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04-17-2013, 07:46 PM
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If you absolutely needed a faceoff win........

Who do you take? Let's go from an all-time list here. I can think of the odd current player I would put on here as well, but I'll name a few players who were clutch faceoff guys and were guys that even if they lost a faceoff would never let themselves outright lose it at the wrong time.

Mark Messier - Had a lot of battles over the years with another great faceoff guy in Joel Otto. Whether it is on the offensive or defensive side of things I would feel confident with Messier in there.

Steve Yzerman - If I needed a goal I like him on there. I remember Yzerman in an interview saying that he knows when the ref is going to drop the puck because he makes a little move a second before the puck leaves his hand. I'd feel comfortable with him in there if I needed an offensive faceoff win and needed the puck back to the defenseman

Specifically on the defensive side...................

Jonathan Toews - Probably the best in the NHL right now at it. Smart player, always has been. One of those guys that people in 50 years will wonder why he was so revered but the ones who watched him won't. Kind of like Dave Keon. Arguably the first player in the NHL I would pick to have on the ice with a one goal lead in the dying seconds

Rod BrindAmour - At that point in the game he'd never let the other guy cleanly beat him. Was one of the best during his career

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Clarke and Trottier come to mind. Doug Jarvis was excellent. Patrice Bergeron is developing a reputation. I like the fight in Gilmour even though I don't have a clue how good he was at face offs.

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I'd have to take Brind'amour for his great faceoff ability in general or Sakic because of his solid faceoff ability but mostly his ability to do everything right in such clutch situations.

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All lefties mentioned so far, right? Minus Bergeron and Yzerman. Gotta get some righties in there in case the faceoff is on their side of the ice!

Adam Oates? Any notes or recollection of Henri Richard, he seems like a guy that would probably be good at them...For another lefty I'll add Ron Francis...

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Two Classics

LHS = Jean Beliveau. RHS = Henri Richard.

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Guy Carbonneau, Steve Kasper or Joe Sakic come to mind.

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Ted Kennedy

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His face-off skills were highly regarded and, since during Kennedy's era there were many more face offs than there are today, it was invaluable. The April 27, 1998, issue of Sport Illustrated published "The Best Ever on the Draw", a poll of NHL experts of the top ten players of all time for skills on the faceoff, and Kennedy was ranked at #1.[233] Lloyd Percival once called Kennedy the "Billy the Kid" of hockey.[234] Derek Sanderson, considered the best at faceoffs in the late 60s and 70s, related how his father had him watch Kennedy on the TV to learn the skill.[233] In a 1987 interview Kennedy told a reporter, "I went all-out at face-offs. Your centre is your quarterback and our other guys knew exactly what I was trying to do."[48] In the 1970s, GM of the Leafs, Jim Gregory asked Kennedy if he would help the team to improve their face-off performance. Kennedy agreed but with one stipulation. "This can't involve (just) the centermen. It has to involve all five guys," Kennedy told Gregory and coach Roger Neilson. "Everyone has to be in tune. Everybody has a job to do. This is a team."[235].

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04-17-2013, 10:01 PM
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Ron Francis.

Francis, Francis, Francis.

Best faceoff man ever.

HM to Yzerman, Bergeron, Toews, Yanic Perreault, and others mentioned in this thread.

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From the "Players Intangibles" thread stickied:

1971 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Derek Sanderson (Stan Mikita)
1974 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Stan Mikita (Bobby Clarke, Phil Esposito)
1976 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bobby Clarke (Stan Mikita, Doug Jarvis)
1979 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bobby Clarke (Doug Jarvis, Stan Mikita)
1981 player's poll: Best on Face-offs 1 Bobby Clarke 2 Doug Jarvis 3 Phil Esposito
1984 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bryan Trottier (Doug Jarvis, Barry Pederson, Bobby Clarke)

1993 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: Joel Otto (4), Peter Stastny (3), Ron Francis (3), Doug Gilmour (2), Adam Oates (2), Peter Zezel (1), Mark Messier (1), Mario Lemieux (1), Steve Yzerman (1), Jari Kurri (1), Dale Hunter (1), Brent Sutter (1)

mid-1994 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: Ron Francis (10), Joel Otto (7), Doug Gilmour (1), Ron Sutter (1), Adam Oates (1)

late-1994 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: 1. Joel Otto (8) 2. Ron Francis (7) 3. (tie) Doug Gilmour, Eric Lindros, Mark Messier (2). Others: Guy Carboneau, Travis Green, Kelly Kisio, Craig MacTavish, Adam Oates.

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Ron Francis, Rod Brind'amour.

Got them both in this years ATD.


Also Trottier, Messier, Clarke, Nieuwendyk, Yanic Perrault haha there have been quite a few guys who could get it done.

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Peter Zezel (1)
I can't believe I forgot Zezel! Faceoffs were practically all he was good for!

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I can't believe I forgot Zezel! Faceoffs were practically all he was good for!
He was great!

Was funny how often Leafs commentators would remark that "Zezel used to play soccer" when he'd use his feet to kick the puck free along the boards or tie up the stick an use his feet on a faceoff.

Could have made a drinking game of it.

(also you're selling him short!)

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Yanic Perreault was the go to guy as far as i'm concerned.

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He was great!

Was funny how often Leafs commentators would remark that "Zezel used to play soccer" when he'd use his feet to kick the puck free along the boards or tie up the stick an use his feet on a faceoff.

Could have made a drinking game of it.

(also you're selling him short!)
He was good on the PK and a decent third liner (second liner at his peak) but even his PK skills revolved mostly around his faceoff ability; gain possession of the puck and the other team doesn't have it and can't score.

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Bobby Clarke.

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if any of those guys had to faceoff against steckel they would lose. face the facts. steckel AINEC

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From the "Players Intangibles" thread stickied:

1971 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Derek Sanderson (Stan Mikita)
1974 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Stan Mikita (Bobby Clarke, Phil Esposito)
1976 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bobby Clarke (Stan Mikita, Doug Jarvis)
1979 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bobby Clarke (Doug Jarvis, Stan Mikita)
1981 player's poll: Best on Face-offs 1 Bobby Clarke 2 Doug Jarvis 3 Phil Esposito
1984 coach's poll: Best on Faceoffs - Bryan Trottier (Doug Jarvis, Barry Pederson, Bobby Clarke)

1993 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: Joel Otto (4), Peter Stastny (3), Ron Francis (3), Doug Gilmour (2), Adam Oates (2), Peter Zezel (1), Mark Messier (1), Mario Lemieux (1), Steve Yzerman (1), Jari Kurri (1), Dale Hunter (1), Brent Sutter (1)

mid-1994 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: Ron Francis (10), Joel Otto (7), Doug Gilmour (1), Ron Sutter (1), Adam Oates (1)

late-1994 coach's poll: Best Faceoff Man: 1. Joel Otto (8) 2. Ron Francis (7) 3. (tie) Doug Gilmour, Eric Lindros, Mark Messier (2). Others: Guy Carboneau, Travis Green, Kelly Kisio, Craig MacTavish, Adam Oates.
For a brief period Sanderson was as good as anyone. Overall Yannick Perrault was possibly most dominant ever.

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Doug Jarvis or Guy Carbonneau Zezel is a great choice and I'll throw Laurie Boschman in there as well.

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Trots for me. Guy was a machine in the circle through 3 decades.

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Jean Beliveau. Honorable mention to Trottier.

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Best Ive seen live, Yanic Perreault and Carbo.

Best Ive seen on video, Trottier.

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Yanic Perreault was the go to guy as far as i'm concerned.
agreed...

he was close 70% year in/out...

a master at the art of winning faceoffs

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Guys already mentioned - Sanderson, Clarke, Messier, Carbonneau...

I don't think Dave Keon's been mentioned yet.

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Of guys I haven't seen mentioned, Joel Otto would be high on my list, as would Chris Drury.

Present day? Paul Gaustad.

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