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Phil Kessel vs. Jeff Carter

View Poll Results: Phil Kessel vs. Jeff Carter
Phil Kessel 135 69.59%
Jeff Carter 59 30.41%
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04-18-2013, 04:43 PM
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I'll take Kessel, but anybody who says his defensive game is equal to Carter's clearly does not watch both of them play. I've always been quite impressed with Carter's D, very solid along the boards especially. When he was with Philly there were a few occassions where he just completely neutralized crosby along the boards. Almost couldn't believe what I was seeing.

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04-18-2013, 04:53 PM
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Jeff Carter is fast and really good all around with a great shot. He doesn't need to have assists to be better.

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04-19-2013, 12:37 PM
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Obviously TML fans will give a homer vote to Kessel, but I'm going with Carter here. 24 goals is not easy to come by.
Only on HFBoards could such ignorant, uninformed comments be made. Yeah, Leafs fans clearly aren't voting for Kessel because he's on an 86 point pace versus Carter's 53 point pace, they're voting for him because they're homers and nothing else.

Give your head a shake.

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04-19-2013, 12:45 PM
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carter is a good all around player but he isn't close to the offensive threat kessel is. voted kessel

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Great poll. kessel has a big edge in playmaking/passing, a slight edge in speed, agility, and dynamic. Carter has size and knows how to use his reach. kessel has a better wrister/snap, carter has a better slapshot. kessel is a better puck carrier, carter is a better cycler. they are both about equal in dangling and two way play.

Really you could take either and not be wrong, but for my money ill take Kessel for his better speed and explosiveness

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04-19-2013, 02:15 PM
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Seems it is almost illegal on these boards for a Leaf player to have a very slight advantage.

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04-19-2013, 04:11 PM
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04-19-2013, 06:46 PM
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People who say "AINEC" are delusional.

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04-19-2013, 07:28 PM
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People who say "AINEC" are delusional.
Kessel has more than 1.5x the number of points. It's not close.

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04-20-2013, 03:31 AM
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People who say "AINEC" are delusional.
A 50-60ish pt player is not close to a ppg+ top10 scorer in the league.

That's just fact.

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04-20-2013, 03:50 AM
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Carter is a more valuable commodity in today's NHL. Yes, Kessel has the speed and playmaking ability in his favor, but I want a guy who can shutdown the other 2C's in the league, as well as being able to score 40 goals. Kessel is a good scorer as well, is a better passes, but is softer, disappears when it gets physical most of the time, and is prone to turnovers. If I was a GM of a team that was weak up the middle, I'd grab Carter, if I was say Pittsburgh who has insane C depth, I'd take Kessel fairly easily. Both can score 35-40 goals, both are streaky, one is a better playmaker, thus puts up more points, one is better defensively, more physical, and can play in all situations.

For my Rangers, I'd take Carter without thinking about it. We need 2 way play more than ever, and too many guys on the team are emotionless, Carter can bring some of that emotion back. No knock on Kessel here Toronto fans, he's a great scorer, he just plays a less valuable position, and is a little too don't for my liking. Plus we have a RW who is as good as him already in Nash. Good poll.

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A 50-60ish pt player is not close to a ppg+ top10 scorer in the league.

That's just fact.
Loving the sample size there buddy, take a look at Kessel's career high, and then see the 45 next to Carter's name and realize that he is just as good a goal scorer as Kessel. The only reason Kessel has more points, is like I said previously, Kessel is a better playmaking winger. That's the only other aspect he brings, goals and assists. Carter plays a more valuable position, is much bigger, and tougher. Depends on how you want to construct your team. Obviously the Stanley Cup champs did something right when they traded for him.

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04-20-2013, 03:55 AM
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Carter is a winger.

and no great shakes defensively, and is definitely not an emotional leader.

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Loving the sample size there buddy, take a look at Kessel's career high, and then see the 45 next to Carter's name and realize that he is just as good a goal scorer as Kessel. The only reason Kessel has more points, is like I said previously, Kessel is a better playmaking winger. That's the only other aspect he brings, goals and assists. Carter plays a more valuable position, is much bigger, and tougher. Depends on how you want to construct your team. Obviously the Stanley Cup champs did something right when they traded for him.
Sample size?

Kessel finished 6th in scoring last year, is 7th this year, and is one of the top 5 scoring players in all of hockey the past two seasons, at ages 24 and 25.

What problem do you have with that sample size?

and, again, carter is a winger, not a centre.

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So explain to me how a 50-60 point winger can score more goals than your PPG top 10 scorer In the league lol. Has Kessel ever scored 40 goals? 45? Carter has. Carter is also able to play center, is better defensively, and is more physical. Like I said, depends on how one chooses to construct his team. Kessel is too soft for my liking, but is a hell of a scorer.

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Loving the sample size there buddy, take a look at Kessel's career high, and then see the 45 next to Carter's name and realize that he is just as good a goal scorer as Kessel. The only reason Kessel has more points, is like I said previously, Kessel is a better playmaking winger. That's the only other aspect he brings, goals and assists. Carter plays a more valuable position, is much bigger, and tougher. Depends on how you want to construct your team. Obviously the Stanley Cup champs did something right when they traded for him.
Not even remotely a "sample size". Never knew Carter was the conn smyth winner for your cup run? Last I checked he was not even top 3 in points out of your entire team during the cup run.

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Sample size?

Kessel finished 6th in scoring last year, is 7th this year, and is one of the top 5 scoring players in all of hockey the past two seasons, at ages 24 and 25.

What problem do you have with that sample size?

and, again, carter is a winger, not a centre.
So finishing 6th and 7th all of a sudden makes him jump from a top 10 scorer to a top 5 scorer? Can you explain how that works please? I'd like to try it out with some of my players on my favorite team.

Also, Gaborik scored 42 goals last year, once again more than Kessel, and scored 86 points 2 years ago, higher than Kessel's career high in goals and points. Now, he is not in the top 10 because of a slump, so I will assume you think Gaborik is a scrub because he's not a top scorer in 48 games. You're gonna call him a 15 goal scorer?

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So explain to me how a 50-60 point winger can score more goals than your PPG top 10 scorer In the league lol.
Do you really need that explained to you?

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Not even remotely a "sample size". Never knew Carter was the conn smyth winner for your cup run? Last I checked he was not even top 3 in points out of your entire team during the cup run.
My team? I'm a Rangers fan bro, hated Carter when he was in Philly, I would personally take him on my team over Kessel. I also brought up the fact that Carter has a 45 goal season to his name, but Kessel doesn't yet. So obviously they can both score goals, Carter is not just a 50/60 point player. Kessel racks up his points in assists mostly, Carter the opposite.

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So finishing 6th and 7th all of a sudden makes him jump from a top 10 scorer to a top 5 scorer? Can you explain how that works please? a
Why do you need this explained? It's just facts.

last two seasons:

1. Stamkos 150pts
2. Malkin 138pts
3. Giroux 136pts
4. Kessel 128pts
5. St.Louis 127pts
6. Tavares 126pts
7. H.Sedin 123pts
8. Staal 116pts
9. Thornton 116pts
10. Kopitar 115pts

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Also top 10 in goals the past two seasons:

1. Stamkos 87
2. Ovechkin 66
3. Malkin 58
4. Neal 58
5. Tavares 57
6. Gaborik 53
7. Kessel 53
8. Moulson 51
9. Ryder 51
10. Toews 50

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I think you have shown true colours already by calling Carter a winger while he's both a winger and center. Not once, but twice. Seriously ? I think you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. That's not because Kessel isnt a very good player, just because you dont know who Carter is. Its not a bad thing to think that Kessel is a better player.

On top of that, you called Carter "not great shakes defensively" ? hmm. I would quit posting for a while...


Earlier I already read that Kessel has a better wrister and Carter a better slapshot. I think Carter has the best wrister in the league but that is debatable but Kessel's is certainly not better. Carter barely ever uses his slapshot. It actually looks very awkward when he does.

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Gotta say that Kessel is the much bigger individual threat. Carter is somewhat overrated defensively because he is a bigger body and used to be really dangerous on the PK for Philly - mostly because of the unit/partners. He makes bad decisions, gives up on plays and takes too many dumb penalties. Not saying he is bad - not at all - but compared to the rep he has he is somewhat disappointing in his own zone. Kessel does enough puck possession wise to offset that he is somewhat of a floater.

Carter has a sick wrister, but I take Kessel every day. And I am one of those who always nag Maple Leaf fans about overrating him. He is superior to Carter.

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Also top ten in ppg past two seasons:

1. Crosby 1.60
2. Malkin 1.34
3. Stamkos 1.19
4. Giroux 1.12
5. Lupul 1.05
6. Spezza 1.05
7. St.Louis 1.05
8. Backstrom 1.02
9. Kessel 1.02
10. Kovalchuk 1.01

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