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04-17-2013, 09:20 PM
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I would do Zibanejad + Cowen for Hall.

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04-17-2013, 09:21 PM
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Would love to have Eberle on the Sens!! Although I'm afraid that the cost would be way too high.

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04-17-2013, 09:21 PM
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I think Hall for Cowen+Zibanejad would be a pretty good offer.

Sens get a high end winger, with super star potential.

Oilers get a perfect partner for Shultz and 2nd line center with some size.

All players are young and have potential to be better.
Sens win that trade. Easily.

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I would do Zibanejad + Cowen for Hall.
And I'd do J. Schultz and Eberle for Karlsson.

(but I bet you wouldn't)

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04-17-2013, 09:25 PM
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I think Hall for Cowen+Zibanejad would be a pretty good offer.

Sens get a high end winger, with super star potential.

Oilers get a perfect partner for Shultz and 2nd line center with some size.

All players are young and have potential to be better.
Nope, hall are way better than those two but zibanejad and cowen have potential to be a very good 2nd line center and #2-#3 defenseman respectively. Zibby is a center and cowen is a defenseman, ottawa loses skill in 2 important positions

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04-17-2013, 09:27 PM
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Dont know why OP made a proposal for hall and a bad one too, as a sens fan Id rather trade for eberle which is more reasonable and a better fit since spezza likes to play with snipers.

What do edmonton fans think about ceci,1st, smith/ greening and gryba for eberle
Take it easy if my offer was bad
I'm not an Oilers fan, but that's pretty bad.

Cowen + Silfverberg would be a better starting point.

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04-17-2013, 09:30 PM
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I'm not an Oilers fan, but that's pretty bad.

Cowen + Silfverberg would be a better starting point.
damn, Im not sure I would do that, cowen to me has a very good potential. Id take out cowen and more

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04-17-2013, 09:30 PM
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No,

I'll try to be realistic for the OP sake,

Taylor Hall

For

Spezza
Cowen
Greening
Next 2 first rounders
Give your head a shake for even thinking that it's realistic and yourself a slap on the cheeks for posting it. That is worst than the OP

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04-17-2013, 09:32 PM
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damn, Im not sure I would do that, cowen to me has a very good potential
What exactly does Hall have? A finished potential? What you see is what you get? He's better than both and there's nothing showing from either Sens player they'll be even close to Hall in the future.

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04-17-2013, 09:35 PM
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What exactly does Hall have? A finished potential? What you see is what you get? He's better than both and there's nothing showing from either Sens player they'll be even close to Hall in the future.
dude, Im not trading for hall, I proposed for eberle

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04-17-2013, 10:14 PM
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If Hall is going to the Sens, Karlsson better be coming back. So in other words, it's a no-go.

If any of the kids are going, expect to pay a huge price. To put it into perspective, Eberle's the most likely to get traded and he had the 2nd best PPG in the West behind H. Sedin last year.

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04-17-2013, 10:18 PM
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Hall isn't going anywhere. Eberle and a 2nd or third you could have for Zibanijad and Cowen.

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04-17-2013, 10:22 PM
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Any player currently in the league would be moved for all 4
really? You'd move crosby for all 4? I wouldn't.

I'd move crosby for karlsson, lunquist, and stamkos (all three coming in one deal). that's pretty much it.

Not that Hall/Yak/RNH/Eberle aren't good players, they are. But the pens wouldn't get better trading crosby for those four, at least not at this juncture

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04-17-2013, 10:24 PM
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Jordan Eberle

Jakob Silfverberg + Zach Smith + Colin Greening + 1st rounder

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04-17-2013, 10:28 PM
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Jordan Eberle

Jakob Silfverberg + Zach Smith + Colin Greening + 1st rounder

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Zibanejad, Cowen, + would have to come back. That's the type of overpayment the Oilers would be looking for. Keep in mind Eberle doesn't HAVE to be traded and MacT should be listening to offers but he certainly shouldn't be shopping him. Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, and the 1st rounder are all in play before Eberle is IMO.

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really? You'd move crosby for all 4? I wouldn't.

I'd move crosby for karlsson, lunquist, and stamkos (all three coming in one deal). that's pretty much it.

Not that Hall/Yak/RNH/Eberle aren't good players, they are. But the pens wouldn't get better trading crosby for those four, at least not at this juncture
I would for all 4 if it was a purely hockey move. The optics of trading Crosby away would be pretty messed up.

Why wouldn't they get better? They might take a small hit in the short term (which is a testament to how great Crosby is) but they should win out handily in the long run.

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04-17-2013, 10:32 PM
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oilers fans on here wouldnt trade hall for lemieux. thats the type of overpayment they seem to expect.
I think you misunderstand. The Oilers fans don't expect that. They expect to keep Hall. There are some players a fan base values so highly they don't really care what you offer. The answer is no if it is anywhere close to fair value. The only way Oilers fans let go of Hall is if it is a ridiculous overpayment. IE Karlson plus. Hall is not worth that. That is just what it would take to make the fans let go of him.

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04-17-2013, 10:34 PM
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Zibanejad, Cowen, + would have to come back. That's the type of overpayment the Oilers would be looking for. Keep in mind Eberle doesn't HAVE to be traded and MacT should be listening to offers but he certainly shouldn't be shopping him. Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, and the 1st rounder are all in play before Eberle is IMO.
yeah i see what ya mean good point

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04-17-2013, 10:37 PM
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We need goaltending, defense, and some grit, so guys like Lehner and Cowen would be guys Edmonton would target, hypothetically of course.
Exactly. If you want Eberle or Hall or RNH or Yakupov to Ottawa then we are going to have to give up Lehner probably and Cowen or Zibanejad.

Do the Sens want to give up CHEAPER$$$ guys for guys already signed to bigger $$$ deals when they are close to contending? Hall is a nonstarter. RNH is so full of future potential and on still on EL deal. But they give up him and they would want Zibanejad as a bigger grittier centre AND Lehner or Cowen. Are the Senators better without a top backup future #1 goalie, or a future monster #1 pairing D-Man and current top 4 D-Man? Maybe in the future but not right now. Yakupov is least proven and liekly the cheapest to aquire but how does he fill a need worth given up a more proven D or G when Ottawa is on verge of contending?

Edmonton is dealing none of their recent #1 overall picks or Eberle for a bunch of future's or quantity. They will want Zibanejad, Lehner, Cowen.

I guess I could see a MASSIVE hockey trade between Edmonton and Ottawa with both teams getting what they need from each other, but that so rarely happens. Murray has done some crazy deals in the past, getting Luongo from the Islanders, Bure to Florida. So I guess it could actually be plausible, though incredibly unlikely.

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04-17-2013, 10:38 PM
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Zibanejad, Cowen, + would have to come back. That's the type of overpayment the Oilers would be looking for. Keep in mind Eberle doesn't HAVE to be traded and MacT should be listening to offers but he certainly shouldn't be shopping him. Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, and the 1st rounder are all in play before Eberle is IMO.
As an Oiler fan I don't think Eberle needs a big overpayment. Just fair value but 1 for 1 for a bigger tougher player that maybe has a little less offense but still good skill. In my mind Eberle is a great player but no where close to Hall in value or "untouchablility"

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04-17-2013, 10:43 PM
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Zibanejad, Cowen, + would have to come back. That's the type of overpayment the Oilers would be looking for. Keep in mind Eberle doesn't HAVE to be traded and MacT should be listening to offers but he certainly shouldn't be shopping him. Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, and the 1st rounder are all in play before Eberle is IMO.
yea, pretty much sums it up, the big 4 is highly valuable for the oilers but I would keep pjaarvi, if oilers want huge improvement to their team it can only come through big free agent signing or trading one of their big 4, I doubt gagner or hemsky will bring enough assets to significantly improve the team, meanwhile trading eberle or yakupov could net them the kind of players they need.

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I'm not an Oilers fan, but that's pretty bad.

Cowen + Silfverberg would be a better starting point.
The OP’s offer is pretty naive.

Having said that, no way Eberle for two blue chippers in Cowen + Silf will ever occur.

Ottawa cannot have Hall without parting with Cowen (projected to be Karlsson’s deputy), one of Zibanejad/Silfverberg, and a 1st rounder. I highly doubt many other teams can realistically offer a better package for Hall. Even then, I don’t see why Edmonton would do that as they are more likely to retain Hall and still get better defensively using other chips.

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Lehner, Ottawa’s best prospect and goalie of the future, is untouchable - especially since the Bishop trade.

Hall trade to Ottawa doesn’t make sense for either team, as per my previous post above yours.

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Edmonton and Ottawa look like good trading partners to be honest.

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Jordan Eberle

Jakob Silfverberg + Zach Smith + Colin Greening + 1st rounder

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Honestly this is probably good value, but personally I have two problems with it: 1. Silfverberg is another smaller winger; and 2. Edm really doesn't need 1sts. They'd be looking for young guys close to/already in the NHL. Hence why Cowen/Zibby/Lehner are getting thrown around most by Oil fans.

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