the NHL?

3. These constant line changes are a good part of the reason we can't score, along with the fact that the defensemen can't hit the net.

4. Like Brassard and Moore's games. I'm not sorry about the Gaborik trade.

5. If Stahl ever can come back, I hope they sit Emminger, not Moore.

6. They need to buy out Brad Richards. I always liked him, but he is very much on the downside, and I don't think he's coming back to form in the future.

7. Tortorella's style and coaching is wasting a lot of talent, particular Hagelin. Hagelin needs to play with Stepan and Nash, he creates but can't finish. Also, he would make up for a lot of Nash's defensive lapses.

8. Like so many others, I hate this boring grinding style and would love to have a different coach (not Lindy Ruff, please) next year. Don't forget we do have Lundqvist, he doesn't need five other goalies.

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You know what's pretty pathetic...

If we had gotten a lucky goal on one of our 40 shots and won this game in a shoot out, you'd all be calling it a heart and soul comeback and a game we deserved to win.

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I don't get how people can say Nash is playing poorly.

Nash and Stepan are the only forwards I have zero complaints about.

EDIT: Can somebody explain to me this Nash is a defensive liability thing? I've never really noticed it.

And I know +/- isn't the best indicator of defensive ability, but Nash is +14.

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This team looks like its fine being mediocre. No hustle, energy, nothing. Only the Rangers look more tired than a team who just had a back to back. Everyone was skating in mud. Pisses me right off.

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You know what's pretty pathetic...

If we had gotten a lucky goal on one of our 40 shots and won this game in a shoot out, you'd all be calling it a heart and soul comeback and a game we deserved to win.
So true. I had people jumping down my throat when I was saying the Rangers didn't play well when we beat the Leafs in the shootout last week.

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