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04-19-2013, 04:01 AM
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Bolland & Frolik peace out

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If they are replaced by Hayes and Morin, we'd be in for a 2011 type year. I think they probably trade Bolland and Frolik, replaceable in the system, and sign both guys
Bolland & Frolik are easier to replace than Stalberg or Bickell.

I agree keep the 3rd line together for next season, but I replace Bickell with Morin unless Bickell & Stalberg both are signed for 5m together. 3m to Stally & 2m to Bickell... probably not going to happen

Is there any reason to think that Brandon Pirri couldn't put up
David Krejci type numbers?

Krejci last year numbers in the AHL 69GP 31G 43A = 74 points
Pirri in Rockford this year 74GP 21G 49A = 70 points

Resign Handzus.


Next year
Saad--Toews--Hossa
Sharp -- Pirri --Kane
Morin-- Handzus-- Stalberg
Shaw-- Kruger --Carcillo
Bollig, Danault

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04-19-2013, 04:38 AM
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Bolland & Frolik are easier to replace than Stalberg or Bickell.

I agree keep the 3rd line together for next season, but I replace Bickell with Morin unless Bickell & Stalberg both are signed for 5m together. 3m to Stally & 2m to Bickell... probably not going to happen

Is there any reason to think that Brandon Pirri couldn't put up
David Krejci type numbers?

Krejci last year numbers in the AHL 69GP 31G 43A = 74 points
Pirri in Rockford this year 74GP 21G 49A = 70 points

Resign Handzus.


Next year
Saad--Toews--Hossa
Sharp -- Pirri --Kane
Morin-- Handzus-- Stalberg
Shaw-- Kruger --Carcillo
Bollig, Danault
Would likely not put Pirri and Kane together due to defense considerations, even though Pirri is not as defensively challenged as some would like to believe. The easy switch would be Kane with Toews, and Hossa with Pirri.

I actulally hope Pirri gets called up for the playoffs once the Hogs season ends, much like Smith and Shaw the past two years. Stick him at 2C, slide Bolland down, and keep Handzus as 4C. Put Kruger and Shaw at wings.

Third and fourth lines, as well as extras, will be determined by offseason moves and training camp. From Rockford, Morin, Hayes, Smith, Bollig et al will all get looks.

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04-19-2013, 09:55 AM
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Bolland & Frolik are easier to replace than Stalberg or Bickell.

I agree keep the 3rd line together for next season, but I replace Bickell with Morin unless Bickell & Stalberg both are signed for 5m together. 3m to Stally & 2m to Bickell... probably not going to happen

Is there any reason to think that Brandon Pirri couldn't put up
David Krejci type numbers?

Krejci last year numbers in the AHL 69GP 31G 43A = 74 points
Pirri in Rockford this year 74GP 21G 49A = 70 points

Resign Handzus.


Next year
Saad--Toews--Hossa
Sharp -- Pirri --Kane
Morin-- Handzus-- Stalberg
Shaw-- Kruger --Carcillo
Bollig, Danault
He's not gonna put up Krejci numbers his first year in the league......

Bickell is more replaceable than Bolland. Yeah he gets hurt a lot, yeah he's not a 2C, but he has been a damn good 3C his entire career. Bickell is a 3rd line winger. He is very replaceable.

Saad - Toews - Kane
Sharp - Pirri - Hossa
Morin - Bolland - Shaw
Frolik - Kruger - Carcillo/Bollig/Handzus

Maybe you can re-sign Bolland for cheaper than his current deal. If not, see ya later. You got Kruger/McNeill/Danault who could all potentially step into his role in 2014-15.

Fact is, everyone looks at the coming year to see if we can re-sign Bickell & Stalberg. The coming year isn't the problem. We will be fine because of Jayes/Pirri/Morin. The problem is the next few years after that. Folks shouldn't act like the cap is automatically goign to jump back up above $70m in a couple seasons because it may not. And when Kane/Toews/Saad all need considerable raises at the exact same time, that's when you're going to be completely ****ed if you didn't think about it and signed Stalberg/Bickell to 3-4 year deals. Ooops, I've got Stalberg & Bickell but Toews & Kane are gone.

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04-19-2013, 10:39 AM
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you still want to keep a guy making 2+ million on the 4th line?

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Fro will be gone after next year. I don't see anyone trading for him. Bolland, we could get more for in a trade. As the poster above said. ....we have to be carefully who and what we sign withy e core coming up in a few years. No more Oduya signings.

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Frolik has value and can get traded easily

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Pirri not playing for this team right now is criminal. It bothers me more than the lack of a move for a 2C.

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you still want to keep a guy making 2+ million on the 4th line?
For one season? Sure. We dont have many who play so well on the pk and he gives a lot of depth to the 4th line.

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Pirri not playing for this team right now is criminal. It bothers me more than the lack of a move for a 2C.
What is a rookie at 2C going to do to help this team right now?

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What is a rookie at 2C going to do to help this team right now?
Maybe as much as a rookie at left wing. The games are meaningless at this point, let him play out the string and see if this is a guy we want helping us in the playoffs.

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I find it weird that the Hawks have been by far the best team this season yet none of their players are seen as favorites for any awards.

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I find it weird that the Hawks have been by far the best team this season yet none of their players are seen as favorites for any awards.
I think the Penguins might dispute the Hawks being by far the best team this year.

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Trying to be as objective as possible here but the Hawks during their streak were better than the Pens during theirs.

Coming from a Hawks fan though...take it for what its worth.

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I think the Penguins might dispute the Hawks being by far the best team this year.
from start to finish the Hawks have been overall better...and its really not that close imo...but the Penguins have had to play a lot without Sid so that is an issue right there. even though the Hawks had been without Hossa and Sharp for extended stretches, losing Crosby is a massive blow that the majority of teams could not recover from or dare succeed like the Penguins have.

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from start to finish the Hawks have been overall better...and its really not that close imo...but the Penguins have had to play a lot without Sid so that is an issue right there. even though the Hawks had been without Hossa and Sharp for extended stretches, losing Crosby is a massive blow that the majority of teams could not recover from or dare succeed like the Penguins have.
Yeah I don't disagree that the Hawks have a slight edge. But that's all it is - slight. They lead the Pens by 4 points. The Hawks were the best team the first half of the season - and the Pens have been the best team the 2nd half of the season. I wouldn't know who to pick if they met in the SCF. I hope it happens.

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I find it weird that the Hawks have been by far the best team this season yet none of their players are seen as favorites for any awards.
Isn't Toews the favorite for the Selke? Haven't really kept up with the general award feelings around the league too much, granted. It should be his.

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Isn't Toews the favorite for the Selke? Haven't really kept up with the general award feelings around the league too much, granted. It should be his.
Patrice Bergeron is likely fav

I would say that Saad is up there for Calder ,, It will depend on what voters like from rookie

Leading a terrible team in scoring vs Kid playing on 1st place team playing in all situations

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I thought they were doing awards for each conference??

So we'll have a Western AND Eastern Selke/Hart/Art Ross/etc...winner

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I thought they were doing awards for each conference??

So we'll have a Western AND Eastern Selke/Hart/Art Ross/etc...winner
No, that was just the coaches poll, probably because there wasn't a lot of cross conference scouting.

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They cannpt afford $3 million to Stalberg whose speed proposition will entice a lot og teams try to sign him as UFA...gone due to cap...Bickell at $2 million per willbe kept especially if he signs a 4 yr hometown discount value deal..it means 2/3 of the third line likely is intact and a stable mon-worry for many ears.will replace Stalberg with cheaper cost guy from current team or system or stop-gap nhl vet oldie willing to take less to win a cup...cannot spend over $4.5 million totsl for line 3. ..gotta keep Leddy from leaving via offer sheet...bye bye Stalberg...

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Love Bickell's play this year but he can be replaced quite easily. Stalberg you have to find the space to keep. He just cannot be replaced.

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I thought they were doing awards for each conference??

So we'll have a Western AND Eastern Selke/Hart/Art Ross/etc...winner
They should, it makes no sense when no one plays each other. There are some horrible defensive teams in the East that the top scorers in the west never get to play. And better, bigger teams in the West that guys like Stamkos and Tavares never have to play. Stupid

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I find it weird that the Hawks have been by far the best team this season yet none of their players are seen as favorites for any awards.
East coast bias/that's where all the scoring's at.

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Love Bickell's play this year but he can be replaced quite easily. Stalberg you have to find the space to keep. He just cannot be replaced.
I agree on Bickell. He's picked up his game this year and earned a raise, but nothing really unique about him.

Stalberg brings a very unique set of skills... and while technically no, they cannot be replaced, I wonder how much value is actually fair to place on what he brings. Keep in mind I've liked Stalberg since we've picked him up, when lots of folks were saying he was trash... had all the tools and would just never put it together. He's proved a lot of folks wrong, and even despite that, my gut says $3m is too much. Maybe we could do it for a year... but tbh while his exact skillet cannot be replaced there are some youngins coming up that I think could very well fill his spot in the lineup equally well, if not in the same manner.

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Why do people think Bickell is going to take another large term discount deal. It's going to be his lone relatively big money deal. Unless his agent is a Dan Carcillo level troglodyte he's not taking a discount.

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