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Eric Dazé likely to play in the NHL next year

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08-23-2006, 10:49 PM
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I'd give him a look. Nothing to lose.

Backs are funny things. Look at Gary Roberts. He retired in 1996 after basically missing two seasons, and was considered completely done. I remember people laughing at Carolina when they gave up Giguere for him when he's played something like 30 games in three years. A decade later he's still going strong at age 40.

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08-23-2006, 10:52 PM
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I'd give him a look. Nothing to lose.

Backs are funny things. Look at Gary Roberts. He retired in 1996 after basically missing two seasons, and was considered completely done. I remember people laughing at Carolina when they gave up Giguere for him when he's played something like 30 games in three years. A decade later he's still going strong at age 40.
However, Gary Roberts is one of the most fitness-obsessed players ever, and is very diligent on keeping himself in tip-top shape. Chelios the same.

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08-23-2006, 10:52 PM
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I'd give him a look. Nothing to lose.

Backs are funny things. Look at Gary Roberts. He retired in 1996 after basically missing two seasons, and was considered completely done. I remember people laughing at Carolina when they gave up Giguere for him when he's played something like 30 games in three years. A decade later he's still going strong at age 40.
that is due in large part to Roberts being a fitness freak and he works out like crazy to keep that back in working order.

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08-23-2006, 10:55 PM
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that is due in large part to Roberts being a fitness freak and he works out like crazy to keep that back in working order.
Haha, beat you

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However, Gary Roberts is one of the most fitness-obsessed players ever, and is very diligent on keeping himself in tip-top shape. Chelios the same.
Being a manager at a hotel in New York where teams stay when on the road Ive only seen one playeer work harder in the gym in the past three years. Roberts is an animal alot of core training... and chelios could very well be the next Jon Basteow(chris trains for about 2 hours a day even on gamers)......

Ironically the person that is the ultimate Gym rat is none other than Dr. Cornelius himself Lyle Odeline......i guess he pumps himself up to sit on the bench or the box

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08-24-2006, 12:53 AM
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Agree on Daze's general injuries and 3 back surguries.

However, Eric Daze was NEVER (and I mean EVER) going to be a Bertuzzi type power forward. He would go into the high traffic area's to score, but he never initiated any sort of physical game. His best asset was a GREAT shot and release.

And to Peter Bondra #12 - Daze was actually a very good skater. He wasn't Pavel Bure by any stretch, but he was a very good skater for his size.
But still, without 4 years of playing in the NHL that much, he would be a bit slower and I dont think he would be faster after a such long layoff.

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08-24-2006, 05:24 AM
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Cool, good luck to him on a healthy season.

Some players see far too much of the injury bug.

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I say invite Daze to camp and ..... if he's able to handle the grind - sign him to a contract that has some games played incentives....

Although it would hit the Canucks cap space.... he'd be a low risk for Vancouver's RW.
Keep his minutes reasonable in the first half .... and keep him monitored by the training staff to minimise injuries. If he hits the IR, Canucks can replace him.
Afterall, he's 31.... and at 31 you can still bounce back strong if you're healthy and have the right fitness. Give it 3 years... and it's lights out!

I say sign him and get the best specialists on anatomy muscle balance, work on him and he's a strong possiblity (of course this is if he shows well in CAMP)

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Obviously he needs more money before he can retire. He is too scarey to work cashier at a McDonalds.

1 more year of paychecks for 1 more NHL game.
As I have always like Eric Daze - I hate to have to agree.

I live in Chicago, and before last season all we heard was how Daze's back was in a lot better shape after a year and a half off with no hockey. End result - 12 minutes played, $2.9M. Daze basically made $14,500,000 per hour he played in the NHL last year.

If it was any other team than the Hawks, I'd say there NO WAY in hell a comeback could happen. But it is the Hawks, and I'm beyond shock at this point in time.

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League minimum, incentive-laden contract? A couple of teams could definitely try him out if he signed for that.

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08-24-2006, 11:59 AM
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It's too bad the back injuries hit. Inconsistency was always his biggest foe after his Calder finalist rookie season. He really responded well to Brian Sutter's coaching in the 2001-02 season and he looked like he had turned a corner on his career. But then the back pain started, and back injuries continue to confound in all sports.

He could have been his generation's Dave Andreychuk or Tim Kerr: a towering forward who wasn't fast or overly physical, but used his size to his advantage in front of the net, especially on the power play, and had really soft hands for deflections. Wasn't going to be Neely or Shanahan or Tocchet. But he could have been the best forward in the league for setting up in front of the net on the power play.

Would I sign him? Not likely. The back is too unpredictable. There has been a great improvement in treating injuries over the last two decades. Yet back injuries continue to be a problem They probably always will be a problem to treat. I'd want to run an extensive series of on-and-off ice tests to ensure he's healthy. And if he does come back, will Daze be willing to take the punishment in front of the net, with his history of back problems? If he isn't, you have a 6'4", 230-pound forward who doesn't hit.

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08-24-2006, 12:09 PM
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I'd give him a look. Nothing to lose.

Backs are funny things. Look at Gary Roberts. He retired in 1996 after basically missing two seasons, and was considered completely done. I remember people laughing at Carolina when they gave up Giguere for him when he's played something like 30 games in three years. A decade later he's still going strong at age 40.
Roberts problem was his neck and shoulder, not his back. Not sure how they differ from the neck, perhaps if we have a medical guru around here, he could answer it. I think the neck problems started after taking one too many crosschecks while standing in front of the net against Vancouver in the 1994 playoffs.

Roberts return is more than just his conditioning. It's his resiliency. I remember he suffered a leg injury on a knee-on-knee collision about two-thirds of the way through the 1992-93 season. There was discussion the leg might be amputated due to a blood clot. He was back in time for the playoffs. He also played the final weeks of the 1993-94 season, and the playoff series against Vancouver, with a shattered finger after a slash against Toronto. One of the toughest, most determined players in many, many years.

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Best of luck to him... but lets face facts: he's played 20 NHL games in whats going to be 4 years... I can't imagine anyone coming back and being the same after that.

It's a shame... he would have been a Bertuzzi-type power forward if he wasn't ruined by injuries.

I really cannot disagree with you more in your assertion that Daze would have been a Bertuzzi-like power forward. I watched Daze firsthand while living in Chicago for many years and the guy was as much a power forward as I am. (which is to say, not in the least.) He rarely initiated contact and was not a bull with the puck, driving through defenders. He had the size but never played with a physical edge at all.

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08-24-2006, 07:07 PM
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Roberts problem was his neck and shoulder, not his back. Not sure how they differ from the neck, perhaps if we have a medical guru around here, he could answer it. I think the neck problems started after taking one too many crosschecks while standing in front of the net against Vancouver in the 1994 playoffs.

Roberts return is more than just his conditioning. It's his resiliency. I remember he suffered a leg injury on a knee-on-knee collision about two-thirds of the way through the 1992-93 season. There was discussion the leg might be amputated due to a blood clot. He was back in time for the playoffs. He also played the final weeks of the 1993-94 season, and the playoff series against Vancouver, with a shattered finger after a slash against Toronto. One of the toughest, most determined players in many, many years.
Roberts had neck problems ever since he was hit head first into the boards at maple leaf gardens... he retired do to constant burners down his arms cause by a nerve problem in his neck... a great physical therapist... his fitness dediation and the time off are what allowed Roberts to return to playing in the NHL

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The Yotes should sign him. Just think...

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I was thinking the same thing. This guy is right up Barnett's alley.

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I was thinking the same thing. This guy is right up Barnett's alley.
Oh no, Barnett is going to love this (scroll down to the last two pictures)...

http://editorial.gettyimages.com/sou...%7c0&p=2&tag=1

...it looks like he and Edzo have already shared some success together. Barney sees chemistry.


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If he comes back I guarantee he playes less than 40 games

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Roberts had neck problems ever since he was hit head first into the boards at maple leaf gardens... he retired do to constant burners down his arms cause by a nerve problem in his neck... a great physical therapist... his fitness dediation and the time off are what allowed Roberts to return to playing in the NHL
I have to believe that most of Gary Robert's neck problems had to do with the '94 playoff series against the Canucks. Throughout his career, Roberts has ran more goalies than any other hockey player in the history of mankind. Well, in '94 the Canucks made him pay. Big time.

In Game Two, GR ran McLean 3 times and scored twice. You don't do that to a Quinn-coached team. I have never witnessed such brutal retribution in all my days. And yes, I saw Bertuzzi on Moore. Everyone knew that Roberts was having some neck problems and the Canucks dee made damn sure they exploited the weakness. Every time Roberts stood in front of the neck, he took a vicious cross-check to the back of the neck from either Murzyn, Diduck, Babych, or even Jeff Brown. Sometimes I was sure they'd be calling for the stretcher....

He only made it back for 8 games the following season. There was talk of him retiring then. The season after that, he played in pain for 35 games before calling it quits.

No one will ever convince me that my beloved Canucks didn't have a big hand in forcing Gary Roberts ~2 year retirement.

Roberts is a tough SOB, but an SOB nonetheless. A goalie-assaulting SOB....


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I'd like to see Daze come back and have a decent NHL career... unfortunately that looks doubtful... but if he were to sign a 1 year incentive laden contract i'd give him a chance

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Bertuzzi power forward in terms of his size and soft hands for a big man.

Sure he wasn't a grinder or as much of a physical player... but from what I remember from the 01-02 season ... he used his size very well and drove to the net.
Isn't having a physical dimension to the game, as well as a scoring touch, a requirement for being a power forward? Keith Tkachuk potted 50 goals that one year, while spending over 200 minutes in the box. In his prime, Tkachuk was a prototypical power forward. To compare, Dave Andreychuk would just park in front of the net, and bang in rebounds. He used his size to tie up defensemen, not dish out punishment.

Without really having watched many Blackhawks games over the years, Daze's style, without the results, was probably much closer to Andreychuks than Tkachuk's.

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Kind've. He wasn't a rebound guy, more like a 6"4 sniper. Dude had a laser shot that he could get off very quickly.

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The Blues are a prime canidate to put somthing like a 2 year 2 millions a year contract in front of Daze. If JD and company decide he is for real.

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I'd love to see him come back. Don't know why but I've always liked the guy. Showed flashes of brilliance and dominance.

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The Blues are a prime canidate to put somthing like a 2 year 2 millions a year contract in front of Daze. If JD and company decide he is for real.
Ack! Try 1 year, $500K guaranteed with incentives that could bump him to $3 million or so. If he back is still in bad shape, I don't want to be on the hook for $4 million guaranteed with him.

I agree with others, he's worth consideration for a low guaranteed price and incentives - but for teams already pushing the cap, they'll have to consider the chances of Daze hitting any bonuses because at the end of the season they could find themselves over $44 million and the overage would count against them next season.

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