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04-17-2013, 07:56 AM
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Sather traded a 2nd for Antropov but he didn't re-sign him. Signing a player to justify a trade? It will cost the Rangers more to re-sign Clowe. A 2nd round is upgraded from a 5th and it will cost a major commitment in term and dollars. They traded a 2nd and a pick acquired for Wolski and a 5th to rent Slowe. Sather has signed players only to trade them within a year. He isn't that stubborn to not admit it didn't work out.

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04-17-2013, 08:18 AM
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Clowe is as advertised.

A once very good player that is a shell of himself. Please stay away from re-signing this guy.

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04-17-2013, 08:29 AM
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Clowe is as advertised.

A once very good player that is a shell of himself. Please stay away from re-signing this guy.
So Sather is not a genius like some proclaimed two weeks ago?

So you don't want to give up a ton of cap space and yet another high draft pick?

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So Sather is not a genius like some proclaimed two weeks ago?

So you don't want to give up a ton of cap space and yet another high draft pick?
You're not paying attention. Draft picks have no value.

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You're not paying attention. Draft picks have no value.
No need for those when Christian Thomas is coming along fine.

No need for cap space, Dylan Mcilrath is penciled in next year, so is the healthiest prospect in the world Jesper Fast.

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My best case scenario with this guy: Sather resigns him to a two year deal that is below 4 mil per. With proper conditioning in the offseason and a full camp, Clowe returns to being the awesome player he was for the Sharks in years past. By 2014, a younger player pushes him down the lineup. Sather trades him to save cap space and recoup assets.

That's a lot of ifs, but 30 isn't exactly "old" even for a brusier like Clowe.

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04-17-2013, 02:18 PM
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The thing about players like Clowe is that they are very rare and hard to come by when they are at their peak. Teams are desperate for players that can hit, skate, score, pass and fight. The problem is that they age quickly and that style of play takes a toll on their bodies. Even though Clowe is relatively young at 30, it's an old 30 with lots of miles and you can tell he's broken down. Giving this guy a 4/5 year deal for a lot of money is definitely a gamble. Playing the way he does and being successfull at it takes a lot of energy and motivation from someone..don't know if he's got a lot in tank left to do that.

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04-17-2013, 02:26 PM
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I like Clowe more than most here but I agree with Ranger Boy -- no need to sign him to a ridiculous contract to justify the trade. I'm very wary of anything longer than 3 years.

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04-17-2013, 02:34 PM
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I'm not sure how he can possibly argue that he deserves a huge, long-term deal given his play all year on two different teams. Maybe NYR can get him on a reasonable, shorter deal and see how he looks next year.

I definitely don't want them to pay him based on what he thinks he might be worth if everything broke his way from here on out, if it comes to that, let some other team make the mistake.

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04-17-2013, 02:45 PM
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Look at the bright side...if Clowe had gone on an Antropov type of run in his short time here (which I suppose in an extreme long-shot type of a way can still happen), lots of people would be clamoring to sign him to a 4-5 year contract in the $4-$5 million dollar range.

At least we (and hopefully Sather) are seeing now the absolute best physical version of what we would be paying for...and this version is not worth a long-term contract, not to mention what 2-3 more years of wear and tear will do to Clowe.

Still hoping Clowe finds some magic in the remaining games, but it does not fool us into signing him at top dollar. There will be a team that offers Clowe a large long-term contract....just hopefully not us.

Of course, it is Sather...


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04-17-2013, 02:49 PM
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I like Clowe more than most here but I agree with Ranger Boy -- no need to sign him to a ridiculous contract to justify the trade. I'm very wary of anything longer than 3 years.
Part of the reason I had an issue with this trade was the conditional second round pick. It de-incentivizes them to re-sign him.

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04-17-2013, 03:28 PM
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How many times will Clowe gain the zone and stop at the face-off circle looking to hit a trailing player entering the zone with speed only to have the play broken up?
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I don't think Clowe is any slower than Ryan Malone who, when healthy, is a good, effective player for TB. I still would look to re-sign him if his demands are reasonable.
Malone and Clowe are different players in different situations. Clowe thinks he's a playmaker whenever he touches the puck; he isn't, though. Malone doesn't do more than he should. He lets the skill players that he plays with (who are, granted, incredible talents) do the creative work.

Somewhere along the line, Clowe decided that he was Joe Thornton, Jr. Instead, he should be parking his sizable posterior in front of the net and creating space along the boards, particularly behind the net, to help the likes of MZA, Richards, Brassard, etc. For a man of his size, poor skating ability, and nothing special puckhandling talent, he spends WAAAAY too much time handling the puck along the perimeter. Doesn't make any sense.

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I like Clowe more than most here but I agree with Ranger Boy -- no need to sign him to a ridiculous contract to justify the trade. I'm very wary of anything longer than 3 years.
The problem, bobbop, is that paying the sort of price the Rangers did to acquire Clowe doesn't make very much sense if he's only supposed to be a rental. And no one is signing him for 3 years or less. This is his last chance to really get paid. He's going to be looking for 4 or 5 years.

No, signing him to justify the trade doesn't make any sense. But it doesn't change the fact that trading for him at the price the Rangers paid didn't make much sense to begin with, especially since success this season will have very little to do with Clowe. If Brad Richards doesn't play well, the Rangers aren't going very far, and there was no sign that Richards' play was improving when the deal was made.

The Antropov trade was a stupid waste of assets, and so was this trade. In a deep draft, for a bubble team that still lacks top end talent in the system to have no first or second round picks is . . . well, it is typical Rangers. Senseless.

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04-18-2013, 01:20 PM
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As someone already mentioned, Clowe looks like a clone of Pyatt out there. You can't really tell who is on the ice. I hope we run far,far away from this guy come July 1.

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04-18-2013, 01:32 PM
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If Sather resigns Clowe, he's a fool. They should look to amnesty Richards, sign Stephen Weiss for no more than 4 years and 20 million, trade Del Zotto for a winger and sign a bottom pairing guy that can play. John Moore at this point is better defensively than Del Zotto and is a much better skater. He looked like he wanted to Brian Leetch us to victory the other night. I like that.

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Amnestying Richards is one thing. To amnesty him only to give out another long-term contract is another — especially to someone who's over 30.

What's really strange is this team has had much better luck with the purported stop-gap guys (Cullen, Nylander, Straka, Rucchin) than they have with the big ticket items (Gomez, Richards, Drury). I don't know if that comes with lowered expectations and a smaller commitment or what, but it stands to reason to me that going from one long contract to one slightly lesser contract makes little sense. Trade Gomez and sign Gaborik. Get rid of Drury, bury Redden and sign Richards. Jane get me off this crazy thing.

The core is here: Stepan, Callahan, Nash, Hagelin, Brassard, Kreider up front, McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman and Moore on the back end and Lundqvst. Enough trying to hit a homerun with a big FA signing when you're paying for their past not what they're likely to do in the future. Time builld around that core. If that means going into next year with a 1-2 center punch of Stepan and Brassard so be it. At least give me some continuity.


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Amnestying Richards is one thing. To amnesty him only to give out another long-term contract is another especially to someone who's over 30.

What's really strange is this team has had much better luck with the purported stop-gap guys (Cullen, Nylander, Straka, Rucchin) than they have with the big ticket items (Gomez, Richards, Drury). I don't know if that comes with lowered expectations and a smaller commitment or what, but it stands to reason to me that going from one long contract to one slightly lesser contract makes little sense. Trade Gomez and sign Gaborik. Get rid of Drury, bury Redden and sign Richards. Jane get me off this crazy thing.

The core is here: Stepan, Callahan, Nash, Hagelin, Brassard, Kreider up front, McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman and Moore on the back end and Lundqvst. Enough trying to hit a homerun with a big FA signing when you're paying for their past not what they're likely to do in the future. Time builld around that core. If that means going into next year with a 1-2 center punch of Stepan and Brassard so be it. At least give me some continuity.
Isn't it funny out of all those mostly big ticket sought after FA's that have failed the only one who ever produced for majority of the time was none other then... Marian Gaborik. Well Gomez put up his 2 average seasons here as he did prior to joining us, just not enough to warrant his salary.

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If Sather resigns Clowe, he's a fool. They should look to amnesty Richards, sign Stephen Weiss for no more than 4 years and 20 million, trade Del Zotto for a winger and sign a bottom pairing guy that can play. John Moore at this point is better defensively than Del Zotto and is a much better skater. He looked like he wanted to Brian Leetch us to victory the other night. I like that.
Absolutely laughable.. I disagree entirely besides your sentiment with Clowe.

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Didn't even see where someone said give Weiss 20 mill for 4 years for a 3rd line center. We might as well give Clowe 6.5 mill for 7 years if we were gonna do that. Wouldn't be a bright idea.

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Amnestying Richards is one thing. To amnesty him only to give out another long-term contract is another especially to someone who's over 30.

What's really strange is this team has had much better luck with the purported stop-gap guys (Cullen, Nylander, Straka, Rucchin) than they have with the big ticket items (Gomez, Richards, Drury). I don't know if that comes with lowered expectations and a smaller commitment or what, but it stands to reason to me that going from one long contract to one slightly lesser contract makes little sense. Trade Gomez and sign Gaborik. Get rid of Drury, bury Redden and sign Richards. Jane get me off this crazy thing.

The core is here: Stepan, Callahan, Nash, Hagelin, Brassard, Kreider up front, McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman and Moore on the back end and Lundqvst. Enough trying to hit a homerun with a big FA signing when you're paying for their past not what they're likely to do in the future. Time builld around that core. If that means going into next year with a 1-2 center punch of Stepan and Brassard so be it. At least give me some continuity.
I agree, SO MUCH, with this post.

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Amnestying Richards is one thing. To amnesty him only to give out another long-term contract is another especially to someone who's over 30.

What's really strange is this team has had much better luck with the purported stop-gap guys (Cullen, Nylander, Straka, Rucchin) than they have with the big ticket items (Gomez, Richards, Drury). I don't know if that comes with lowered expectations and a smaller commitment or what, but it stands to reason to me that going from one long contract to one slightly lesser contract makes little sense. Trade Gomez and sign Gaborik. Get rid of Drury, bury Redden and sign Richards. Jane get me off this crazy thing.

The core is here: Stepan, Callahan, Nash, Hagelin, Brassard, Kreider up front, McDonagh, Girardi, Staal, Del Zotto, Stralman and Moore on the back end and Lundqvst. Enough trying to hit a homerun with a big FA signing when you're paying for their past not what they're likely to do in the future. Time builld around that core. If that means going into next year with a 1-2 center punch of Stepan and Brassard so be it. At least give me some continuity.
Great post. I prefer to give Richards another year.

But if they are going to amnesty him, please,please,please do not just funnel the money to another mercenary.

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Great post. I prefer to give Richards another year.

But if they are going to amnesty him, please,please,please do not just funnel the money to another mercenary.
I'm willing to give him another year too.

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I'm willing to give him another year too.
He will get another year with us, no reason for him not too. If I was the GM he would have to finish with at least 75 pts leading us to SCF win along with another Conn Smythe NOT to buy him out. Boy I sure hope our management team is finally gonna learn not to hand out 7,8etc year contracts to declining 30 years cough Ryane Clowe cough.

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I'm willing to give him another year too.
Folks in this thread want to get rid of Richards and then give Stephen Weiss 5 years. What in the hell?

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He will get another year with us, no reason for him not too. If I was the GM he would have to finish with at least 75 pts leading us to SCF win along with another Conn Smythe NOT to buy him out. Boy I sure hope our management team is finally gonna learn not to hand out 7,8etc year contracts to declining 30 years cough Ryane Clowe cough.
I'd buy him out if he scored 175 points next year.

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He will get another year with us, no reason for him not too. If I was the GM he would have to finish with at least 75 pts leading us to SCF win along with another Conn Smythe NOT to buy him out. Boy I sure hope our management team is finally gonna learn not to hand out 7,8etc year contracts to declining 30 years cough Ryane Clowe cough.
The number associated with Clowe are truly head-scratching.

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