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04-18-2013, 12:59 AM
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It's his second year in the league. It's way too early to pull the plug on Couturier.
I agree, but that's my point. This year is largely a fallacy.

Next season will be much more telling of where couturier can go IMO, but I still wouldn't be surprised if he's traded.

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04-18-2013, 04:25 AM
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The Carter trade just continues to keep looking better and better.
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He also looked awful the 6 weeks before that...
So did the rest of the team. Not worried about Couturier at all. His development was really bungled up by Laviolette and company this year.

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I agree, but that's my point. This year is largely a fallacy.

Next season will be much more telling of where couturier can go IMO, but I still wouldn't be surprised if he's traded.
I'm not so sure, next season he'll still only be 21. A lot of players still struggle at that age, just look at Schenn and JVR. I'd like to hold on to Couts til he's at least 24 unless we can bring back a #1 defenseman in return. There's no need to trade him for a winger. He looks like he has the tools and vision to be a remarkable player, and right now his value is much lower than it should be cause he isn't producing points (obviously not much opportunity to). If he could just get a little faster..

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04-18-2013, 09:21 AM
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If Laughton makes the team next season Couts has to be in the top six and move Schenn to wing.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
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Edit: I don't want to see Laughton get the Couturier treatment and be stuck on the fourth line. I wouldn't hat it for about a quarter or half of the season but he needs to see top 9 minutes


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04-18-2013, 10:31 AM
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If Laughton makes the team next season Couts has to be in the top six and move Schenn to wing.

Schenn-Giroux-Voracek
Read-Couts-Simmonds
Gagne-Laguhton-Hartnell

Edit: I don't want to see Laughton get the Couturier treatment and be stuck on the fourth line. I wouldn't hat it for about a quarter or half of the season but he needs to see top 9 minutes
i don't like schenn at wing at all. he's shown to be most effective at C and we shouldn't be changing his place on the team when in all honesty, his development should be further along in the first place. if both couts and laughton are kept, it's laughton who should be moved to wing.

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04-18-2013, 10:35 AM
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i don't like schenn at wing at all. he's shown to be most effective at C and we shouldn't be changing his place on the team when in all honesty, his development should be further along in the first place. if both couts and laughton are kept, it's laughton who should be moved to wing.

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I would be fine with that as well, just wanted both Couts and Schenn to get top six minutes, but its not that important. But I also wouldn't mind seeing schenn on the left wing instead of the right like he played earlier this season. If they decide to go that way

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04-18-2013, 10:39 AM
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Before Jake came here I had barely seen him play. I remember that I knew he was gifted when it came to passing, but that's about it.

After the Richards/Carter trades I was extremely interested in this team's new pieces and I watched pre-season as closely as I could. A friend of mine asked me who looked good and I remember noting that Voracek was above and beyond everyone else on the ice. I thought he might be the "X-factor" last season and though he played well, he didnt take that next step per say. I was still really impressed.

Fast foward to this season, and I honestly believe he will become a much better player then Giroux. As everyone has said, he has all the tools necessary to be a super star in this league. If he has to work on anything it's his shot, but he has the size that Giroux doesn't have. Voracek can create his own chances with his speed/size, where as Giroux is learning quickly that without size, he needs others to create space for him.

Voracek to me is just flat out awesome to watch. He never gives up, and sometimes I feel like its a guarentee that he gets the puck in the zone and creates a scoring chance. Hell I feel like the rest of the team always lets him down after he works his ass off to get the puck into prime scoring areas. I also believe the powerplay took a turn for the better when Timonen started using Voracek on the opposite wall instead of force feeding Giroux. If he can work on his shot he will be nasty... 23 years old?

Pretty excited about his future here.

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04-18-2013, 10:43 AM
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I would be fine with that as well, just wanted both Couts and Schenn to get top six minutes, but its not that important. But I also wouldn't mind seeing schenn on the left wing instead of the right like he played earlier this season. If they decide to go that way
i think the reason they had him at RW because if you notice, in lavi's system, the RW and the C are a lot of times interchangeable in the neutral zone and on the forecheck. A lot of times you'll see jake roaming center ice in the neutral zone on the backcheck while G and whoever else attack the puck carrier. sort of a hybrid left wing lock. Schenn may be more effective on the LW, but he could also be less effective than he was on the right side. id rather just keep him at C, at least until he gets more comfortable at the NHL level and gets closer to his ceiling. then again, this all could change if lavi is replaced.

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04-18-2013, 10:45 AM
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The best thing about Voracek to is that contract. My god if he continues at a PPG clip for the next couple of seasons, at that price(4,250,000) he is a steal. Signed until 2019 also. We might see a whole lot of jealous people around the NHL with that type of production on that contract.

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04-18-2013, 10:46 AM
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i think the reason they had him at RW because if you notice, in lavi's system, the RW and the C are a lot of times interchangeable in the neutral zone and on the forecheck. A lot of times you'll see jake roaming center ice in the neutral zone on the backcheck while G and whoever else attack the puck carrier. sort of a hybrid left wing lock. Schenn may be more effective on the LW, but he could also be less effective than he was on the right side. id rather just keep him at C, at least until he gets more comfortable at the NHL level and gets closer to his ceiling. then again, this all could change if lavi is replaced.
I have no problem with that. I would love to see the defensive abilities of a line with Laughton and Couts on it

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The best thing about Voracek to is that contract. My god if he continues at a PPG clip for the next couple of seasons, at that price(4,250,000) he is a steal. Signed until 2019 also. We might see a whole lot of jealous people around the NHL with that type of production on that contract.
Holmgren did a great job on the Voracek and Simmond's deals.

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04-18-2013, 12:41 PM
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No. Definitely not. I'd rather keep Voracek and pursue Ryan in FA.
I agree with you Beef. Jake is a keeper. You add not subtract.

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04-18-2013, 01:00 PM
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So did the rest of the team. Not worried about Couturier at all. His development was really bungled up by Laviolette and company this year.
"Couturier! How could you let Briere make a mistake!? You're benched for the 3rd."

"Coach, I wasn't even on the ice."

"Now you're benched for the 4th too, young man!"

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I don't know how good he'll become, but his PPG right now is no fluke.

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04-18-2013, 01:11 PM
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The best thing about Voracek to is that contract. My god if he continues at a PPG clip for the next couple of seasons, at that price(4,250,000) he is a steal. Signed until 2019 also. We might see a whole lot of jealous people around the NHL with that type of production on that contract.
Ladies and gentlemen your Philadelphia Flyers. Home of both the worst contracts (Bryzgalov, Briere, Shelley) and best contracts (Giroux, Voracek) in the league.

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It's really not fair for the rest of the NHL if the Flyers have Voracek. I mean he is part snake.

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Ladies and gentlemen your Philadelphia Flyers. Home of both the worst contracts (Bryzgalov, Briere, Shelley) and best contracts (Giroux, Voracek) in the league.
Briere's contract isn't among the worst in the league--his actual salary is less than half his cap hit going forward, which many teams would welcome. It doesn't work in Philly, but that doesn't make it among the worst in the league.

Shelley got overpaid by $200-$300k and a year--but I don't think that qualifies either.

Bryzgalov? He belongs in the conversation--not the other two.

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The best thing about Voracek to is that contract. My god if he continues at a PPG clip for the next couple of seasons, at that price(4,250,000) he is a steal. Signed until 2019 also. We might see a whole lot of jealous people around the NHL with that type of production on that contract.
I think Homer setup two potential nice deals in Voracek's and Simmonds' contracts this past summer.

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If they keep improving and the cap goes up as expected, their contracts will be fantastic value in a couple of years, particularly Simmonds since he's signed till 2019.

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Voracek is signed until 2016, symmonds is 2019.

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Voracek is signed until 2016, symmonds is 2019.
You know what you are right sir. I was looking at Hartnell's contract details when I posted that.

Regardless, still a great contract.

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People criticise Holmgren for the contracts he hands out but for me, that's one of his biggest strengths. The deals offered to Carter, Richards, Giroux (in particular) and Voracek have been sensational.

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People criticise Holmgren for the contracts he hands out but for me, that's one of his biggest strengths. The deals offered to Carter, Richards, Giroux (in particular) and Voracek have been sensational.
It's generally the contracts to "filler" players that are the problem.

Or when he misunderstands the CBA, I guess.

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I wish cobourn would just step up to a top pairing guy haha. Then we dont have to trade any fwd for D. As far as Jake I really like his passion for the game. He really wants to do the best he can and seems like a big team guy.

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