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04-17-2013, 09:33 PM
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Nope, 4th actually, because we played one more game than them.
Boston has 71% chance to finish 2nd.
We have 27%... but these numbers does tell the whole story.

Habs needs to get back in a winning mode.
Let's hope we can play a good defense against TBL.
At this point I would be happy with a 1-0 win in SO.

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04-17-2013, 09:33 PM
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I don't post here often, usually just lurk, but I can tell from many of the comments when this team loses or goes in a slump, and the drama queens come out of the wood work, that they likely never played the game of hockey at a competitive level in their life.

Unfortunately the majority of Habs fan are two faced drama queens with a slight case of bipolar disorder. There is no other team in major sports who's fan base turn on their team as quickly as Habs fans do.

For all of you in a panic, put your purses down, uncross your legs, remove your high heels and relax. This year wasn't "our year" to win the cup, this is the year a group of young, hungry, inexperienced players gets a chance to experience playoff hockey. If they get past the 1st round, it's a huge accomplishment, if they stretch the 2nd round to 6 or 7 games, and even more fantastic accomplishment, and anything beyond that is just a Cinderella story.

You lose as a team and you win as a team, and you can't win as a team when the entire team playing in front of the goalies is missing plays, reading plays wrong, leaving guys unchecked, not taking away passing lanes, and having complete defensive breakdowns. Were there some bad goals that Price and Buds would normally stop in the last 3 games, absolutely, but to put the entire blame on goal tending, or DD, or Georges for a loss is pure stupidity and shows you either have no hockey IQ at all, or you just like to complain in general.

They will bounce back, every team in the league aside form the power house teams like Pit and Chi etc... will go through a slump during a season. Ours is just happening a little close to the payoffs, but better now than at the start of the playoffs. They have 4-5 games left to work on getting back to where they were. They shows some guts and heart popping 4 goals tonight. This might just be the game they need to get back on track.

Chill out ladies.
What's surprising is the reactions of some of the big posters. A week ago they were singing a completely different tune.

The team is in a slump! One that we thought would happen from the start of the season.

No therrien is not a bad coach... Look what's he's done with the team this season. No bergy is not a bad gm, still dont like the DD term. No gorges is not a bottom pairing d, although he hasn't been good lately.

And yes the D is soft! It has been the whole season! Not many defences would be good with 2 top 4 defenseman out of the lineup. They need to adapt and soon!

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04-17-2013, 09:34 PM
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That's funny. Boston doesn't want it either.
We've had a hard time against Toronto and the Islanders this year, so it doesn't matter where we finish.

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I disagree.

5th fewest shots on net.
Probably the most points from the D.

We're one of the few teams to have two #1 D.

Our defense was really good. Now every mistake end up in the net. Pucks deflect off our players into our own goal. Everything is happening !
Fewest shots isn't always indicative of how great a D is. But how a system is playing, how the entire team, including the forwards buy in the system and helps their D's and so on. We've also had the most powerplay minutes so it cuts down on the ES minute against us. Offensively, we're great thanks at 2 guys. And Markov defensively, isn't a #1D.

My point is that on a condensed 48-game season and next year on a longer 82-game season, we will see the flaws of that D. Aging Markov who isn't as fast, and smaller D who keeps being pounded, at one point, it has to show.

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04-17-2013, 09:35 PM
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Nope, 4th actually, because we played one more game than them.
Oh right, my bad. I forgot their game against Ottawa was cancelled.

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I'm fine with slumps. I really am. I've seen slumps though that doesn't end up in blowout every single game. Losses sure...but better efforts for sure nonetheless. And my point is that, while I'm fine with slumps, reality is that momentum is key for playoffs. Hey, but if how we do in playoffs, this year, isn't important, I'm fine with that too.
Momemtum doesn't guarantee anything. Likewise for entering the POs without it.

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I agree, but overall we still allow 5th fewest shots on net per game. I think we have been solid defensively comparatively to other teams. Part of it is that we often took the lead in the first with strong play and this allowed us to dictate the rest of the game (like the pens did tonight).
Number of shots against doesn't really mean we've been good defensively. It just means we've had the control of the puck more.

The low shot totals doesn't at all reflect the quality of chances those shots are. which lets face it have been golden opportunities of late, leaving the goalies with little to on chance at all.

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You know he got kicked out too right? and a fight? Missed like 12-13 minutes of the third right there.
5 minute major and kicked out for the final 4:32.. Probably still around 20 minutes played if these penalties didn't happen which still isn't enough for you best player. He should be getting 25+ minutes a night for this weak defense.

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04-17-2013, 09:37 PM
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Fewest shots isn't always indicative of how great a D is. But how a system is playing, how the entire team, including the forwards buy in the system and helps their D's and so on. We've also had the most powerplay minutes so it cuts down on the ES minute against us. Offensively, we're great thanks at 2 guys. And Markov defensively, isn't a #1D.

My point is that on a condensed 48-game season and next year on a longer 82-game season, we will see the flaws of that D. Aging Markov who isn't as fast, and smaller D who keeps being pounded, at one point, it has to show.
Pretty sure Bergevin will make some changes to this D squad in the summer.

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04-17-2013, 09:38 PM
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Ok guys we now had three games to complain all we want. And to ***** that Price is not that good. But that time has pass...

Now we need to believe !

Carey 's going to have a hot streak ( let's Carey )

Desharnais's going to produce more !!! ( go DD go)

Everyone is going to turn it around for the playoffs !

Every Habs players have weaknesses but I love them nonetheless so no complaining and just cheering ! Yes that time has come !

Go Habs you can do it !

Go Habs Go !

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04-17-2013, 09:39 PM
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ok we didn't lose our best defensman I will give you that. But we lost our most physical guy, the only player who was actually throwing hits, best partner for Markov, and even a guy who collected more points than Gorges and Bouillon combined with no PP time. His absence is the reason our defense sucks now. We were winning with him, we are losing without him. Simple. You lose one of Markov, Subban, or Emelin and our defense suffers.
I could give you all of that. So I guess that somehow, you are ALSO saying that our depth sucks. In your own words, so fine. Not starting a war with you. But please, just tell me that if we lose badly in the 1st round, you will NOT use that absence to justify us losing bad, if we lose, so that you'd be satisfied with the same freakin D including Emelin next year. 'Cause I'll tell you, it won't cut it EVEN with Emelin.

And YES I LOVE TO BE MORE PHYSICAL. Yes, we miss that. Of course we do. Which means....BRING BE 2 OR 3 more guys like that. You'd have to agree with that.

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04-17-2013, 09:41 PM
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Bourque= Plekanec=gallagher
Pacioretty=Galchenyuk=DD/Eller
Moen/Dumont=Eller/DD=Gionta
Moen/Dumont=Halpern=Blunden
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Boullion=Subban
Markov=Weber
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Momemtum doesn't guarantee anything. Likewise for entering the POs without it.
There are no guarantees. But it sure as hell helps....

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I say Carey's going to carey the team to the stanley cup go habs go !

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Pretty sure Bergevin will make some changes to this D squad in the summer.
Let's hope so.

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There are no guarantees. But it sure as hell helps....
Don't worry we'll get that momentum going in the last 3 games ! I believe !

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Fewest shots isn't always indicative of how great a D is. But how a system is playing, how the entire team, including the forwards buy in the system and helps their D's and so on. We've also had the most powerplay minutes so it cuts down on the ES minute against us. Offensively, we're great thanks at 2 guys. And Markov defensively, isn't a #1D.
I'm talking about team defense. It's the only defense there is. Having possession of the puck a lot is part of having a good defense.

And we have good Ds with good first passes who help us keep possession. It's not all about how they play in their own end without the puck either.

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My point is that on a condensed 48-game season and next year on a longer 82-game season, we will see the flaws of that D. Aging Markov who isn't as fast, and smaller D who keeps being pounded, at one point, it has to show.
The 82 game season will give us more time to rest in between games though. In some ways it's easier.

Besides, no need to worry about next year just yet. MB said : you can never have enough dmen. I think he realizes that it's important. Next year once we buy out Kaberle, and we let Weber go, I'm sure MB will shore up the D so situations like these don't happen anymore.

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Ok guys, I have been a lurker for quite a while now.... but one particular thing is pissing me off in this board : OVERREACTIONS !!

Yes, there is a concern on our poor D squad and a question mark on goaltending. That being said, I firmly believe Price will bounce back and Diaz comeback will help our defense by bumping out DD44 out of the lineup... well, I hope so.

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Let's hope so.
It's worrisome because we have such a huge amount of D prospects, MB might not act on the weak Dcore. We need a physical Dman and even tinordi can't fit that role next year. while I'm sure MB feels no need to rush our prospects, boullion isn't the answer. We need a guy who is both a crease clearer and a fighter. Especially is Emelin isn't ready you're the start of the season

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We have good puck moving d from MArkov to Subban to even Bouillion and Gorges.

They are in a funk right now but if we are positive positive stuff will happen and we'll start dominating again !

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Yeah, the primary focus has obviously changed from going after the divisional crown, to simply finding some structure, and getting your goalie back.

You got less than 2 weeks to find it again. You simply cannot expect this club to turn it on like a light switch when the playoffs start. They are capable of playing better, and its a matter of finding it at the right time, but time is running out.

Despite the team's shortcomings, everybody knows they are better than this.

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Ok guys, I have been a lurker for quite a while now.... but one particular thing is pissing me off in this board : OVERREACTIONS !!

Yes, there is a concern on our poor D squad and a question mark on goaltending. That being said, I firmly believe Price will bounce back and Diaz comeback will help our defense by bumping out DD44 out of the lineup... well, I hope so.
Every board on HF would be like this if their team was embarrassed the past 3 games after playing great all season.

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Ok guys, I have been a lurker for quite a while now.... but one particular thing is pissing me off in this board : OVERREACTIONS !!

Yes, there is a concern on our poor D squad and a question mark on goaltending. That being said, I firmly believe Price will bounce back and Diaz comeback will help our defense by bumping out DD44 out of the lineup... well, I hope so.
If Diaz can come back as the same player as when he got injured, expect good things in the playoffs.

I'd go with :

Markov-Subban
Gorges-Diaz
Bouillon-Drew

And play the crap out of the top 4. Give easy minutes to Bouillon-Drew.

The Diaz that got injured was infinitely more useful to the team than Emelin. People overestimate the importance of Emelin and his hits. He was definitely bringing something nice to the table but Diaz is better and will help our transition.

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Fans let the score dictate their view of the game. If we were dominated so bad how come pens didn't even manage 30 shots on net ? It wasn't THAT bad. FFS Budaj gave up 3 goals on 9 shots. We were in a huge hole early on, what do you want to do against the best team in the east after such a bad start ?
Is it possible that you were watching the scoring table rather the ice?

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We are still tied with the Bruins for first in the division. And our slump is coming to an end ! I firmly believe we will finish first in the division !

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