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04-01-2013, 10:27 PM
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So...Callahan goes back to playing with Stepan and Nash, and all of a sudden, no problem scoring. Hmmm...seems like someone made the case recently that whenever he played with the only guys producing this year, he produced just fine. Wonder who was making that point...
You can be smarmy if you want, but if you watched the game tonight, it was pretty damned obvious that Callahan's (return to his) balls-to-the-wall style did more to create for Stepan and Nash than the other way around. Not taking anything away from the other two, but Cally's goal was all him, and his primary assist to Stepan was a pass so pretty that even Higgins couldn't have screwed up.

Callahan had a great night because of how he played--not because of who he played with.

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4 points. Could use some more of that.

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04-01-2013, 10:51 PM
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You can be smarmy if you want, but if you watched the game tonight, it was pretty damned obvious that Callahan's (return to his) balls-to-the-wall style did more to create for Stepan and Nash than the other way around. Not taking anything away from the other two, but Cally's goal was all him, and his primary assist to Stepan was a pass so pretty that even Higgins couldn't have screwed up.

Callahan had a great night because of how he played--not because of who he played with.
I'm not being smarmy, the criticism doesn't make any sense to me, probably because it wasn't obvious to me. I don't think Callahan hasn't been playing "balls to the wall." He's just been playing with players who aren't doing anything offensively, and as a result, either was instructed to, or simply decided on his own (not without good reason), that he has to attempt to do more offensively. That's not when he's at his best, but it was the situation he was placed in by Tortorella (also, not totally without good reason). That seems pretty obvious to me.

He doesn't need to play with the puck as much when he plays with Stepan and Nash. Perfect example, Nash's goal. Callahan makes a tremendous play to drive to the net and divert attention to himself. I have been watching, and I've seen him do the same thing night in, night out. He just hasn't been doing it with Rick Nash streaking in behind him. He's been forced to handle the puck more often, and he's not Rick Nash either. More time with the puck on his stick means less opportunities for him to create an impact the way he does best: away from the puck.

It's not ideal for him to carry the puck, but if not him, than who? Gaborik, who shouldn't be carrying the puck through the neutral zone unless he's got a ton of time and space, which this team rarely does? Or young and inexperienced Miller, who plays hard but makes poor decisions with the puck every game? Maybe you'd prefer for Brian Boyle, of great speed and passing ability, to carry the puck. If he isn't playing with one of Stepan, Nash, or Hagelin, then he's carrying the puck a lot of the time. He hasn't spent much time with Richards, but Richards has been **** carrying the puck, anyway.

Even so, Cally made a terrific pass on Stepan's first goal, and Stepan scored. I've seen him make nice passes when playing with Gaborik, Miller, and Boyle, too. Those guys didn't score. What does that have to do with Callahan's effort level? He's actually probably a better passer and playmaker than a lot of people around here give him credit for. When playing with Stepan, he's produced at the same rate as last season, and when they are teamed with Nash, the results have been stellar.

You look around the league, and you see that most of the time, franchises CLING to players like Callahan, especially consistently successful ones. There's a reason for that. Guys like Callahan are rare, and they are extremely beneficial to have on your roster. They are more than the sum of their parts. Most players are not, and many are less. To single him out as a major issue on this team when you have two higher echelon cap hits on your team that are both playing like garbage all season long makes absolutely no sense to me. When you have Callahan playing with guys who are either struggling big time, rookies, or just not very good. When you have a bottom six full of below average scrap heap material.

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04-01-2013, 11:30 PM
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I'm just gonna say it. Why the hell has an invasion of player discussions' come up?

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04-02-2013, 12:03 AM
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I'm just gonna say it. Why the hell has an invasion of player discussions' come up?
Too many threads detailing too many players after too many games

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04-17-2013, 05:14 AM
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Interesting note: Callahan is 30th in the entire league in shots with 122. His shooting % is a measly 9%, in comparison to his past two years which he finished with a 12.3% and 12.8%.

I'm really not much of a stat guy, but that's a huge difference. I wonder if he's a bit snakebit and in his own head about it, or nagging shoulder, or what.

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04-17-2013, 07:09 PM
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He does not seem 100% to me. His shot seems weaker than in past so could be the shoulder.

I wish he would not play with an injury..,but as usual we don't have much choice due to us struggling to make playoffs.

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04-17-2013, 08:14 PM
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People said Dubinsky only played well for his contract and then coasted after that. But could we be seeing the same for Callahan? Or is his play down due to his body getting worn out?

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04-17-2013, 08:25 PM
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Oh god. Callahan playing this badly must be like Christmas in the Kershaw home

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04-17-2013, 08:56 PM
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People said Dubinsky only played well for his contract and then coasted after that. But could we be seeing the same for Callahan? Or is his play down due to his body getting worn out?
Didn't he have a career year last season? I don't see it as coasting.

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04-17-2013, 09:04 PM
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People said Dubinsky only played well for his contract and then coasted after that. But could we be seeing the same for Callahan? Or is his play down due to his body getting worn out?
I don't think people were right about Dubi. There are so many other factors aside from getting paid. Why would a player forsake the respect of their coworkers, their job security, the respect of their fans, and the accomplishment of being a productive NHL player, which I have to imagine most of them have worked very hard for their entire lives? Also, Callahan had his best year last year. I'm not sure there needs to be a good reason at this point. Players have ups and downs.

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04-17-2013, 10:23 PM
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Didn't he have a career year last season? I don't see it as coasting.
True, Callahan is definitely not the type of player that would be coasting....

Maybe we are starting to see a decline, also known as the Drury Disease. The body just weakens physically. Girardi also having symptoms of this. Going to need to get a closer look (TD next season) for proper diagnosis.

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04-17-2013, 10:34 PM
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So every player that is not performing well in a lockout shortened season is suddenly having their body break down? Sorry. Don't buy it, we will see next year whats what. Let's just try to get in the playoffs, that would be a success for this crazy season.

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04-18-2013, 02:49 PM
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So every player that is not performing well in a lockout shortened season is suddenly having their body break down? Sorry. Don't buy it, we will see next year whats what. Let's just try to get in the playoffs, that would be a success for this crazy season.
No, it's just in reference to their playing styles and wear and tear on the body.

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04-18-2013, 03:08 PM
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No, it's just in reference to their playing styles and wear and tear on the body.
Callahan is 28 years old. If we were 4 or 5 years older, I'd be quick to agree that his body may be wearing down.

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04-18-2013, 04:56 PM
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True, Callahan is definitely not the type of player that would be coasting....

Maybe we are starting to see a decline, also known as the Drury Disease. The body just weakens physically. Girardi also having symptoms of this. Going to need to get a closer look (TD next season) for proper diagnosis.
Drury's biggest decline was his degenerative knee disease . Callahan's looks more mental. It's like every time he gets the puck, he's thinking "please let this be it, please let this turn it around." He's not confident, and trying really hard to get it back.


Girardi's injured. Or banged up. Both he and McD are dealing with one or more nagging injures, I think. No evidence, mind you, but our D men are just getting brutalized this season

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04-24-2013, 08:22 AM
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Callahan has turned the puck over more this year than the rest of his career combined.

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04-24-2013, 09:05 AM
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Even with his pretty crappy play, he's still on pace for his average stat line.

He's projected 25 Goals, 23 Assists, 48 Points in a full season.

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04-24-2013, 12:09 PM
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Even with his pretty crappy play, he's still on pace for his average stat line.

He's projected 25 Goals, 23 Assists, 48 Points in a full season.
That's still about 10 points below his usual projected stats. He always misses 15+ games due to one shot blocking injury or another. Last time he scored 48 points, it was in 60 games.

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04-24-2013, 12:13 PM
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I am still wondering why Cally didn't shoot with the goalie down.
Cally had a below average game, he will bounce back.

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Seemed like last night Callahan had something on his tape that made the puck jump off it as soon as it came near. Just a bad game...it happens.

I think we just have to realize Callahan may never be a consistently high scorer in this league...but his hustle, leadership ability, and the times he does contribute on the scoreboard make him very valuable.

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Callahan is 28 years old. If we were 4 or 5 years older, I'd be quick to agree that his body may be wearing down.
Players can break down at 28-30. Look at Mike Peca, Shawn Horcoff, Mikael Renberg.

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Seemed like last night Callahan had something on his tape that made the puck jump off it as soon as it came near. Just a bad game...it happens.

I think we just have to realize Callahan may never be a consistently high scorer in this league...but his hustle, leadership ability, and the times he does contribute on the scoreboard make him very valuable.
I'm not much concerned about Cally's offense. It comes and goes more or less consistent with his skill set and work ethic.

But his decision making has been questionable at times this year. Often enough that it is noticeable. He has turned the puck over a lot just inside our blueline, just inside the oppositions blueline and in the neutral zone. He's made the type of mental mistakes that Dubinsky used to make all the time. And he looks a step or two slower.

To be fair I do think a portion of the problem is the teams system. The team never seems to know how to break out of their own zone, move through the neutral zone with speed, or gain the oppositions zone. The lack of momentum through the NZ on the dump ins or even the rush makes everyone even the faster players look slower.

But I would still like to see him play a tighter game.

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04-24-2013, 02:47 PM
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Callahan is tailor-made for Tortorella's system. Part of the problem.

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04-24-2013, 02:53 PM
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Callahan is tailor-made for Tortorella's system. Part of the problem.
Oy vey give it a rest

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