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04-15-2013, 09:28 AM
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Sign Ryan as a FA in 2015. Don't waste assets to bring him in a year or two early.
I agree with this 100%

Giving up valuable assets and bringing him in now is just stupid. We won't be a contender next year and giving up depth in potential impact players (Couturier) to bring in Ryan isn't what will put us over the top.

Wait until 2015. By that time this team should be in a better position to start looking like centenders, assuming our young players (Schenn, Couturier) continue on the right development path.

If Ryan reaches free agency in 2015, there's a real good chance he signs here. It's pretty obvious. And if he re-ups with ANA, then we move on

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I agree with this 100%

Giving up valuable assets and bringing him in now is just stupid. We won't be a contender next year and giving up depth in potential impact players (Couturier) to bring in Ryan isn't what will put us over the top.

Wait until 2015. By that time this team should be in a better position to start looking like centenders, assuming our young players (Schenn, Couturier) continue on the right development path.

If Ryan reaches free agency in 2015, there's a real good chance he signs here. It's pretty obvious. And if he re-ups with ANA, then we move on
Yea that got even higher in terms of odds with they resigned both their two tip guns to cap hits that don't really work now.

I'd be pretty confident hell want to be here

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Sign Ryan as a FA in 2015. Don't waste assets to bring him in a year or two early.
I'll drive him from Anaheim to Philly if he signs

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So there was no chance we were getting him anyway but Howard just reupped with the Wings.
http://www.thescore.com/home/article...-to-31-8m-deal
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The Detroit Red Wings have agreed to terms with goalie Jimmy Howard on a $31.8 million, six-year contract.

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I hope we keep Huskins and dump the other 2( Foster Gervais) and draft a stud somehow or trade for one

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as this team has played beastly lately

i am not sure what will happen. does lavy keep his job. he is fighting like mad for it. if not eakins is the way to go. i would love to keep huskins,hall and rosehill, foster is for sure a goner. mason, man oh man, we got ourselves a young goalie. briere, thanx for what you brought to the team, cya. lauridson what a pleasant call up. that guy is a beast. he hits like a truck and 2 fights in one game would be a days work for that guy. when we get couts going, and laughton makes the team, we are just gonna need to draft better-more depth on d. we are seriously in a lot stronger position than we thought we were. i bet yah uncle ed is doing pretty good today.

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Updated Base Roster and Cap

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Third Line LW ($0.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Fourth Line C ($0.000m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Chris Pronger ($4.936m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,412,381; BONUSES: $2,800,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $687,619


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^ I really wish for Hartnell to be traded before next season. Wishful thinking I am sure. Also, would like to see Hall as the 4th line C. Danny will more than likely be gone before next season. Bryz also has a chance of not being here next season, but that is not as likely as Briere I think.

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04-17-2013, 08:04 PM
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It is really tricky to see how they fill out the roster without buying out Briere (I can't imagine them buying out Bryzgalov at this point--not when you look at the cost and the roster implications--Mason as the full-time starter? I need to see more.) I guess that they could dump Meszsaros, but even then, it would be tight.

I'd think the safe projection is:

1. Buy out Briere
2. Re-sign Hall (~$750-900k), Gustafssson ($900-$975k), and either Gagne ($2.5-3.0 million) or Fedotenko ($1.75-2.0 million)--unless they have some plan to either move Laughton to wing, move Couturier to wing, or trade one of them.

Depending on what they opt to do, they'd have anywhere from $2 to $4 million in cap space.

That might be too much for Homer to handle.

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04-17-2013, 10:17 PM
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Buyout Briere
Trade Couturier + 2nd to PHX for Gormley + 1st
Resign Hall, Gagne, Gustafsson
Trade Meszaros for anything.

Draft:
our pick: Nurse
PHX pick: Mantha

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Mantha - Schenn - Simmonds
Gagne - Laughton - Read
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot

Timonen - Schenn
Gormley - Grossmann
Gustafsson - Coburn

Bryzgalov
Mason

2014-2015 defense

Gormley - Schenn
Nurse - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann

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04-18-2013, 03:29 AM
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either Gagne ($2.5-3.0 million) or Fedotenko ($1.75-2.0 million)
Good point. Only one of them will most likely stay.

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04-18-2013, 08:53 AM
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Buyout Briere
Trade Couturier + 2nd to PHX for Gormley + 1st
Resign Hall, Gagne, Gustafsson
Trade Meszaros for anything.

Draft:
our pick: Nurse
PHX pick: Mantha
I don't think the value of that trade is very close at all:

Couturier > Gormley
2nd <<< 1st

PHX is only a few points ahead of us at this point. That pick is going to be between 10-12 most likely.

I'm also not sure that Nurse is a safe projection anymore--we've won too many games; unless we get very lucky down the stretch or in the lottery, we'll likely be picking after he goes off the board.

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04-18-2013, 08:58 AM
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I don't think the value of that trade is very close at all:

Couturier > Gormley
2nd <<< 1st

PHX is only a few points ahead of us at this point. That pick is going to be between 10-12 most likely.

I'm also not sure that Nurse is a safe projection anymore--we've won too many games; unless we get very lucky down the stretch or in the lottery, we'll likely be picking after he goes off the board.
It's not any more set it stone that well be picking after he's off the board than the notion that well be picking him around 6th. Anything can happen between now and then. We could lose out the rest of our games and end up with a pick around 3 or 4. We don't know.

Have hope!!!

Also, what about moving read for Rundblad, and then flipping Coburn for a 1st + a winger prospect at the draft? I personally am high on Ty Rattie, who is probably ready to compete for an nhl spot IMO. Don't know that St. Louis would be interested in giving up that much for another defenseman though.

But maybe then you could flip couturier + both of those 1sts for the #1 overall pick and take jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Gagne-Schenn-Simmonds
McGinn-Laughton-Rattie
Rinaldo-Hall-Talbot

Timonen-Schenn
Jones-Grossmann
Rundblad-Huskins/Gustafsson/Meszaros

Man I am just a fantasy world dynamo.


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It's not any more set it stone that well be picking after he's off the board than the notion that well be picking him around 6th. Anything can happen between now and then. We could lose out the rest of our games and end up with a pick around 3 or 4. We don't know.

Have hope!!!

Also, what about moving read for Rundblad, and then flipping Coburn for a 1st + a winger prospect at the draft? I personally am high on Ty Rattie, who is probably ready to compete for an nhl spot IMO. Don't know that St. Louis would be interested in giving up that much for another defenseman though.
Might have been able to get that before the Blues acquired Bouwmeester. I don't think so now, though.

(I wouldn't have endorsed the trade at the time--I think we need to keep Coburn unless a proven top-4 defenseman is coming back--but that's another matter).

It is true that Nurse could drop, but I just don't see him dropping to 9 or 10. Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Monahan, Lindholm...who else is going to go off the board before him?

EDIT: On Read/Rundblad--I'd rather just move our 1st (assuming Nurse is off the board) for a young PMD.

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I really don't think this team is very far off from being a contender again. Buy Out Briere. Resign Gagne, Hall, and Gus. Trade Meszaros for whatever you can get, I don't trust him to be in the lineup.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.500m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.800m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.250m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Chris Pronger ($4.936m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,212,381; BONUSES: $3,012,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,100,119

That would leave us 5 million in cap space without LTIR Pronger and Bourdon. With those two on LTIR that would leave us about 10.5 million. Leave Timonen paired with Schenn, Grossmann with Gus, and then make a move to get someone to play with coburn. That could be a draft pick or a FA like Streit or Hainsey. We could also try to package Read and a pick to get a younger puck moving defenseman. Replace Read with McGinn.

I reall think we only have that one dman position that "has" to be filled this offseason. I like the forward group and I think we continue with both Bryz and Mason next season

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04-18-2013, 09:18 AM
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I really don't think this team is very far off from being a contender again. Buy Out Briere. Resign Gagne, Hall, and Gus. Trade Meszaros for whatever you can get, I don't trust him to be in the lineup.

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Simon Gagne ($2.500m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.800m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.250m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Chris Pronger ($4.936m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.613m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Andrej Meszaros ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,212,381; BONUSES: $3,012,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,100,119

That would leave us 5 million in cap space without LTIR Pronger and Bourdon. With those two on LTIR that would leave us about 10.5 million. Leave Timonen paired with Schenn, Grossmann with Gus, and then make a move to get someone to play with coburn. That could be a draft pick or a FA like Streit or Hainsey. We could also try to package Read and a pick to get a younger puck moving defenseman. Replace Read with McGinn.

I reall think we only have that one dman position that "has" to be filled this offseason. I like the forward group and I think we continue with both Bryz and Mason next season
i like this idea as well.

my primary goals, if i were the flyers would be:
1, Draft a defenseman or a winger with a good shot.
2, Acquire another young PMD defenseman (Rundblad?)
3, Acquire either a young winger prospect with a good shot or another young defenseman depending on who we draft/ or another 1st to draft one of the two.

i think we need 2 young defenseman for the future and 1 potential top 6 winger. i would be thrilled if they turned out to be Rundblad/Gormley, Nurse and Mantha. Rundblad or Gormley could step into our d-core next season, and i honestly believe than Mantha could contribute at the NHL level as early as next year as well. Nurse would probably be ready either the following season or the season after, which is fine because this team is still a few seasons away from being a legitimate contender IMO.


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If Florida gets the #1 overall I would not be against trading 2013 1st, 2014 1st, and read for it. I know most people on this board probably wouldn't do it and I don't know if Florida would, but I would

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Gagne-Laughton-Mcginn/Talbot
McGinn/Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo
Rosehill

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-Jones
Grossmann-Gus

or we could then sign a free agent and then trade coburn before the season or at the 2014 draft for a first.

Streit/Hainsey-Schenn
Timonen-Jones
Grossmann-Coburn
Gus

or if traded before next season
Streit/Hainsey-Schenn
Timonen-Jones
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1- There are more minor tweaks suggested than an "overhaul" in this thread.

2- Posters grossly overrate unproven young D prospects.

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1- There are more minor tweaks suggested than an "overhaul" in this thread.

2- Posters grossly overrate unproven young D prospects.
Despite the thread title, I think most of us agree that the team doesn't need an overhaul in the Carter-Richards-Bryzgalov sense.

On the second point, I think I agree, but what do you mean? Do you mean that they overrate the trade value of a young D prospect, the need for one, or how much effect we can expect them to have next year?

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This team does not need to be blown up every time we don't make the finals or conference finals. The one thing this team needs is a d prospect that can play soon and then be ready for that role in about three years. It is going to cost way more to trade for a #1 that is already playing in the NHL

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Despite the thread title, I think most of us agree that the team doesn't need an overhaul in the Carter-Richards-Bryzgalov sense.

On the second point, I think I agree, but what do you mean? Do you mean that they overrate the trade value of a young D prospect, the need for one, or how much effect we can expect them to have next year?
Regardless of trade value, fans assume some young d prospect will develop into anything more than a Coburn. That is highly unlikely and the trade price assumed is high as well.

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Regardless of trade value, fans assume some young d prospect will develop into anything more than a Coburn. That is highly unlikely and the trade price assumed is high as well.
How do you think we should solve our need for a defenseman. I'm not trying to be an ass, just interested in your opinion.

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How do you think we should solve our need for a defenseman. I'm not trying to be an ass, just interested in your opinion.
Other than getting lucky in the draft or overpaying for an older No. 1 as a UFA (Streit) or trading for a struggling young one (Myers) you are not going to get one. If Gromley or Rundblad were such sure things there teams would not trade them. Further, Rundblad would be playing already. The suggestions on here are fantasy scenarios.

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Other than getting lucky in the draft or overpaying for an older No. 1 as a UFA (Streit) or trading for a struggling young one (Myers) you are not going to get one. If Gromley or Rundblad were such sure things there teams would not trade them. Further, Rundblad would be playing already. The suggestions on here are fantasy scenarios.
I don't think anyone is saying Gormley or Rundblad are going to be #1 D--or even better than Coburn (at his best). They are saying that those guys can be 3/4 types--perhaps with a ceiling of a #2--but bring a skillset (PMD) that the team lacks.

In other words, you don't trade for those guys to replace Pronger. You trade for them to replace Carle.

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I don't think anyone is saying Gormley or Rundblad are going to be #1 D--or even better than Coburn (at his best). They are saying that those guys can be 3/4 types--perhaps with a ceiling of a #2--but bring a skillset (PMD) that the team lacks.

In other words, you don't trade for those guys to replace Pronger. You trade for them to replace Carle.
I don't think this team would have been anything but marginally better with Carle. I assumed these suggestions are to solve blue line issues beyond Timonen's retirement. Ryan Whitney could replace Carle if that is all anyone wants. (and no I do not like Whitney).

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