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04-17-2013, 05:55 PM
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Now you got me thinking, how could I possibly get through the morning without my xlarge coffee? Look at how Tim Horton has affected millions of lives, millions of times a day, he just has to be the greatest Leaf ever.
Certainly worth consideration

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04-17-2013, 06:04 PM
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Sundin for me.

Too many clutch goals that Ive witnessed over the years to not say sundin.

Can you imagine if Sundin got to play with todays wingers?

Lupul-Sundin-Kessel would be sweet to watch.

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04-17-2013, 06:16 PM
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Certainly worth consideration
18 consecutive seasons as a Leaf, considered the strongest man in the game.

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04-17-2013, 06:31 PM
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Sundin for me.

Too many clutch goals that Ive witnessed over the years to not say sundin.

Can you imagine if Sundin got to play with todays wingers?

Lupul-Sundin-Kessel would be sweet to watch.
I'd rather see JVR instead of Lupul. Just imagine, JVR in front of the net harassing the goalie. Then comes in Mats Sundin essentially toppling the opposition in their zone. Kessel would love such an environment.

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04-17-2013, 06:46 PM
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True but 6 teams meant it was tougher to play... Only the best get to play... So the top players were truely the top players.
So are you saying that 1/30(1/16) odds give you a better chance of winning than 1/6(1/4) odds?

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Agreed the more teams the more watered down the talent becomes.

Back in the original 6 days it was all-star teams going up against each other with teams full of HHOFers on squads.
LMAO


No different than today. Make 5 teams out of just Canadians and see how low down the depth chart you get. All-star teams.


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and facing one of the best 6 goalies in the world every night
It wass not the BEst in the World. That is so false. IT was the best from Canada, and a few from the States.

There were plenty of better players playing over seas. 1972 proved that.

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04-17-2013, 07:50 PM
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So are you saying that 1/30(1/16) odds give you a better chance of winning than 1/6(1/4) odds?


LMAO


No different than today. Make 5 teams out of just Canadians and see how low down the depth chart you get. All-star teams.


It wass not the BEst in the World. That is so false. IT was the best from Canada, and a few from the States.

There were plenty of better players playing over seas. 1972 proved that.
I don't see the humour. I think we have a perennial contender if not Stanley Cup champion just from the GTA boys alone

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04-17-2013, 07:56 PM
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This player may have been from a long time ago, but Charlie Conacher was probably top 3 in the NHL during the 1930's...
He won the Stanley Cup only once (1932), but also won 2 Scoring titles (1933 and 1934) as well as leading the NHL in scoring 5 times in 7 years (1930-31/1931-32/1933-34/1934-35/1935-36)
He broke his wrist the next year and never recovered from the injury properly...

In those years he led the league in scoring he scored 31 goals, 34 goals, 32 goals, 36 goals and 23 goals...all in 48 game seasons...how many of 2013 stars will score that many (since it is a 48 game season this year)

To contrast this Howie Morenz (the Montreal great) won 2 scoring championships and led the league in goal scoring once (1927-28)... Howie Morenz will always be listed amonst the greatest of Habs...

Sounds like Conacher did rather well for basically 7 years...
Good summary. I think Conacher was the most dominant Leaf in his own setting in the entire history of the franchise. At 6'1 or 6'2 and 200 plus pounds in an era when many players were 5'7 or 8, he was probably one of the most physically dominant players also.

My own opinion is that greatest Leaf is between Conacher and Apps. Apps had an amazing career also and lost some of what could have been his prime seasons to World War II.

Certainly where those two rated among the players of their time considerably exceeds where even the greatest more modern Leafs rated among the players of their time.


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04-17-2013, 08:01 PM
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I say you would be picking from this list.
Different eras but I have them ranked like this based on seeing them first hand. The older guys could very well be at the top of the list.

Keon
Sittler
Gilmour
Sundin
Salming
Bower
Broda
Apps
Conacher
Teeder
Hap Day

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04-17-2013, 09:49 PM
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Hap Day or Babe Dye

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I'll amend my original top 3 Leafs of all time to this list:
(Only going to use players that I have seen play)

1-Sittler
2-Gilmour
3-Sundin
4-Clark
5-Salming
6-Keon
6-Cujo
7-Mcdonald
8-Turnbull
9-Roberts
10-Kaberle

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04-17-2013, 11:04 PM
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So are you saying that 1/30(1/16) odds give you a better chance of winning than 1/6(1/4) odds?


LMAO


No different than today. Make 5 teams out of just Canadians and see how low down the depth chart you get. All-star teams.


It wass not the BEst in the World. That is so false. IT was the best from Canada, and a few from the States.

There were plenty of better players playing over seas. 1972 proved that.
didn't realize that in 1972 there were only 6 teams in the NHL.

okay so 99% of the worlds best players

putz

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04-18-2013, 12:30 AM
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Wendel Clark. I refuse to accept that anybody but Wendel is the best Leaf of any era. He can kick every one of their *****, and will do it even now if it would help the team in some way. He's that great a Leaf.

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04-18-2013, 01:19 AM
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I'll amend my original top 3 Leafs of all time to this list:
(Only going to use players that I have seen play)

1-Sittler
2-Gilmour
3-Sundin
4-Clark
5-Salming
6-Keon
6-Cujo
7-Mcdonald
8-Turnbull
9-Roberts
10-Kaberle
I'm not picking on you. This is just an example of what lot of posters do, talking about the best players "of all time" instead of what they mean, and should say, "the best players I myself have seen."

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04-18-2013, 01:54 AM
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I'm in high school now, but when I was a little kid my dad had a small book store, and he would constantly bring me home the latest hockey history books. I probably spent a good chunk of my childhood reading and rereading Maple Leaf Legends by Mike Leonetti. Then my dad bought me Leafs TV in '03 I think, and I actually got to see these guys I had been reading about for months and years on the classic games. I thought it was better than PS One. No matter how bad the game film was, or if the TV was muted, I could always pick out Keon, even as a 7 or 8 year old. To go back and see him play in person...can't even imagine what that would be like.

When I was really young I remember kids would be infatuated with Sundin, Mogilny, Cujo and Nolan while I would be talking to them about Keon, Teeder, the Chief and even vintage guys like Lorne Chabot with his famous baseball cap, and the Metz brothers etc. They all thought I was crazy.

Even a high schooler who was brought up at the turn of the millennium can recognize Keon is the greatest Leaf of all time. Remember, us youth don't all have blinders on. Just 99% of us.


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The numbers would indicate that Sundin was the Best Leaf IMO


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It wass not the BEst in the World. That is so false. IT was the best from Canada, and a few from the States.

There were plenty of better players playing over seas. 1972 proved that.
1972 PROVED Canada had the best players. Yes there were other great players overseas but the Canadians won IIRC

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LMAO

No different than today. Make 5 teams out of just Canadians and see how low down the depth chart you get. All-star teams.
For your information.

The 1967 Cup winning Leafs team had future Hockey Hall of Famers Davey Keon, Frank Mahovlich, Red Kelly, George Armstrong, Bob Pulford, Tim Horton, Allan Stanley, Marcel Pronovost, Johnny Bower, Terry Sawchuk on their team. That is 10 players on a 20 man team or 50% an ALL-Star team.

Their competition at the time had similar makeups of many HHOFers playing together.

How many current Maple Leafs are destined for the HHOF or can you think of any current NHL team able to say 1/2 their current team is heading to the Hockey Hall of fame?

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04-18-2013, 10:27 AM
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The numbers would indicate that Sundin was the Best Leaf IMO




1972 PROVED Canada had the best players. Yes there were other great players overseas but the Canadians won IIRC
how is that? Sundin played an 82 game schedule, in a different era, with different equipment. And yet you can compare his game to that of someone from the 60's?

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1972 PROVED Canada had the best players. Yes there were other great players overseas but the Canadians won IIRC
Paul Henderson can confirm your beliefs that Canada won the 1972 Summit Series, and proved to be the best in the World at the time.

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Sittler, Keon, Apps, Gilmour, Sundin, Salming, Bower...too many players playing in different periods to really make a definitive statement as to who was the best. During my time as a Leaf's fan Gilmour was the most dominant Leaf I have ever seen. Even if he only played a short time with Toronto "Killer" left such an impression with me that I would have to go with him. Sundin wins it for longevity but he never approached the levels of dominance that Gilmour acheived while playing with the Leafs.

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so many to choose from...

sundin, keon, berg, clark, Gilmour...just to name a few

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Apps represented the Toronto Maple Leafs organization perfectly, and best exemplifies what a captain should be, a leader on, and off the ice. He's the greatest Leaf of all time, IMO

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so many to choose from...

sundin, keon, berg, clark, Gilmour...just to name a few
one of these things just isn't like the other
one of these things just doesn't belong
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one of these things just isn't like the other
one of these things just doesn't belong
....

You have to admit..even though Gilmour didn't play in Toronto for too long..he still made a major impact on the leafs.

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For your information.

The 1967 Cup winning Leafs team had future Hockey Hall of Famers Davey Keon, Frank Mahovlich, Red Kelly, George Armstrong, Bob Pulford, Tim Horton, Allan Stanley, Marcel Pronovost, Johnny Bower, Terry Sawchuk on their team. That is 10 players on a 20 man team or 50% an ALL-Star team.

Their competition at the time had similar makeups of many HHOFers playing together.

How many current Maple Leafs are destined for the HHOF or can you think of any current NHL team able to say 1/2 their current team is heading to the Hockey Hall of fame?
Just to add to the HHOFers list, figured we should look up Montreal's.

Jean Beliveau
Yvan Cournoyer
Dick Duff
Jacques Laperriere
Henri Richard
Gump Worsley

Which is no list to sniff at either. Also had Rogie Vachon as their other goaltender and John Ferguson Sr of note as well.

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Apps represented the Toronto Maple Leafs organization perfectly, and best exemplifies what a captain should be, a leader on, and off the ice. He's the greatest Leaf of all time, IMO
Times two. Although Keon was my favourite, Apps was the real Canadian deal. He was a superstar athlete with leadership qualities that transcended sports. He sacrificed his prime playing years for his country and did not consider it something to complain about, but rather, something to be proud of.

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