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04-17-2013, 06:55 PM
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Bad time to slump just before the playoffs. Would be a wasted season considering how great the draft is this year.
This isn't a slump. We've played way over our heads. In a sense, this is a good thing. Management can't go into next year thinking (nor do I believe they currently think this... only certain fans) that this is a SC contender.

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04-17-2013, 06:56 PM
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Why do Habs fans do this to themselves? This is what happens when you drink the koolaid.

Even before last year started, I said our D was putrid and Markov was not to be counted on....we picked 3rd overall.

This year I said even though we were playing well, the D was meh at best.

I said at the deadline that Bergie not adding a top 4-5 dman was a big mistake...

Did I think we'd get blasted like we have the last few games? No. But the D finally getting exposed really isn't surprising.

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04-17-2013, 06:56 PM
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The way I see it, we have good rookies of Off and D, Great Coach and GM, cap heaven next summer. I waited for this situation for so long.
No one ever said the future doesn't look bright. The season is a success.

But it's looking like it's going to be an ugly, 2008-09-esque end to this season and playoffs. This team is out of answers.

TB is going to destroy us tomorrow with all their star power.

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04-17-2013, 06:56 PM
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Did people really think the team would maintain a 120pts season pace so soon after finishing last? Expected falling back to earth, hopefully they are able to find a solution in time.

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04-17-2013, 06:57 PM
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We might be sucking as of late....but the team now is better than the team that eliminated Washington and Pittsburgh a few years back, so to say we are going to get killed in the first round is kinda ignorant. The playoffs are a new season, so anything can happen.

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Did people really think the team would maintain a 120pts season pace so soon after finishing last? Expected falling back to earth, hopefully they are able to find a solution in time.
I expected them to lose close games when they fell back to earth, not get blown out...

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04-17-2013, 06:58 PM
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No one ever said the future doesn't look bright. The season is a success.

But it's looking like it's going to be an ugly, 2008-09-esque end to this season and playoffs. This team is out of answers.

TB is going to destroy us tomorrow with all their star power.
Understand your point and I think we have small chance of getting through the first round. We'll see more changes this summer

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04-17-2013, 06:58 PM
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Bouillon makes stupid plays that KILLS the momentum (have a great cycle, take a low percentage shot from the point with no traffic, killing the cycle/momentum OR shooting on the defenceman when you have so much room and time).

Desharnais... self-explanatory.

Gionta was a great player, he's done.
Bouillon is a fine dman, not a top-4 like he's used right now, but I have no problem with him on the team. Same with Gionta, he's still a pretty good player.

The problem is the lack of depth on defense, including Markov's inability to play decent hockey 5 on 5. We have a #1 in Subban, a #3 in Gorges, but Markov, Emelin, Boullion, Diaz, etc. are all bottom pairing guys (again 5 on 5).

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Why do Habs fans do this to themselves? This is what happens when you drink the koolaid.

Even before last year started, I said our D was putrid and Markov was not to be counted on....we picked 3rd overall.

This year I said even though we were playing well, the D was meh at best.

I said at the deadline that Bergie not adding a top 4-5 dman was a big mistake...

Did I think we'd get blasted like we have the last few games? No. But the D finally getting exposed really isn't surprising.
Ironic. You're arguing habs fans do this to themselves then claim we always sucked. C'mon. Habs are a playoff team. We've seen them come back in games and always compete. Let's relax, you guys are too fickle.

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04-17-2013, 07:00 PM
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This isn't a slump. We've played way over our heads. In a sense, this is a good thing. Management can't go into next year thinking (nor do I believe they currently think this... only certain fans) that this is a SC contender.
And this is why we have 6 draft picks in the top 90 this summer......Good Management!!!

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04-17-2013, 07:02 PM
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I should bet against the Habs in the playoffs...

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Really sad to say this but like i've said numerous times this season : this team isn't built for playoff hockey. We were playing over our heads with a good system. Now a little adversity and teams playing playoff hockey and get owned. We won't get past 1st round that's for sure.

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And I repeat, this is just a slump. A really bad time to slump, as it might lead to a quick first round exit. No need to trade everyone.

We had a great season, even though we quite possibly overachieved, but that doesn't mean we have to blow up the team.

Same with Price. Is he a great goaltender? No. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. He's still a pretty decent starter.

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04-17-2013, 07:04 PM
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Kaberle and Gionta should be ridden of but we have some pieces in place...

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This week cannot get worst.... Boston marathon now this...

Obama need to fix it asap

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And I repeat, this is just a slump. A really bad time to slump, as it might lead to a quick first round exit. No need to trade everyone.

We had a great season, even though we quite possibly overachieved, but that doesn't mean we have to blow up the team.

Same with Price. Is he a great goaltender? No. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. He's still a pretty decent starter.
Yah...he is. If not for 3 terrible games he'd have like .920 I bet. Shorter season and harder to erase those games. Either way, we're fine.

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04-17-2013, 07:06 PM
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I think we are overrating Emelin a bit too much. If he was that good, we would have noticed it while he was playing. He does bring a lot of intangibles, but we knew that already. Stop blaming this run on the loss of Emelin, he isn't much more then a second defenseman.

Blame it on goaltending, bad luck, and overall sloppy play.

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04-17-2013, 07:07 PM
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Remember the centennial season? I do. We were killer for 3 months, then lost a pivotal player in Lang which threw our balance out the window and the whole team lost confidence. Feels just like this with Emelin's injury replacing Lang's. Hope I'm wrong.
This is one of the best posts I have seen on HFBoards in a while.

You addressed what a lot of people refuse to believe exists. You call it balance. I call it chemistry. Confidence and momentum. We had a combination of symbiotic relationships among the linemates.

And then came the upset of the balance. It was not an injury. It was Michel Therrien who came up with the brilliant idea to take a very successful team with lines that were working together and blow it all up.

Rene Bourque came back to the team after missing most of the season. The team had scored 115 goals without Bourque in the lineup.

Instead of inserting Bourque into the lineup in a manner that would provide a smooth transition, Therrien decided that a complete overhaul was needed.

Bourque to the top line. Sure, Bourque scored a goal (should have been Gionta's but the puck somehow hit Bourque's stick). But that was the end of that line.

Pleks and Gionta have done nothing with Bourque. Bourque is out of position and that line had chemistry with Ryder and somehow always found an open Ryder for a quality shot.

The 1st line's chemistry was destroyed.

2nd line stays the same.

The third line of Eller, Chuckie and Prust were on fire. They were scoring and playing great tight defense. Remove Prust and insert Ryder. Ryder has ZERO chemistry with Eller and Prust. Ryder is also the teams leading goal scorer. As baffled as I am with that decision, I am sure that the players are just as confused as to why the leading scorer was demoted to the third line, a line that does not give Ryder any chance of succeeding since he is not as effective on D nor is he given a chance to score goals.

The 3rd line's chemistry was destroyed as was the effectiveness of our top scoring forward.

The fourth line became a Prust Halpern Moen line. Moen has been ineffective all season. Halpern is a face off specialist and not much else. Prust is a 3rd line forward being forced to play junk minutes with two forwards lacking skill.

The 4th line remained a waste of Prust's talents and contributed nothing to the offense.


And here we are today wondering what the hell happened and why this team suddenly looks like a crap team from last year.

The domino effect has taken hold. Getting the momentum back will be like herding cats. It is a foolish move to completely change the lines right before the playoffs start.

Let's start thinking about next season. Therrien channeled Carbo and forgot that proper player management is needed to win.

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This slump is a test of our team's character. A month ago I thought we we were a bit light, our toughness on forward was Prust and White, on defense it was Emelin. Emilin is out, White in the doghouse and Prust it seems we are alternating between injury recovery and fighting wtf not smart use of assets. So I still believe but we are lighter than we were.

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04-17-2013, 07:11 PM
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I think we are overrating Emelin a bit too much. If he was that good, we would have noticed it while he was playing. He does bring a lot of intangibles, but we knew that already. Stop blaming this run on the loss of Emelin, he isn't much more then a second defenseman.

Blame it on goaltending, bad luck, and overall sloppy play.
Yeah. It's stupid to claim this slump is due to one single guy, and that guy is nowhere near a star player by any stretch of the imagination. The cause is a combo of multiple events (clinching a PO spot is one).

Edit: it's the culmination of multiple events
- clinching PO spot
- losing another regular D in emelin
- Price plays bad
- DD/Maxpac keep being unproductive while defensively-chanllenged as always.
- Ryder dried up after being moved away from Plek
- Gionta still very very average


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I'm glad this is happening. Better now than in the playoffs. This is a message to Management to see where we need work.

-Better defense. After Subban and Markov, there's a huge drop off. We need a #3 and #4. I think Gorges is a #5 defenseman. A 32 year old Hamrlik would be an idea #3 and Wisniewski would top our top 4.

1-Subban
2-Markov
3-Hamrlik-like (Emelin)
4-Wisniewski-like (Diaz)
5-Gorges
6-Boullion

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We are murdered.

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04-17-2013, 07:16 PM
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Ironic. You're arguing habs fans do this to themselves then claim we always sucked. C'mon. Habs are a playoff team. We've seen them come back in games and always compete. Let's relax, you guys are too fickle.
Didn't say we sucked. I said the D was not good. It hasn't been for a few seasons.

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And I repeat, this is just a slump. A really bad time to slump, as it might lead to a quick first round exit. No need to trade everyone.

We had a great season, even though we quite possibly overachieved, but that doesn't mean we have to blow up the team.

Same with Price. Is he a great goaltender? No. That doesn't mean we should get rid of him. He's still a pretty decent starter.
A slump is fine. But we are getting obliterated. 3 goals in the 1st period of each of the 3 games. 5,7 and 4 goals allowed in 7 1/2 periods. This is a disaster.

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