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04-15-2013, 05:04 PM
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Yep ... pretty much ... just wait until Matt Greene takes a roughing/holding/hooking penalty and all the usual suspects will come out of the woodworks screaming ... "Greene you idiot", "Neanderthal", "You F'ing Moron", etc.

I could even almost name names of those that will post this crap, it's childish and obviously does nothing to help anyone or improve the level of discussion during the GDT/PGT threads, it's just the COOL, hip thing to do I guess so many jump on board that bandwagon.
I agree.

I am hard on Lolerby though not a hater by any means but he is a serviceable young giant Dman who is still developing his trade. There are times when he plays very solid and poised. There are also times when you can clearly see the panic in his game. As time has gone on the panic moments are lessening and that is the way it goes for young/rookie d in the NHL. Big kids take longer period. It is a statement of fact so Killerbee is going to need time and guidence to come out but he has all the tools to do so and I think it is just a matter of time.

With MG and WM in the line up we would have JM as our #7 right now and A Mart would likely be right were he needs to be. Things don't work out the way we want them to and here we are. I like our D depth and potential more today then I did to start this season and Ellerby is a part of the reason why.

MG is going to be frustrating because he can be frustrating but we have just had a very in depth lesson in what we are like without him and hopefully all of us can now see him for what he is and how important it is to have him on the team.

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04-15-2013, 05:19 PM
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To be fair I dislike both equally and want Martinez to replace either one of them to unite our Greene/amart pair.
To be fair Martinez hasn't been all that great this season either, but I think some of that can be attributed to his injuries.

I think we are all a little spoiled. Most teams have at least one defenseman skating in their top 6 that is a notch below Ellerby and Muzzin.

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04-15-2013, 05:24 PM
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Wonderful news for the Kings.

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04-15-2013, 05:26 PM
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I think we are all a little spoiled. Most teams have at least one defenseman skating in their top 6 that is a notch below Ellerby and Muzzin.
YEP ... Hell we just traded one to Montreal for a 5th

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04-15-2013, 05:30 PM
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I think Ellerby has done serviceable. Same with Muzzin and Martinez.

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04-15-2013, 05:31 PM
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To be fair Martinez hasn't been all that great this season either, but I think some of that can be attributed to his injuries.

I think we are all a little spoiled. Most teams have at least one defenseman skating in their top 6 that is a notch below Ellerby and Muzzin.
I don't think it is about being spoiled. Who is going to be satisfied watching a player who forces errors? The guy is a comedy of errors. Ellerby handles the puck like it's a grenade, his passes are easily read and constantly intercepted, he continuously fails to clear the zone, he misses assignments, he gets beat by players who go wide against him: to summarize, Ellerby is a player who is lacking in hockey IQ.

We've seen this before with the likes of Joe Corvo and Randy Jones, but at the very least they were good at something, which is skating and creating offense. Ellerby isn't good at anything in particular. He's just a big body out there who rarely uses his size.

And this isn't a scapegoat being outcast thing. Let's call a spade a spade. How often do we see a shift from Ellerby where we're thankful that he's on the ice?

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04-15-2013, 06:45 PM
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Not sure if I understand the hatred for Ellerby. Guess Kings fans always need a whiping boy and he drew the short straw. He is a young defenseman that hasnt been awful. Made some mistakes but no more than Muzzin.
Agreed

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04-15-2013, 06:48 PM
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Ellerby as a whipping boy i think is warranted. At least muzzin follows up mistakes with great individual plays, like a big check, or a great pass or shot...Muzzin is capable of making game breaking plays. I'm ok with a GAFF here and there, we give doughty a pass for it, so why not muzzin? I don't want this team playing timid like they did under TM.

Ellerby is well capable of making mistakes..and then follows it up by.... MAYBE not making mistakes. He offers no toughness, he offers no offensive savvyness. he's a younger-ish big body that can skate decently...but my biggest complaint is that his hockey IQ just doesn't seem very high. He had a good 3 game stretch and i thought i saw him turning some sort of corner... I'm all for defenseman being invisible.. i think that can be a good thing... but Ellerby doesn't quite have the subtelties or hockey IQ to be invisible.

Would love to see ellerby scratched for Greener... muzzin / ellerby pairing makes me nervous... having greener on muzzin's wing will allow him to do things he has done earlier in the year that makes him effective and helps out this team.
I think Greene would be a good mentor for Ellerby

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04-15-2013, 06:49 PM
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He's drawn the short straw because he has played some brutal defensive hockey, often gets trapped in his own zone and doesn't contribute anything offensively to make up for it, simple as that. His hockey IQ and ability with the puck are severely lacking. Every other defenseman on the Kings roster, including the one that got sent to MTL is a better defenseman than Ellerby. As such, naturally the guy is going to come under a lot of criticism.

It will be better for the team when he is not in the lineup and fortunately that appears to be coming soon. No player on this team should be beyond critique.

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04-15-2013, 07:02 PM
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Ellerby has his derp moments but he's still playing and Martinez is eating popcorn upstairs.

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Fantastic!

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04-15-2013, 07:57 PM
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Good news everyone!

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04-15-2013, 08:35 PM
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04-15-2013, 09:25 PM
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Even when Greene makes dumb decisions, he makes up for them with his physicality, shot blocking, and PK ability. And leadership. Keaton doesn't do jack ****.

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04-16-2013, 01:23 AM
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I know we're all happy to get Greene back but we should be preparing ourselves for him to be rusty as ****. That being said, I'm sure he'll still block a shot or two with his face....

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04-16-2013, 01:59 AM
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I know we're all happy to get Greene back but we should be preparing ourselves for him to be rusty as ****. That being said, I'm sure he'll still block a shot or two with his face....
I thought he was terrible in the first game of the year, but then again he was playing severely hurt so I can't hold it against him. I really think if he can get 4 games in he'll be solid enough in the playoffs. Question for those who play as I have not in a league, is it easier for a defensemen to come off a layoff like this or a forward? I would tend to think d-men would have it easier as conditioning i would think would be a little less of a factor (still important, just not as much so as forwards).

If the Kings can beat San Jose, I say let Greene run loose in the remaining games as the kings should be able to take 4th place.

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04-16-2013, 04:59 AM
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Awesome news. We've really missed him, especially on the PK.

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I worry that i have over hyped his return. some of his bad penalties are starting to come back to me.

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Great news:

Regehr -- Doughty
Scuderi -- Voynov
Greene -- Muzzin / Martinez
Muzzin will be GREAT paired with Greene.


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Not sure if I understand the hatred for Ellerby. Guess Kings fans always need a whiping boy and he drew the short straw. He is a young defenseman that hasnt been awful. Made some mistakes but no more than Muzzin.
Problem is Muzzin seems to get away with it a little more. I don't know if its because Muzz is a rookie or if it is simply that Ells is the new whipping boy.

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04-16-2013, 07:22 PM
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I think Greene would be a good mentor for Ellerby
^ this. Greene has leadership skills and is a veteran. Everyone is saying that Muzzin and Amart were awful b/c they were paired with an unexpieriened player. The same could b said for why ellerby hasn't been the greatest either. Pairing him with Greene could really help his development

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04-16-2013, 08:44 PM
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Problem is Muzzin seems to get away with it a little more. I don't know if its because Muzz is a rookie or if it is simply that Ells is the new whipping boy.
Muzzin does a lot of things that frustrate me too, but ultimately he does have offensive contributions that give him some slack. I don't think he should be playing with Ellerby, they are not good together. The pairing seems to highlight both their faults in a glaring manner.

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Muzzin does a lot of things that frustrate me too, but ultimately he does have offensive contributions that give him some slack. I don't think he should be playing with Ellerby, they are not good together. The pairing seems to highlight both their faults in a glaring manner.
I agree, I had no problem with Ellerby and thought Muzzin was doing great before they were paired together. I don't mind who plays with Greene, hopefully Sutter will rotate A-Mart, Muzz, and Keaton until they find the best pairing.

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04-16-2013, 09:19 PM
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I agree, I had no problem with Ellerby and thought Muzzin was doing great before they were paired together. I don't mind who plays with Greene, hopefully Sutter will rotate A-Mart, Muzz, and Keaton until they find the best pairing.
see now that is a good idea. plus they need to ease greene in anyway and work on chemistry. Amart, Muzz and Ells could all benefit from playing with a steady, experienced, veteran like Greene

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04-17-2013, 12:17 AM
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see now that is a good idea. plus they need to ease greene in anyway and work on chemistry. Amart, Muzz and Ells could all benefit from playing with a steady, experienced, veteran like Greene
Amart and Muzz, yes, Ellerby, not so much. It's nothing personal, but Muzz and Amart have some offensive ability whereas Ellerby is pretty much a SAH dman. Sutter likes to pair a SAH dman with a PMD.

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