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04-18-2013, 01:12 PM
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Malkin would easily replace Kopi..

Voynov would be a huge loss to LA in this trade.

They have prospects coming up but Voynov is the real deal for LA.

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Malkin, when healthy, is a more dynamic player than Kopitar and will provide more offense, but the dip isn't significant if you consider durability and all-around play. As others said, Voynov++ is not worth the point upgrade from Kopitar to Malkin.

Geno Malkin is the most talented offensive player in the NHL right now IMO (even more talent that Crosby) but he has weaknesses. Anze Kopitar is one of the best all-around forwards in the game, has size and strength like Malkin and also has top-end scoring hands. He is also good on draws and winning battles.

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Kings are built to play a stiffling, big body, defense first style. Kopitar plays a great two way game and gets near a point a game while gaining Selke consideration. He is not a health risk and is signed long term on the cheap at 6.8 mil per. He is a top 10 player in the game who just helped lead his team to the Stanely Cup.

Voynov is a puck moving power play threat. He is undersized but positionally sound. He is top 10 in Defensive scoring and is only in his second season, 1st full season. He grew up sacrificing more money from Russia to stay in the AHL until Johnson was moved which tells me he has character.

Malkin is no doubt a top 3 player in the world. He can get 50 goals and 100 points on the Penguins but how would he do in L.A? L.A's defensive system does stiffle there skilled guys production and I am sure we would see drops in even Malkins production. I love Malkin and would love him on the Kings but we also have high priced players in Doughty, Carter, Richards and Quick who make 5 to 7 mil a piece. We will be at the cap roof for a while especially considering we have to re-sign Voynov this year and somehow get our Captian Brown a well deserved raise the following year. The extra 2 million Malkin makes over Kopitar would hurt us re-signing our own core or outsourcing for that elusive LW we have been looking for for a long while.

Pittsburg and L.A are both strong up the middle on do not need to trade to fill what is already positions of strength. On top of that L.A can not afford the extra cap space in Malkin's hit, nor can they afford to lose there #2 defenseman. If L.A played a more open style we would see more points out of Kopitar but in the end hockey is not just about scoring goals but preventing them and Kopitar is one of the very best at that.

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So explain to me what Malkin brings then to the Kings or Pens for that matter if he doesn't put up the big points besides his 9+ million in cap space after next year? Because he is "capable" of scoring 50 goals he is better than Kopitar and a Voynov package....lol I guess you must of loved Chechoo too...lol
Wait...was Evgeni Malkin just compared to Jonathan Cheechoo?

I just...can't...what

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Wait...was Evgeni Malkin just compared to Jonathan Cheechoo?

I just...can't...what
there is no way that guy has watched a single second of Malkin's play

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04-18-2013, 01:49 PM
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Malkin, when healthy, is a more dynamic player than Kopitar and will provide more offense, but the dip isn't significant if you consider durability and all-around play. As others said, Voynov++ is not worth the point upgrade from Kopitar to Malkin.

Geno Malkin is the most talented offensive player in the NHL right now IMO (even more talent that Crosby) but he has weaknesses. Anze Kopitar is one of the best all-around forwards in the game, has size and strength like Malkin and also has top-end scoring hands. He is also good on draws and winning battles.

Bingo!
Hence why Kopi surpasses him in point totals the last 4 years. Now imagine LA without Kopitar, Voynov and half a season without Malkin and no 1st and 2nd round pick in the next 2 years!!! No thx, I'll stick to the current game plan to develop and keep our healthy stars! 3 years ago, i'll might do it, not now after we got Carter and won the cup.

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Wait...was Evgeni Malkin just compared to Jonathan Cheechoo?

I just...can't...what
I know right. Wow.

The Pens are in a polarizing situation recently and could be for a long time:

1. If Crosby and Malkin are healthy = Cup favorites
2. If Crosby and/or Malkin are injured = In big trouble

The Pens have close to $19,000,000 tied up in two players who can't seem to stay healthy for any duration. Crosby has ZERO 82GP seasons under his belt and Malkin hasn't played close to 82 since 2008-09.

In the salary cap era, how much longer are the Pens going to be able to roll the dice with two elite players who are oft-injured and using up so much salary?

If the Pens trade Malkin it will be for this reason only and has nothing to do with his talent.... he has more raw skill than anyone in the world IMO.

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Why Pittsburgh may want to to do this trade:
- Malkin isn't as productive with Crosby in the line-up
- Pens need an upgrade on defense
- they'd be better in the faceoff circle
-What about the 2009 Cup Finals? One of the last times both superstars were completely healthy and they were both pushing each other to play at their bests - which they both did, and Malkin overshadowed Sid when it mattered most.

- It is no longer April 2012 . The Penguins have been in the top 10 of goals allowed all season, while facing injuries to Kris Letang (playing at Norris level) and Paul Martin (who was having arguably a career season until he broke his hand). We have an influx of blue chip puck moving D-prospects in Simon Despres, Derrick Pouliot, and Olli Maata. Yes, Voynov would be an upgrade to our defense, as he would to any team in the league, but at the expense of our future plans. What kind of salary will Voynov command in his next contract? We have bigger priorities this summer; Iginla, Dupuis, not to mention negotiations with Malkin, Letang which will begin July 1st. I think Shero will be banking on saving some $$$ via cheap ELC contracts from Despres and Bortuzzo. Voynov is not the answer for the Penguins.

-Pens currently have an excess of faceoff specialists. The addition of Jussi Jokinen comes at a time where Joe Vitale is rounding out the 4th line with his excellence in the circle. With Sid locked into the 1C position, do the Pens really have a need for another center who can take draws?

I understand and appreciate your non-biased approach in your post, thanks for that, but a few things there don't make sense from the Pens perspective. And again, I'm not saying this trade makes ANY sense from the Kings perspective either.

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You mean this year's regular season where they're currently sitting at number 10 in goals against/game and were as high as 3rd or 4th before both of their top 2 D-men spent considerable time injured?

Voynov is a good player for sure, but don't just make stuff up to try to prove your point.
He doesn't even understand the term injury prone, and that accidents don't account to it.

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So explain to me what Malkin brings then to the Kings or Pens for that matter if he doesn't put up the big points besides his 9+ million in cap space after next year? Because he is "capable" of scoring 50 goals he is better than Kopitar and a Voynov package....lol I guess you must of loved Chechoo too...lol
Let's see here one MVP season two scoring title and a conn smythe... Oh yeah what has kopitar done? People act like boy nob is a PKU subban, a letAng a hedman, a karlsson, just o name a few...

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How close is Stewart, Berglund and Shattenkirk for Malkin?

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To LA:
Malkin (with extension)

To Pittsburgh:
Kopitar
Voynov

Keys for Pittsburgh:
- limits risk of simultaneous Crosby/Malkin injuries, Kopitar hardly gets hurt
- strengthens faceoffs
- improves second line center 2-way play
- improves defense

Keys for LA:
- improves PP
- adds a superstar sniper
THAT "flawless logic" right there had me LOLing... HARD!

Very happy with Malkin being a penguin for the next 9 years + thanks...

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Kopitar is one of the best players in hockey. I like Malkin, but I'm not sure I'd trade Kopitar straight up for Malkin if I'm LA.

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Kings are built to play a stiffling, big body, defense first style. Kopitar plays a great two way game and gets near a point a game while gaining Selke consideration. He is not a health risk and is signed long term on the cheap at 6.8 mil per. He is a top 10 player in the game who just helped lead his team to the Stanely Cup.

Voynov is a puck moving power play threat. He is undersized but positionally sound. He is top 10 in Defensive scoring and is only in his second season, 1st full season. He grew up sacrificing more money from Russia to stay in the AHL until Johnson was moved which tells me he has character.

Malkin is no doubt a top 3 player in the world. He can get 50 goals and 100 points on the Penguins but how would he do in L.A? L.A's defensive system does stiffle there skilled guys production and I am sure we would see drops in even Malkins production. I love Malkin and would love him on the Kings but we also have high priced players in Doughty, Carter, Richards and Quick who make 5 to 7 mil a piece. We will be at the cap roof for a while especially considering we have to re-sign Voynov this year and somehow get our Captian Brown a well deserved raise the following year. The extra 2 million Malkin makes over Kopitar would hurt us re-signing our own core or outsourcing for that elusive LW we have been looking for for a long while.

Pittsburg and L.A are both strong up the middle on do not need to trade to fill what is already positions of strength. On top of that L.A can not afford the extra cap space in Malkin's hit, nor can they afford to lose there #2 defenseman. If L.A played a more open style we would see more points out of Kopitar but in the end hockey is not just about scoring goals but preventing them and Kopitar is one of the very best at that.

No from L.A
Malkin would probably score 110 on the Kings if he was healthy. Kopitar wouldn't be a hundred point player under any system.

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How close is Stewart, Berglund and Shattenkirk for Malkin?
I actually proposed Pietrangelo, Berglund and Stewart for Malkin and Jokinen in another thread. Overpayment by the Blues but the type of blockbuster the Pens would need to deal Geno.

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Kopitar is one of the best players in hockey.
I completely agree.

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I like Malkin, but I'm not sure I'd trade Kopitar straight up for Malkin if I'm LA.
Ahhh, I don't know about that. Malkin is top-3 elite talent and Kopitar is top-10/15 player. Straight up, the Kings would have to take that offer and roll the dice with Geno staying healthy.

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Kopitar is one of the best players in hockey. I like Malkin, but I'm not sure I'd trade Kopitar straight up for Malkin if I'm LA.
Are we watching the same NHL?

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Before I flipped out on you, I realized I'd better check rosters first

It's not about defense being that bad, it's about Voynov being that good. Looking at rosters, he's a top 4 D man on ANY team in the league, debatably top pairing on about half (depending on how you arrange your d-pairs), certainly top pairing on 7-8. And he gets better every game.

Only reason I'm arguing this is that people are acting like he's some sort of throw in.
He wouldn't be top-4 on the Blues, unless he played his offhand, and even then, probably not at the moment.

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He wouldn't be top-4 on the Blues, unless he played his offhand, and even then, probably not at the moment.
Oh please, Voynov has been almost as good as Doughty. The only Blues dmen that is as good is Pietrangelo.

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This is an overpayment by LA.

It's like the Leafs offering:

Kessel + Gardiner + McKegg + 3rd (turns to 5th if Malkin doesn't re-sign) for Malkin.




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I dont get what going on here............

The problem is not Kopitar vs Malkin

The problem is the addition of Voynov and whatever 1st rounder.
I just don't care wich one is traded and wich one available.

This trade is as loop sided as it comes.
We compare a west division player vs an east division player
plus ignoring they are completely different player.
Kopitar is well rounded and his two way style decides games.
Malkin is one of the East coast media attractions pampered and protected by the league.

So if we make the deal we give away a player who scores 120 points at the east coast easily and receive someone who puts up around 60 points here in the west without any clue of two way game.On top we give up one of the best young top pairing defense man and a 1st.

And people wonder why the Kings decline here so easily.
It's just a nobrainer.

I advise you guys keep your franchise media clowns
and i am very happy with keep on winning hockey cups.
If someone asks me they can cancel the whole Las Vegas crap
and just invite East coast players to all VIP and All Star events.
That makes the Newspapers happy over there to write about
most valuable players, most seen players, fastest players, slowest players, best hot dog sales man, funniest fans, best looking coach
and whatever crap they have trophys for.
While that the west coast can focus on hockey and play for the real man stuff.

There is a reason why the west coast always gets away with the cup.... well we count the little accident when Boston faced an AHL team.

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Oh please, Voynov has been almost as good as Doughty. The only Blues dmen that is as good is Pietrangelo.
Salary aside, I think 30 out of 30 GMs would take Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk or Bouwmeester over Voynov if they had the choice.

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He wouldn't be top-4 on the Blues, unless he played his offhand, and even then, probably not at the moment.
Are you talking about the Salt Lake City Blues Badminton team ???
It clearly can't be the NHL team

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Salary aside, I think 30 out of 30 GMs would take Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk or Bouwmeester over Voynov if they had the choice.
actually just 29 out of 30.
And there is a reason why these 29 don't have a cup ring

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Voynov's good, but the Penguins have no need to give up assets (let alone Malkin) for talented young defensemen. That's their surplus.

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