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04-15-2013, 12:16 PM
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Sharp has a NTC. How the hell are you going to get him to waive that?
So did Campbell.

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So did Campbell.
Yeah, so he did. I think this is a tougher nut to crack but you never know.

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So did Campbell.
Campbell and his contract took a lot of flak for the 2010 purge from fans. Almost his entire time in Chicago was filled with people shouting about how overpaid he was. He seemed pretty happy to jump ship to be with Dale in Florida. I don't blame him either; he was overpaid and we needed to trade him, but the amount of hate he got for that contract constantly overshadowed how good of a player he was.

On the other hand, Sharp is a fan, team, and front office favorite. I remember Bowman making a point of saying publicly in Summer 2010 that Sharp was not even close to being on the block. Say what you will about Bowman, but the few times when he says something to the media, he tends to stick to it.

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Trade Sharp?

This board get's dumber by the day.

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04-15-2013, 01:08 PM
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Trade Sharp?

This board get's dumber by the day.
You can call people dumb but please don't abuse an apostrophe in the process.

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04-15-2013, 01:23 PM
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Hmmm, trying to decide which idea is dumber, trading sharp or buying out Hossa.

...both are incredibly unrealistic and stupid but it is fun reading some of your guy's craziness and short-sided nonsense

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04-15-2013, 01:54 PM
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Hmmm, trying to decide which idea is dumber, trading sharp or buying out Hossa.

...both are incredibly unrealistic and stupid but it is fun reading some of your guy's craziness and short-sided nonsense
Buying out Hossa was brought up if he retires and leaves the Hawks with an 18 mil cap hit for that last season. I think that was obvious to everyone except you.

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04-15-2013, 02:05 PM
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It did get brought up before the new CBA.

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04-15-2013, 03:24 PM
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Buying out Hossa was brought up if he retires and leaves the Hawks with an 18 mil cap hit for that last season. I think that was obvious to everyone except you.
^This^

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04-15-2013, 06:10 PM
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I really like Sharp, but his being injured so much this year makes his contract not near worth it.

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04-16-2013, 01:45 PM
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It will only get interesting when Toews and Kane need to get their new contracts

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I really like Sharp, but his being injured so much this year makes his contract not near worth it.
Injuries happen, so when Toews was concussed lat year and missed more games then Sharp has this year he wasn't worth it. By that standard the Penguins better buy out Crosby now, so not worth it.

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Injuries happen, so when Toews was concussed lat year and missed more games then Sharp has this year he wasn't worth it. By that standard the Penguins better buy out Crosby now, so not worth it.
Sharp certainly was not playing at the same level as 19. Sharp had the wrist, out/ineffective. Sharp has the shoulder, out/ineffective, no comparison at all.

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04-16-2013, 07:28 PM
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I'm sure it's the same folks who wanted Sharp re-signed that now wish he could be traded.

You don't make that judgment after 25 less-than-stellar games. His season hasn't been nearly as bad as some have made it seem and the idea of a fresh Sharp for the playoffs could be promising for this team. He looked good in the couple of games he played after coming off IR.

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I did not want him signed for that contract. I think we knew at the time (some of us) it was an over payment.

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how is it overpayment when he would have gotten more on the open market with the same term and conditions?

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I did not want him signed for that contract. I think we knew at the time (some of us) it was an over payment.
Guys who are good for 30+ goals a year typically don't come cheap.

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04-17-2013, 05:17 AM
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how is it overpayment when he would have gotten more on the open market with the same term and conditions?
Same question, Stalberg for 3.75M. Do you still have the same answer?

Or better yet, how about Troy Brouwer (who by the way is scoring at a pace this season equal to anything Sharp has ever done)?


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04-17-2013, 05:38 AM
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Same question, Stalberg for 3.75M. Do you still have the same answer?

Or better yet, how about Troy Brouwer (who by the way is scoring at a pace this season equal to anything Sharp has ever done)?
Stalberg won't get more than that on the open market... that would be like having Sharp with a 6.7 Cap Hit and a NMC
Stalberg with that Cap Hit would be paying the UFA open market price and that is about 75% of the time overpayment.

Brouwer is a bad hockey player and he is not worth his salary. We could have kept him but wanted better players on the ice. That's how good Brouwer is...

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04-17-2013, 06:10 AM
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Stalberg won't get more than that on the open market... maybe, maybe not-we'll see-that would be like having Sharp with a 6.7 Cap Hit and a NMC
Stalberg with that Cap Hit would be paying the UFA open market price and that is about 75% of the time overpayment. Market price is market price it can't be an over/underpayment.

Brouwer is a bad hockey player and he is not worth his salary. We could have kept him but wanted better players on the ice. That's how good Brouwer is...
Keep up the Brouwer hate while pleading for the Hawks to get Goc.

btw if Brouwer, a "bad" player gets 3.6M, be careful on Viktor.

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04-17-2013, 06:46 AM
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I did not want him signed for that contract. I think we knew at the time (some of us) it was an over payment.
How many 30+ goal scoring, multiple position playing, good 2 way players and good leaders are there in the NHL?

Sharp isn't an overpayment.

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Stalberg won't get more than that on the open market... that would be like having Sharp with a 6.7 Cap Hit and a NMC
Stalberg with that Cap Hit would be paying the UFA open market price and that is about 75% of the time overpayment.

Brouwer is a bad hockey player and he is not worth his salary. We could have kept him but wanted better players on the ice. That's how good Brouwer is...
How is Brouwer a bad hockey player and not worth his salary?

Brouwer has averaged .69 PPG in the NHL

Stalberg .54 PPG

Brouwer also has an A on his chest and has produced better in the playoffs. Lastly


Yeah what a bum.

P.S. your man crush Goc .30 PPG

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04-17-2013, 07:09 AM
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Sharp is a very good player on a contract that is movable.

It's really a question of cap management. On our team, it is possible that Sharp's contract might be one that we have to move to ensure we have the depth to be an elite contender.

It likely depends on how guys like Morin, McNeil, Danaut, Hayes etc. perform over the next year or so. If they can cheap bottom 6 guys, we may well continue to fit Sharp's contract into the mix, much like the emergence of Saad and Shaw have helped immensely in that area.

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how is it overpayment when he would have gotten more on the open market with the same term and conditions?
It's not like the Hawks got a huge discount here. He's not overpaid, just may be difficult to manage with the cap going forward. If the CBA stayed the same it would be a non issue.

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Sharp is a very good player on a contract that is movable.

It's really a question of cap management. On our team, it is possible that Sharp's contract might be one that we have to move to ensure we have the depth to be an elite contender.

It likely depends on how guys like Morin, McNeil, Danaut, Hayes etc. perform over the next year or so. If they can cheap bottom 6 guys, we may well continue to fit Sharp's contract into the mix, much like the emergence of Saad and Shaw have helped immensely in that area.
I agree with this. He is the one that could be moved at some point.

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