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04-16-2013, 06:26 PM
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Weakest team to ever make the Finals...

The 2003 Mighty Ducks:


Regular season
-Top 3 goal scorers accounted for 79 out of 203 goals(no one else had more than 12)
-Only 5 regulars were a +(Carney, Havelid, Chistov, Salei, Krog)
-5 players were between -7 and -9(Sykora, Vishnevski, Leclerc, Chouinard, Kjellberg) and 2 were worse than -10(Rucchin at -14 and Sauer at -23)


Playoffs
-In 7 of their 15 wins, scored either 1 or 2 goals
-10 of their 15 wins were either in overtime, or the winning goal was scored with 5 minutes or less remaining in the 3rd
-Allowed 29.5 shots/60 minutes. It was over 30 until the Devils series


Will any team ever top the '03 Ducks in this regard?

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In my lifetime:

82 Canucks
91 North Stars
96 Panthers
03 Ducks
99 Caps

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91 North Stars by a nose over the 82 Canucks. These two miles and away the worst.

Other really mediocre teams in no order:

2012 Devils
2010 Flyers
2006 Oilers
2003 Ducks
1996 Panthers
1968-70 Blues

That would be my list

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04-16-2013, 07:55 PM
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In my lifetime:

82 Canucks
91 North Stars
96 Panthers
03 Ducks
99 Caps
Replace "Capitals" by "Sabres" and you're right on.

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the 2006 canes yes staal had his best season up until this season, but if roloson dosent blow his knee out the oilers win. or if bufflao dosent lose all there dmen to injury they win

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Replace "Capitals" by "Sabres" and you're right on.
exactly, without hasek that team is really really weak.

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Easily the 82 Canucks.

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Probably the 1967-68 Blues who won the expansion division and were swept in the finals.


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Not the worst, but any consideration for the '45 Red Wings? Bolstered a little bit by a young Lindsay, Quackenbush and Lumley, so the names are there a little bit more, but they were just kids at the time...other than that, it's mostly Syd Howe and a whole lot of spare parts...as you might expect in a War year.

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1937-38 Chicago Blackhawks

1937-38 Chicago Blackhawks, losing regular season record, 14-25-9, yet they won the Stanley Cup:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CBH/1938.html

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Since the WHA merger, I'd say it's between '82 Canucks, '98 Caps, and '91 Stars. The Caps were actually pretty good that year, but they had a rather easy road to the finals. The Stars were not good during the regular season, but they beat the teams with the two best winning %s in the NHL, along with the defending champs. The Canucks basically combined the worst of both, not very good during the regular season and an easy road to the finals.

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Not the worst, but any consideration for the '45 Red Wings? Bolstered a little bit by a young Lindsay, Quackenbush and Lumley, so the names are there a little bit more, but they were just kids at the time...other than that, it's mostly Syd Howe and a whole lot of spare parts...as you might expect in a War year.
Detroit was the second best team in the league and had winning records (often significantly) against every team but Montreal, who thrashed them.

You also forget; Flash Hollett scored 20 goals that year, and was fourth in Hart voting ahead of S.Howe's 5th. He also was named to the first-team defense (the only first-teamer not with the Canadiens - including the coach). He was one of three Wings defensemen (Hollett, Jack Stewart, Bill Quackenbush) to receive the honor at least once between 44-45 and 47-48.

Hollett, Carl Liscombe, Mud Bruneteau, and Joe Carveth all scored 20+ goals for Detroit, plus Howe's 17. Montreal had five 20+ scorers, and Toronto and Boston each also had four.

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Since the WHA merger, I'd say it's between '82 Canucks, '98 Caps, and '91 Stars. The Caps were actually pretty good that year, but they had a rather easy road to the finals. The Stars were not good during the regular season, but they beat the teams with the two best winning %s in the NHL, along with the defending champs. The Canucks basically combined the worst of both, not very good during the regular season and an easy road to the finals.
The Caps were my immediate thought. Outside of Bondra, Oates and Kolzig, they didn't have much of a team. Joe Juneau, Sergei Gonchar, Calle Johansson, Esa Tikkanen, Andrei Nikolishin, Phil Housley, Mark Tinordi, Brian Bellows.

There's your list of key players for the 1998 Caps. The league's leading goal scorer, his center, one of the better goalies in the league, a good young defenseman, and a bunch of veterans at various positions with various levels of wear and tear but middling levels of skill left at best.

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the 2006 canes yes staal had his best season up until this season, but if roloson dosent blow his knee out the oilers win. or if bufflao dosent lose all there dmen to injury they win
If Markkanen was on the bench, not Conklin when Roloson got injured, Edmonton win.

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If Markkanen was on the bench, not Conklin when Roloson got injured, Edmonton win.
or if conklin dosnt play the puck behind the net they win

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For the love of god. The 2006 playoffs must be the most historically revised series of events since what happened on the grassy knoll.

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1937-38 Chicago Blackhawks, losing regular season record, 14-25-9, yet they won the Stanley Cup:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CBH/1938.html
Ok, this is a bit hard to beat.

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Probably the 1967-68 Blues who won the expansion division and were swept in the finals.
Add 68-69, and 69-70...swept each time

No expansion team won a playoff game vs an O6 team until the following year

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Add 68-69, and 69-70...swept each time

No expansion team won a playoff game vs an O6 team until the following year
1967-68 Blues were the best of the three Blues teams to make the SC Finals. They lost four games by one goal, including two overtime games. 1969 and 1970 the goal differential was 9 and 13 respectively.

Looking at two previous O6 sweeps, 1960 and 1952, the goal differential was 10 and 9 goals with no overtime games.

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Ok, this is a bit hard to beat.
Going from memory, I believe the Black Hawks had started the season with an all-American lineup which led to a lot of losses. They wised up and improved the roster during the season.

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I dunno if they were the weakest because I don't know hockey before the 90s but the 2006 Oilers were a fluke in an anomoly season. They got hot goaltending and Pronger made some of their guys look good.

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The 1991 North Stars were garbage. Their PP just clicked in the postseason.

Actually, "clicked" is a massive understatement.

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the 2006 canes yes staal had his best season up until this season, but if roloson dosent blow his knee out the oilers win. or if bufflao dosent lose all there dmen to injury they win
Do you even realize that before he got injured, the Oilers blew a 3-0 lead in that very same match?

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1937-38 Chicago Blackhawks, losing regular season record, 14-25-9, yet they won the Stanley Cup:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CBH/1938.html
'49 TML also had a losing record, but won the cup, and lost only 1 playoff game. '48 TML had the best record and won the cup. i don't know why TML were that much weaker in '49, but loss of syl apps must have been important. their GA was still good, but their GF was 2nd worst.

i think '38 chicago would have to rank lower than TML, b/c TML had winning records in '47, '48 and '50, and were a dynasty. it's strange though that chicago made the finals 3 times in '30s, but also missed the playoffs several times.

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The 1991 North Stars were garbage. Their PP just clicked in the postseason.

Actually, "clicked" is a massive understatement.
that PP set some records. i think it was at nearly 30%. iirc, they broke an oilers' record for PP goals even before they reached the finals.

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91 North Stars by a nose over the 82 Canucks. These two miles and away the worst.

Other really mediocre teams in no order:

2012 Devils
2010 Flyers
2006 Oilers
2003 Ducks
1996 Panthers
1968-70 Blues

That would be my list
Poor regular season, but other than in net, that '10 Flyers team was strong enough to avoid a list like this.

The 96 Panthers also played a stifling brand of defense and had the types of guys who could play it. They couldn't score, but their success continued for a few more seasons with mostly the same guys because, stylistically, they were a match for the way the game was called at the time.

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