HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The Business of Hockey
The Business of Hockey Discuss the financial and business aspects of the NHL. Topics may include the CBA, work stoppages, broadcast contracts, franchise sales, and NHL revenues.

Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-17-2013, 02:42 PM
  #651
GuelphStormer
Registered User
 
GuelphStormer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Guelph, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,580
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimAnchower View Post
LeBlanc/Gosbee and Pastor won't make the list. And Pastor wants to meet the mayor on Friday morning. Looks like a waste of everyone's time, except for the free coffee and donuts.
cupcakes, not donuts

GuelphStormer is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:49 PM
  #652
Whileee
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 6,866
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimAnchower View Post
LeBlanc/Gosbee and Pastor won't make the list. And Pastor wants to meet the mayor on Friday morning. Looks like a waste of everyone's time, except for the free coffee and donuts.
The COG can cancel the RFP for arena manager at any time. If a new owner buys the Coyotes and come to a suitable lease agreement with the COG, they'll just cancel the RFP and go with the Coyotes owners.

I think that the RFP is still "Plan B", but would become "Plan A" if nobody steps forward with a bona fide offer to purchase the Coyotes locally, or if they can't come to a lease agreement with the COG.

I think we have a clear enough picture of how things will likely proceed from here. The NHL will try to agree on the terms of sale with at least one potential owner (Gosbee? Pastor?). If that happens, they'll approach the COG with "take it or leave it" terms for a lease. If the COG finds the terms unpalatable or financially unmanageable, the NHL will plan for relocation and the COG will proceed with the RFP for "Plan B" for management of the Jobing.com.

Whileee is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:49 PM
  #653
mesamonster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Scottsdale, AZ.
Country: United States
Posts: 1,011
vCash: 500
And please tell me what experience they have in owning much less running a professional sports franchise? Oh sure, "they will hire someone to do it for them"! Regardless, the owner needs to be hands on and in this case these fellows appear to be thinking absentee ownership. Given the fact that the COG is not likely to offer subsidy help, they will need to be bringing far more to the table than any of these guys seem to have.

A meeting with the Mayor will be an utter waste of time, and if it is so important why isn`t the Commish and /or his sidekick Daly accompanying him to lend some half hearted credibility to his bid? Because there is no bid, and likely will never be!

mesamonster is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:50 PM
  #654
MNNumbers
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,125
vCash: 500
I have never seen such an RFP before. Can someone tell me this:

Is it reasonable on my part, given that such an RFP now exists, with what appear to be financially safe provisions for the city, to say that the handwriting is now being read from the wall, and the Coyotes are moving after this season?

In other words, what provision is there in this RFP for a team owner? I can't find any way that a new owner fits in at all.

Thanks.

MNNumbers is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:51 PM
  #655
cbcwpg
Registered User
 
cbcwpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Between the Pipes
Country: United Nations
Posts: 5,425
vCash: 350
Quote:
Originally Posted by JimAnchower View Post
LeBlanc/Gosbee and Pastor won't make the list. And Pastor wants to meet the mayor on Friday morning. Looks like a waste of everyone's time, except for the free coffee and donuts.
Always cupcakes...

Remember that this RFP is for Arena Management not necessarily Team Ownership.

So maybe none of Jamison, LeBlanc, Gosbee, Pastor, Reinsdorf, Hulsizer, etc. want to be the Arena Managers, but just the team owners. Possible I guess, all except for that little problem of subsidizing team losses.

AMF - $6M to the winner of the RFP contest

CSF ( Coyotes Slush Fund ) - $9M --- so how does the CoG hid this?

cbcwpg is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:51 PM
  #656
majicman*
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 25
vCash: 500
Yea, ask D.Katz in how the "threat" worked for him.....nearly a "free" arena etc. Works every time. Be careful what you "wish"for. Eh.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckschmuck View Post
I hope this means that the Yotes are likely going to relocate to Seattle

majicman* is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:55 PM
  #657
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whileee View Post
Looks like LeBlanc and Lakehead Yale would not even make the short list. They wouldn't meet the minimum qualifications in terms of experience. No wonder LeBlanc tried to cut a deal with Scruggs and city council before it got to this stage.
None of them would, not Gosbee let alone LeBlanc & IEH's; Pastors' out entirely, Jamison doesnt qualify, leaving whomever in 4th, who Im going to just take a wild guess & figure its Reinsdorf/Kaites; they would qualify as an Arena Manager absent an anchor tenant but wouldnt bother submitting a proposal I cant imagine. Thats not their dealeo really. The only way the first three land that contract is by buying the team & end-running all of the regular & normal sets of criteria, just toss it all out the window.... like what the NHL appears to have been doing for the past 3yrs in failing to initiate even the most rudimentary forms of due-didley when entertaining prospective buyers. So either this things for real or its all for show. Guess were about to find out.

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 02:58 PM
  #658
Major4Boarding
Moderator
Private Equity
 
Major4Boarding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South of Heaven
Country: Scotland
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Some immediate takeaways (and reaffirmations) from the RFP (still skimming thru it)

Quote:
The Arena is currently managed by the NHL, the owner of the Coyotes, and its existing arena management agreement with the City and other related arena agreements contractually expire after the current NHL season (June 2013). The City and members of its City Council are soliciting proposals from qualified Venue Managers (“Manager(s)”) to provide sales, marketing, operational, managerial, and maintenance support services for the Arena and the ancillary parking facilities owned by the City.
Quote:
The City is seeking to have a Manager assume full operating responsibilities of the Arena no later than July 1, 2013.
Quote:
DUTIES OF VENUE MANAGER/OPERATOR

d) On behalf of the City, collect and remit all Base Recovery Fees, City Parking Fees and any other surcharges levied by the City;
Quote:
A.) Minimum Requirements/Qualifications for Managers.

iii. The Manager must have current experience in operating such a facility on behalf of a public entity, such as the City of Glendale (...)
Technically, nothing precludes any tire kickers from bringing in "ringers".

Quote:
C.) Pre-Proposal Meetings and Arena Tours

Pre-Proposal Meetings and Arena tours can be arranged with Beacon Sports between May 6 and May 10, 2013. Please contact Beacon Sports to arrange an appointment for a tour and Q&A session during that week. The purpose of the tours and meetings is to (i) meet with members of the City staff, (ii) allow interested parties to provide questions, suggestions, and feedback to the City, (iii) view the physical plant and fan amenities at the Arena, and (iv) allow the City to provide prospective Managers with any additional information it believes is warranted. Attendance at a Pre-Proposal Meeting is not mandatory but strongly encouraged.
http://www.glendaleaz.com/purchasing...ril16-2013.pdf

More to come...

Major4Boarding is online now  
Old
04-17-2013, 03:07 PM
  #659
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MNNumbers View Post
In other words, what provision is there in this RFP for a team owner?
I can't find any way that a new owner fits in at all.
This is entirely separate, absent an anchor tenant MN. This is an invitation to really companies like AEG, Global-Spectrum & others with experience in large facility management. The Glendale RFP includes there-in a requirement that bidders include in their submissions just what they would do to attract an anchor tenant, the assumption being with that point that the Coyotes are already gone. However, in another question & requirement, the RFP asks the bidder to include information as to how they see themselves working with an anchor tenant if one is already installed & therefore pre-existant to their assuming the contract on July 1st, 2013 should they win it. Intelligently, the RFP asks for references pursuant to working with anchor tenants & so on & so forth so the bars been set at a reasonable level and will keep the riff raff from applying.

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 03:22 PM
  #660
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major4Boarding View Post
Technically, nothing precludes any
tire kickers from bringing in "ringers".
... technically no, but it would be foolish & you'd be
found out pretty quickly. Minimum qualifications explicit.

whatre' ya'll thinkin there M4B?...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH6nrG7TY0c

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 04:00 PM
  #661
Major4Boarding
Moderator
Private Equity
 
Major4Boarding's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: South of Heaven
Country: Scotland
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
... technically no, but it would be foolish & you'd be
found out pretty quickly. Minimum qualifications explicit.

whatre' ya'll thinkin there M4B?...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Quote:
G. Other Information & Material to be Provided

Provide audited and certified financial statements for the responding firm’s last three years of operation. If the responder is a Joint Venture, a copy of the Joint Venture agreement must be submitted for each party. Provide a profile of the responding firm and describe its legal structure, principal officers and organizational structure. The responder must identify and distinguish between its own experience and qualifications and that of any parent entity, predecessor and/or wholly-owned or partially-owned subsidiary of the responder

Major4Boarding is online now  
Old
04-17-2013, 04:28 PM
  #662
CasualFan
Tortious Beadicus
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bay Area, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 2,102
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major4Boarding View Post
Wow, they actually published the RFP. The AMF gravy train has skidded off the road and crashed into a bridge abutment. At least JIG already proved even a large scale subsidy isn't capable of attracting significant investment anyway.

The Glendale well looks awfully dry. Your move, NHL...

CasualFan is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 04:32 PM
  #663
Whileee
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 6,866
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
This is entirely separate, absent an anchor tenant MN. This is an invitation to really companies like AEG, Global-Spectrum & others with experience in large facility management. The Glendale RFP includes there-in a requirement that bidders include in their submissions just what they would do to attract an anchor tenant, the assumption being with that point that the Coyotes are already gone. However, in another question & requirement, the RFP asks the bidder to include information as to how they see themselves working with an anchor tenant if one is already installed & therefore pre-existant to their assuming the contract on July 1st, 2013 should they win it. Intelligently, the RFP asks for references pursuant to working with anchor tenants & so on & so forth so the bars been set at a reasonable level and will keep the riff raff from applying.
So, there goes the IEH / Lakehead Yale dream...

I think that the sub-text to all of this is that it is a "Plan B", in case the Coyotes are not retained as an anchor tenant with an attendant lease agreement with the new owner. If a local sale and lease agreement is successfully concluded, the COG can just rip up the RFP and go with "Plan A".

This does, however, seem to set some timelines on the process. As has been noted earlier in these threads, once bids are in it will substantially narrow the COG's scope for subsidizing a Coyotes owner without attracting scrutiny under the gift clause. The entire purpose of avoiding this sort of RFP by previous council members and city managers has been to retain some thin veneer of plausibility vis-a-vis the cost of managing the Jobing.com. This was necessary to justify a large enough AMF to provide a big chunk of money towards the Coyotes operation. As soon as the COG has in its hands some bona fide bids for arena management that are substantially less expensive than the Coyotes-associated lease, there will be clear evidence of the size of the subsidy masked within the AMF.

Whileee is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 05:15 PM
  #664
CasualFan
Tortious Beadicus
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Bay Area, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 2,102
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whileee View Post
So, there goes the IEH / Lakehead Yale dream...
Dreams never die, Whileee

Anyway, the RFP looks like a standard 5-year facility management proposal that SMG, AEG, Global Spectrum, etc will likely respond to. For anyone interested, here's a reset of the SMG Facilities Mgmt MOU from Stockton as an example of how terms might look.

Baltimore is probably another good example of how the process may unfold.

CasualFan is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 05:28 PM
  #665
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whileee View Post
.... As soon as the COG has in its hands some bona fide bids for arena management that are substantially less expensive than the Coyotes-associated lease, there will be clear evidence of the size of the subsidy masked within the AMF.
Yes its quite clear that since the election of last fall & the change of administration the games of the past were put away, and quite likely a sigh of relief that Jamison wasnt able to close by January 31st. Since that time, we've seen the City finally pulling itself up off the canvas inch by inch, beginning the process of regaining its dignity & frankly position of strength in finally outing the suitors & the NHL itself. Theyve earmarked $6M in as the AMF regardless of it being enjoined to the Coyotes ownership group or sans an anchor tenant altogether so the insanity appears to have stopped. I would have preferred theyd employed someone other than Beacon, but thus far & based on the RFP, well, so far so good, but Im still suspicious of their motives & role. That perhaps this is just an elaborate facade to demonstrate that prudence & aforethought, common sense & due diligence is being applied when in fact no bids ever will be tendered as by the time the deadline to do so is near the NHL & Suitor A, B or C has hatched & presented yet another proposal that Glendale meekly surrenders to. Lets hope not. That its for real, on the up & up. But yes, as CasualFan says above, next moves the NHL's pursuant to this franchise. Clocks about to strike Midnight. Either put up or shut up, alternatively, get the four letter word starting with eff out of town & stop trying to drain every last drop of blood from the multiple victims you yourselves shot & killed.

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 05:28 PM
  #666
blues10
Registered User
 
blues10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,990
vCash: 500
What exactly can Weirs discuss with Coyotes suitors? or is the RFP simply ripped up if a legitimate Coyote's buyer emerges?

Quote:
INQUIRIES OR OTHER CONTACT WITH ANY OFFICER, AGENT, OR EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF GLENDALE REGARDING THE ARENA AND/OR THIS REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, INCLUDING CONTACT BY PROPOSER’S CONTRACTORS, AGENTS, REPRESENTATIVES AND CONSULTANTS, COULD RESULT IN A PROPOSAL BEING DISQUALIFIED.
http://www.glendaleaz.com/purchasing...ril16-2013.pdf

blues10 is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 05:36 PM
  #667
blues10
Registered User
 
blues10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,990
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
Yes its quite clear that since the election of last fall & the change of administration the games of the past were put away, and quite likely a sigh of relief that Jamison wasnt able to close by January 31st. Since that time, we've seen the City finally pulling itself up off the canvas inch by inch, beginning the process of regaining its dignity & frankly position of strength in finally outing the suitors & the NHL itself. Theyve earmarked $6M in as the AMF regardless of it being enjoined to the Coyotes ownership group or sans an anchor tenant altogether so the insanity appears to have stopped. I would have preferred theyd employed someone other than Beacon, but thus far & based on the RFP, well, so far so good, but Im still suspicious of their motives & role. That perhaps this is just an elaborate facade to demonstrate that prudence & aforethought, common sense & due diligence is being applied when in fact no bids ever will be tendered as by the time the deadline to do so is near the NHL & Suitor A, B or C has hatched & presented yet another proposal that Glendale meekly surrenders to. Lets hope not. That its for real, on the up & up. But yes, as CasualFan says above, next moves the NHL's pursuant to this franchise. Clocks about to strike Midnight. Either put up or shut up, alternatively, get the four letter word starting with eff out of town & stop trying to drain every last drop of blood from the multiple victims you yourselves shot & killed.
BINGO! with tight restrictions on who can bid, eliminating many wanabees. In my opinion any group associated with the NHL will not bid unless it has already been decided that this Dog is dead. Setting the table for a large AMF to some underfunded Coyote ownership group.

Is this plausible?

blues10 is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 05:38 PM
  #668
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blues10 View Post
What exactly can Weirs discuss with Coyotes suitors? or is the RFP simply ripped up if a legitimate Coyote's buyer emerges?
Ya. Ripped up. Kaputski. Dont bother sending anything in fella's. Thats what Im saying, about Beacon. Not sure if I trust these guys. Youve really gotta keep your eye on em. The whole thing could be an elaborate front. Serious Conspiracy Theory I know but all too common a ploy. Give the appearance that everythings being done that can be, look at us, all transparent & open, then BAM!. Deal done in a backroom, RFP's yanked, you find out a year or 3 later through FOI's that the Gov actually wound up paying $37,876.39 for a single solitary Stabler stapler, one box of re-fills included.

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 06:08 PM
  #669
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blues10 View Post
BINGO! with tight restrictions on who can bid, eliminating many wanabees. In my opinion any group associated with the NHL will not bid unless it has already been decided that this Dog is dead. Setting the table for a large AMF to some underfunded Coyote ownership group... Is this plausible?
Yes of course it is, and precisely why Beacon as the Gatekeeper & Authors of the RFP bothers me. All of the top arena management companies that would qualify are either owned in part by or have NHL/NBA ties, the leagues working together, Stern & Bettman, a phone call here, an email there, whatever, and the plot just gets thicker & thicker & thicker. Look at Hamilton with Copps. Just last year, appoints Sniders Global Spectrum. Part of that contract including a vague promise that GS would attempt to facilitate the procurement of an NHL franchise & worded very much like Beacons RFP in the point detailing precisely that, though not "NHL Franchise" specific. "Anchor Tenant" the operative word. Now, there are some smaller operators out there, but they in some cases either dont qualify, or are beholding to the bigger players who if they piss off could make life very difficult for, crush them like an annoying bug. So ya, its plausible that Beacon doesnt have the City's best interests at heart here & is simply giving the appearance of such, having been bought off & corrupted by God only knows. I surely do hope not, touch wood, for surely Glendales been through enough as it is with Beasley et al. Almost to much to take if we discover yet further duplicity & skullduggery goin on.


Last edited by Killion: 04-17-2013 at 06:15 PM.
Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 06:35 PM
  #670
blues10
Registered User
 
blues10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,990
vCash: 500
Out of curiosity. How many North American based arena managers not associated with the NHL could actually meet the paramaters of the RFP? lots? some?

blues10 is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 06:38 PM
  #671
TheLegend
Megathread Refugee
 
TheLegend's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: The Anxiety Closet
Country: United States
Posts: 3,151
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CasualFan View Post
Dreams never die, Whileee

Anyway, the RFP looks like a standard 5-year facility management proposal that SMG, AEG, Global Spectrum, etc will likely respond to. For anyone interested, here's a reset of the SMG Facilities Mgmt MOU from Stockton as an example of how terms might look.

Baltimore is probably another good example of how the process may unfold.
FWIW... Global currently manages the UoP Stadium next door. The NFL Cardinals have their own entity Rojo Management which has some tie in as well (concessions... etc.). Rojo is also looking to manage a facility (playing fields) there that Glendale owns as part of their attempt to move the Cardinals pre-season camp to Glendale.

CF..... could we be looking at something along those lines??

TheLegend is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 07:06 PM
  #672
cbcwpg
Registered User
 
cbcwpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Between the Pipes
Country: United Nations
Posts: 5,425
vCash: 350
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killion View Post
This is entirely separate, absent an anchor tenant MN. This is an invitation to really companies like AEG, Global-Spectrum & others with experience in large facility management. The Glendale RFP includes there-in a requirement that bidders include in their submissions just what they would do to attract an anchor tenant, the assumption being with that point that the Coyotes are already gone. However, in another question & requirement, the RFP asks the bidder to include information as to how they see themselves working with an anchor tenant if one is already installed & therefore pre-existant to their assuming the contract on July 1st, 2013 should they win it. Intelligently, the RFP asks for references pursuant to working with anchor tenants & so on & so forth so the bars been set at a reasonable level and will keep the riff raff from applying.
No riff raft? Well, that definitely would be unique for this mess.

All we have seen for the last four years has been Riff and Raft.

cbcwpg is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 07:08 PM
  #673
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blues10 View Post
Out of curiosity. How many North American based arena managers not associated with the NHL could actually meet the paramaters of the RFP? lots? some?
The top 3 are AEG, Global Spectrum & SMG, then you get into smaller types who specialize in specific areas though they do include arena or facility management services, be it concessions like Jeremy Jacobs with Delaware North or a LiveNation or House of Blues type operation, all of whom in addition to producing events also act as booking agents & do manage all kinds of venues as well. Virtually all of them have either direct or indirect connections to the NHL in one way or another. Its a very small world blues. Everyone knows everyone, key personnel moving from the franchise to the management sides to the concessions or booking end of things, from sponsorship & advertising to media relations to various league positions & on & on both here in North America & Globally.

Killion is offline  
Old
04-17-2013, 07:13 PM
  #675
Killion
Global Moderator
 
Killion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 20,066
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLegend View Post
... could we be looking at something along those lines??
Its possible. Hell, Daryl Katz outta Edmonton has designs on becoming a player in Arena Management. He might submit a bid. Rojo (zero exp in managing arenas, there are pre-qualifications required including that one) however is the concession arm, so no, they wouldnt bid directly but GlobalSpectrum certainly will, and if they win it, then Rojo would very likely wind up looking after concessions. One hand washing the other.

Killion is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:48 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.