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04-18-2013, 09:08 PM
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1. Fire lavy
2. Amnesty briere and bryz
3.??????
4. Profit

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1. Fire lavy
2. Amnesty briere and bryz
3.??????
4. Profit
What is win the draft lottery and select seth jones?

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04-19-2013, 12:25 AM
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Buy ouy Briere.
Resign Hall - 4th line C
Call up Laughton 3rd line C
Resign Gags - if this doesn't work try to sign one of - Miettinen, M. Raymond, LaRose.
If we can trade Mez for picks/prospects we do it.
Allow Mason to push Bryz for another year to see if he can regain anything he used to have or what we hoped for. If not buy Bryz out 2014 offseason.
Draft BPA (hopefully D and then insert into lineup)
I know we cant't buyout Pronger, but we can operate 5% over cap, essentially his hit....


FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Simon Gagne ($2.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.700m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($1.000m)
Kent Huskins ($0.750m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)

OTHER
Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
Buyout: Danny Briere ($0.000m)
Buyout: Chris Pronger (-$1.052m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,437,381; BONUSES: $3,012,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $7,875,119

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04-19-2013, 02:12 AM
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NEW COACH!

AMNESTY: Briere, Bryzgalov
TRADE: Meszaros
LTIR: Pronger
RESIGN: Gustafsson, Manning (AHL), Lauridsen (AHL), Wellwood (AHL).
GRADUATE FROM AHL/OHL to NHL: Laughton, Gustafsson.
SIGNINGS:
Nikita Zaitsev, D [from KHL]
Jaromir Jagr, F [UFA]
Boyd Gordon, F [UFA]
Ray Emery, G [UFA]
DRAFT: Zadorov, D

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
B. Schenn - Couturier - Voracek
Read - Laughton - Simmonds
Rinaldo - Gordon - Talbot
Rosehill, etc.

Timonen - L. Schenn
Coburn - Zaitsev
Grossmann - Gustafsson
Gervais, etc.

1a Mason - 1b Emery

PP: Hartnell - Giroux - Simmonds
Timonen - Voracek

B. Schenn - Couturier - Jagr
Zaitsev - Gustafsson/Read

PK: Gordon, Talbot, Couturier, Read, Laughton, Giroux, etc.
Grossmann, Coburn, Timonen, L. Schenn, etc.
Try and turn Mason back into a starter. Ray Emery is a perfectly capable backup if not more than that. Better than Bryzgalov as far as I'm concerned.*

Use Jagr in a more 5v5 role. Turn Giroux into an offensive weapon. No more face-off workhorse, give him manageable minutes so he doesn't think he has to do everything. Hopefully everybody stays healthy... although we have some decent call-ups in McGinn and co.

Pray Zaitsev comes here. Give him more sheltered offensive minutes. Perhaps pair him with Timonen instead if Schenn is ready to do with Coburn. Coburn-Schenn could be a mean pairing! Gustafsson-Grossmann looks like a really good 3rd pairing IMO...

*exaggeration...

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How is Laughton's record in the faceoff department?

If they can, they should avoid going into next season with a 2nd and 3rd line center who both are awfull at taking draws...it really hurt them this year with G forced to be o the ice in inappropriate situations.

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How is Laughton's record in the faceoff department?

If they can, they should avoid going into next season with a 2nd and 3rd line center who both are awfull at taking draws...it really hurt them this year with G forced to be o the ice in inappropriate situations.
I believe that is one of his strengths. I think they see him as the 4th line C next year which is why they wont resign hall

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I believe that is one of his strengths. I think they see him as the 4th line C next year which is why they wont resign hall
I'm OK with that if it guarantees they won't trade Couturier.

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04-19-2013, 09:16 AM
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How is Laughton's record in the faceoff department?

If they can, they should avoid going into next season with a 2nd and 3rd line center who both are awfull at taking draws...it really hurt them this year with G forced to be o the ice in inappropriate situations.
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I believe that is one of his strengths. I think they see him as the 4th line C next year which is why they wont resign hall

Can't say I know how he did in the OHL, but talking to and watching his AHL games he's been dominate. One of the main reasons why I don't know if I move Laughton to wing.

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Schenn's strength was supposed to be on the face-offs as well.....

just sayin'

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i know people don't want to trade Couturier, but i really think this would be a good direction to go in.

1st course of action: Get a new coach

Buyout:
Briere
Bryzgalov

Trades:
Sean Couturier ----> PHX for Brandon Gormley, 1st '13
Andrej Meszaros --> SJ for 3rd '13

Draft:
6th overall: Darnell Nurse | D | Sault Ste. | OHL
11th overall: Anthony Mantha | LW | Val-d'Or | QMJHL: Sign to 3 year ELC 3.9m

Resign:
Erik Gustafsson: 4 years 3.9m
Adam Hall: 2 years 1.65m

Free Agency:
Nathan Horton: 3 Years, 14.5m
Nikita Zaitsev: 3 year ELC 2.95m
Ray Emery: 5 years 17.5m

FORWARDS
Nathan Horton ($4.850m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Anthony Mantha ($1.300m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.825m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Brandon Gormley ($1.315m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nikita Zaitsev ($0.985m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.975m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($3.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,739,167; BONUSES: $3,037,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,598,333


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04-19-2013, 10:07 AM
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i know people don't want to trade Couturier, but i really think this would be a good direction to go in.

1st course of action: Get a new coach
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I dunno--I think that's a more dramatic change than we need, or than we are likely to see.

For one thing, I don't think Couturier has that kind of value. He could probably return either Gormley or the 11th overall, perhaps with something small, but not both. IF you're PHX, why not just add a pick or prospect to your 1st to jump up a few spots and grab Monahan?

You're also giving out quite a few long-term UFA deals--Emery, Horton, and Raymond. I've seen a few people target Horton--and I guess that makes sense, though I suspect he'll cost more than that--but I don't really see a need for Raymond, and I'm not convinced Emery is any kind of long-term solution.

I like Gustafsson--and I think we might be able to get him under $1 million for 1-2 years--but not 4. I don't think Zaitsev will come in and get the spot over him at this point, but I'm fine letting them fight it out.

EDIT: I see you took Raymond off.

Does Mantha really project as a strong two-way player at the NHL level? If you're trading a major asset to draft him, I'm not sure why you'd sign Horton long-term. He seems like a top-six or bust type, no?

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04-19-2013, 10:12 AM
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I dunno--I think that's a more dramatic change than we need, or than we are likely to see.

For one thing, I don't think Couturier has that kind of value. He could probably return either Gormley or the 11th overall, perhaps with something small, but not both. IF you're PHX, why not just add a pick or prospect to your 1st to jump up a few spots and grab Monahan?

You're also giving out quite a few long-term UFA deals--Emery, Horton, and Raymond. I've seen a few people target Horton--and I guess that makes sense, though I suspect he'll cost more than that--but I don't really see a need for Raymond, and I'm not convinced Emery is any kind of long-term solution.

I like Gustafsson--and I think we might be able to get him under $1 million for 1-2 years--but not 4. I don't think Zaitsev will come in and get the spot over him at this point, but I'm fine letting them fight it out.

EDIT: I see you took Raymond off.

Does Mantha really project as a strong two-way player at the NHL level? If you're trading a major asset to draft him, I'm not sure why you'd sign Horton long-term. He seems like a top-six or bust type, no?
i like mantha because he is, IMO what this team has lacked sorely the last while. a winger with a nasty shot who can set up for one-timers and also create space for himself. he could be deadly with giroux on the PP in a few years, but i think he has the frame and skill set to step into an NHL role next season. He's also arguably the best skater in the draft, at least amongst forwards. he doesn't project to be a 2-way player, and the knock on him has been that he tends to float sometimes, but he's definitely not a liability in that area either. I think he can become a Bobby Ryan/Corey Perry type player if developed with a strong playmaking center.

he's big, he's tough, he can fly, he has a nasty shot and good hands and he can hit and will drop the gloves as well.

i took raymond off precisely for the reason you stated. he's not really needed, and i agree.


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Can't say I know how he did in the OHL, but talking to and watching his AHL games he's been dominate. One of the main reasons why I don't know if I move Laughton to wing.
Now a days with as often as linesmen toss out players from the faceoff circle, having two guys on one line who can win faceoffs is important. That being said, I really believe B. Schenn's future is on the wing as opposed to Laughton's and it looks like the Flyers will missout having to pick one of the top tier centerman in this draft as BPA.

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i know people don't want to trade Couturier, but i really think this would be a good direction to go in.

1st course of action: Get a new coach

Buyout:
Briere
Bryzgalov

Trades:
Sean Couturier ----> PHX for Brandon Gormley, 1st '13
Andrej Meszaros --> SJ for 3rd '13

Draft:
6th overall: Darnell Nurse | D | Sault Ste. | OHL
11th overall: Anthony Mantha | LW | Val-d'Or | QMJHL: Sign to 3 year ELC 3.9m

Resign:
Erik Gustafsson: 4 years 3.9m
Adam Hall: 2 years 1.65m

Free Agency:
Nathan Horton: 3 Years, 14.5m
Nikita Zaitsev: 3 year ELC 2.95m
Ray Emery: 5 years 17.5m

FORWARDS
Nathan Horton ($4.850m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Anthony Mantha ($1.300m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.825m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Brandon Gormley ($1.315m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nikita Zaitsev ($0.985m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.975m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($3.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,739,167; BONUSES: $3,037,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,598,333
I like the idea of signing Nathan Horton but he plays right wing. I guess he can play his off wing but it doesn't really make sense to sign a player for around 5 mil to play out of position. Now if the Flyers traded Simmonds for a defenseman, it would make a lot more sense to sign Horton, or Clarkson, or Iginla to replace him.

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I like the idea of signing Nathan Horton but he plays right wing. I guess he can play his off wing but it doesn't really make sense to sign a player for around 5 mil to play out of position. Now if the Flyers traded Simmonds for a defenseman, it would make a lot more sense to sign Horton, or Clarkson, or Iginla to replace him.
i don't think horton would have an issue at LW if his primary role would be to drive the net and set up at the side for feeds from giroux or jake.

also, i don't like the idea of trading simmonds. i think once hartnell is gone, he's going to be invaluable to this team. we're a young team, it doesn't make sense to trade a young player only to replace him with an older vet like the ones you suggest.

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Trading Simmonds and overpaying a UFA like Clarkson would be an awful move.

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i don't think horton would have an issue at LW if his primary role would be to drive the net and set up at the side for feeds from giroux or jake.

also, i don't like the idea of trading simmonds. i think once hartnell is gone, he's going to be invaluable to this team. we're a young team, it doesn't make sense to trade a young player only to replace him with an older vet like the ones you suggest.
Well it all depends on what you can get for Simmonds. Simmonds might get you Shattenkirk or Myers close to straight up or the Flyers adding very little. The Flyers would probably have to add something significant to Couturier to get the same players. The older ufas would act as a stopgap while the Flyers draft and develop another Right Wing. I like Simmonds a lot but if its close to a one for one trade to get a good young defenseman as opposed to a massive package around Couturier, I would much rather trade Simmonds, especially in a year where his position is the deepest in free agency.

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Trading Simmonds and overpaying a UFA like Clarkson would be an awful move.
Basically.

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I really don't see the Flyers making significant waves in the UFA market this offesason. At least I hope not. Horton is a fine player, but I'm not sure he makes much sense for us at the cost it will take to get him--which I'm guessing will be closer to $6 million than $5. I don't see the team letting Bryzgalov go this offseason--maybe in June 2014, but not this year--so Emery isn't likely. (If we do buy out Bryzgalov, I'm nearly certain that Briere is back.)

For better or worse, I think 75 percent of our line-up is already set:
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Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
_____-Schenn-Simmonds
_____-Couturier-Read
Talbot-_____-Rinaldo
Rosehill

Timonen-Schenn
Coburn-_____
Grossmann-Meszaros
Gervais

Bryzgalov / Mason
Laughton will fill at least one of the forward spots--either on the 3rd line or at 4C. Between existing guys (Gagne, Hall), prospect options (McGinn, etc.), and, potentially, our 1st round selection, I think it is likely that the forward slots are filled internally.

I could see us going after a PMD, but I also think that Gustafsson deserves a shot.

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1st course of action: Get a new coach okay

Buyouts okay:
Briere
Bryzgalov

Trades:
Sean Couturier ----> PHX for Brandon Gormley, 1st '13 okay
Andrej Meszaros --> SJ for 3rd '13 unlikely

Draft if possible, I like-- although maybe Risto or Zad instead of Mantha:
6th overall: Darnell Nurse | D | Sault Ste. | OHL
11th overall: Anthony Mantha | LW | Val-d'Or | QMJHL: Sign to 3 year ELC 3.9m

Resign:
Erik Gustafsson: 4 years 3.9m Total, not per year, right?
Adam Hall: 2 years 1.65m

Free Agency:
Nathan Horton: 3 Years, 14.5m
Nikita Zaitsev: 3 year ELC 2.95m
Ray Emery: 5 years 17.5m hmm

FORWARDS
Nathan Horton ($4.850m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Anthony Mantha ($1.300m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m) / Adam Hall ($0.825m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
Jay Rosehill ($0.675m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.000m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Brandon Gormley ($1.315m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Nikita Zaitsev ($0.985m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.975m) /

GOALTENDERS
Ray Emery ($3.500m)
Steve Mason ($1.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,739,167; BONUSES: $3,037,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,598,333
Not the worst in the world. What I like about it most is that the changes are dramatic, but not unrealistic. I could see, if the organization is fed up with Bryz and they feel they can get a starter netminder in here--- speeding up the rebuild by buying out Briere and Bryz both.

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i like mantha because he is, IMO what this team has lacked sorely the last while. a winger with a nasty shot who can set up for one-timers and also create space for himself. he could be deadly with giroux on the PP in a few years, but i think he has the frame and skill set to step into an NHL role next season. He's also arguably the best skater in the draft, at least amongst forwards. he doesn't project to be a 2-way player, and the knock on him has been that he tends to float sometimes, but he's definitely not a liability in that area either. I think he can become a Bobby Ryan/Corey Perry type player if developed with a strong playmaking center.
Do you really think Couturier can return Gormley and the 11th overall? I think one or the other + 3rd or something is far more reasonable.

At the moment, we're looking more likely to draft 8th than 6th--and there's a very good chance Nurse is gone. I'm warming toward the notion of drafting Nichushkin over Monahan/Zadorov/Ristolainen, etc. While there's no immediate impact, it provides (hopefully) a strong top-6 player who brings a lot of the same qualities you've described two years from now.

If we trade Couturier, it has to be for a somewhat proven commodity or a can't-miss prospect. FLA fans indicated some interest in swapping Kulikov for Couturier (if they select Jones)--that's a much better match than Gormley + 3rd or so, IMO.

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Do you really think Couturier can return Gormley and the 11th overall? I think one or the other + 3rd or something is far more reasonable.

At the moment, we're looking more likely to draft 8th than 6th--and there's a very good chance Nurse is gone. I'm warming toward the notion of drafting Nichushkin over Monahan/Zadorov/Ristolainen, etc. While there's no immediate impact, it provides (hopefully) a strong top-6 player who brings a lot of the same qualities you've described two years from now.

If we trade Couturier, it has to be for a somewhat proven commodity or a can't-miss prospect. FLA fans indicated some interest in swapping Kulikov for Couturier (if they select Jones)--that's a much better match than Gormley + 3rd or so, IMO.
Couturier + 2nd may get it done.

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This is Homer we are talking about. I don't think he has EVER sat tight during free agency. This is also the Flyers where they would rather build through FA than the draft. After a poor season, he will also be forced to make a change.

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Couturier + 2nd may get it done.
I'm just not seeing it, I guess. I think Couturier holds more value that Gormley, to be sure, but the gap isn't that between the 11th overall and the 38th overall.

The trade just seems unlikely to me--there's a lot of risk in prospect swaps, and when you start including high draft picks as well, I just don't see it as likely.



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This is Homer we are talking about. I don't think he has EVER sat tight during free agency. This is also the Flyers where they would rather build through FA than the draft. After a poor season, he will also be forced to make a change.
He hasn't had the same cap restrictions in the past. Unless the team is going to buy out both Bryzgalov and Briere--which I think we all think is quite unlikely--I don't see the Flyers playing the same role this year in free agency that they have in the recent past.

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