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04-19-2013, 11:48 AM
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The little guy has played well. Good for him. Its a sad state of affairs for the Rangers they had to pluck Zuccarello back from the KHL and he is receiving top 9 minutes. The issue with Zuccarello is this. Why is it when someone criticizes Zuccarello,they are accused of hating him? Posters here always accusing anyone who says anything bad about Zuccarello as being a "hater". Players get bashed all the time. Only when someone says something about Mats are they accused of "hating" him. Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.


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The little guy has played well. Good for him. Its a sad state of affairs for the Rangers they had to pluck Zuccarello back from the KHL and he is receiving top 9 minutes. The issue with Zuccarello is this. Why is it when someone criticizes Zuccarello,they are accused of hating him? Posters here always accusing anyone who says anything bad about Zuccarello as being a "hater". Players get bashed all the time. Only when someone says something about Mats are they accused of "hating" him. Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.
Well said and 100% truth.If you dont gush over him and ignore his shortcomings,you're a hater.If you marvel over his offensive abilities,you're a true great Rangers fan.


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The little guy has played well. Good for him. Its a sad state of affairs for the Rangers they had to pluck Zuccarello back from the KHL and he is receiving top 9 minutes. The issue with Zuccarello is this. Why is it when someone criticizes Zuccarello,they are accused of hating him? Posters here always accusing anyone who says anything bad about Zuccarello as being a "hater". Players get bashed all the time. Only when someone says something about Mats are they accused of "hating" him. Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.
Some good points. The one thing I have is people seem like they go out of their way to attack him at times. Like the great move by Huburledau last night. Not many players were stopping that move, and then to make it out like he's a bad defensive player because of that? He played really well last night but people will still bring that up to reasons why they don't want him on the team.


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Still doesnt change the fact that he can become a major liability defensively come playoff time.
So can any player... we have many players worse than Zucc defensively. Even our defensemen can be liabilities if they're off their games. Talk about lighting someone on fire for playing pretty good, lol.

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So can any player... we have many players worse than Zucc defensively. Even our defensemen can be liabilities if they're off their games. Talk about lighting someone on fire for playing pretty good, lol.
Please name them

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Pyatt, Richards, Kreider.

Asham is debateable. Brassard is not a defensive whiz.

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Pyatt, Richards, Kreider.

Asham is debateable. Brassard is not a defensive whiz.
Ill give you Kreider and Asham,but i dont agree with the others

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Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.
Torts should ****ing suck it up and do his job. His job is to deal with the media. No **** Zuccs is going to receive a TON of Norwegian attention. Either answer the question, or pull your usual **** "I'm not going to discuss individual players like that." and move on. And if you have to say that after every game, THEN SAY IT AFTER EVERY GAME.

Torts is a ****** when dealing with the media.

Notice how during the game against Philadelphia the other night, there was no "coach face time" with Tortorella? They had one with Lavi, but not one with Torts.

Do your job.

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04-19-2013, 12:10 PM
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The little guy has played well. Good for him. Its a sad state of affairs for the Rangers they had to pluck Zuccarello back from the KHL and he is receiving top 9 minutes. The issue with Zuccarello is this. Why is it when someone criticizes Zuccarello,they are accused of hating him? Posters here always accusing anyone who says anything bad about Zuccarello as being a "hater". Players get bashed all the time. Only when someone says something about Mats are they accused of "hating" him. Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.
Don't you think a coach not wanting a player for reasons other than his hockey ability is a little bit of a problem? Tortorella doesn't want Zucc because of the media, and yet somehow this makes the media the problem?

A player could potentially improve the team, but god forbid coach John have to get an extra question or two in the post game interviews. That would be unacceptable.


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Don't you think a coach not wanting a player for reasons other than his hockey ability is a little bit of a problem? Tortorella doesn't want Zucc because of the media, and yet somehow this makes the media the problem?

A player could potentially improve the team, but god forbid coach John have to get an extra question or two in the post game interviews. That would be unacceptable.

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Some people are making an informed judgment based on what they've seen during his NHL tenure thus far on both sides of the puck.

Others, like yourself, are basing your opinions on hope that he will become a more productive player.
I've been lurking on these forums for a few years now and I mostly enjoy reading the fans feedback on the games, I'm a Norwegian but I've been a rangers fan for a good 10 years now, but please don't hold that against me "RangerBoy", I wouldn't want to intrude on your own personal nhl team.

I just have a couple questions since I'm curious. you cite the defensive capabilities as a liability.

But afaik so far the only time he's been a "liability" is when he got outmanouvered yesterday by a play that even most people on here applauded as a really nice goal. And its happened to better defenders than Zucc.. So whats the problem ? It happens, it doesn't make anyone a liability if they get outplayed once. Hell, it was fantastic hockey. Even I could appreciate that one even if it meant a goal against. It is slightly puzzling that you attest that one incident as a testament to defensive weakness when there has been plenty of incidents like that in the league over the years.

And honestly haven't our own defensemen clowned it up bigtime this season ? I've seen Zucc snap the puck and make all kinds of good defensive contributions, not that they are spectcaular but they do deserve merit. I didnt catch the previous game but didnt zucc block the puck before the goal ? So cant really blame that one on him ? (Sorry if this isnt the case, this is what I was told after the game).

Yes of course he has shortcomings, he is short and tiny and he will get outmuscled from time to time, but there are plenty of big men on the Rangers that should have no problems compensating. Hell in his first match back he lead the numbers of Hits for gods sake. Weakling.

Since you like to argue so much about his lack of point production, shouldn't the benefit also be given on the other end of the rink, by analyzis of exactly how goals are given away and what cause it ? So far Zucc "caused" one by being the victim of a badass move that would have left most scratching their balls, and you can't possibly argue that anyone else would have gotten that one, give Huberdeau the credit he deserves and aknowledge that these things can actually happen. These players aren't bad just because they play for a bad team. Especially Huberdeau.

As for the opposite side of the pitch. Zucc is the best passer on the team, there is no actual question about this and the consensus of the people I see post here is that this is infact, so. He forechecks, he takes **** from no one and he gives his all when he is on the ice, can you honestly say that about the rest of the team ? Plus the obvious things like the way he skates and improved vision from his last stint here.

He could be better at positioning without the puck, but its not too bad.

I saw in another post in the Clowe thread that you gave Clowe all the credit for Zucc's 3-1 goal. But hasnt Zucc fed Richards a few of these open netters so far ? If you give Clowe the credit for Zuccs goal you should be giving Zucc the "goal credit" for all his passes that his teammates have failed to capitalize on. It was a amazing job by Clowe, and it was a great shot, simple as.

I honestly think that Zucc has some work to do on his defensive play, but it is not in the range of being a liability, nowhere near. Pretty sure Del Zotto has caused more goals against than Zucc has so far.

Giving criticism based on lack of production is a bit unfair when you are playing with a guy that only a few days ago sat in the locker room hiding his head in his hands because he is so heartbroken over his play. Richards is a star that is underperforming, and the players around him "suffer" because of it because their stats are hurting. This argument is so unfair, to anyone. In a ideal world Zucc would have 10 assists by now if the finishers were having a great day. Unfortunately that is not the case and let the flaming begin.

It is fair that you have concerns about the defensive play, but to label it a liability, and flame **** like the tripping penalty, citing it as lazy work is surely a argument that you can possibly believe. No one is on that ice just to "put a stick out, cba moving lol". How about you throw in some actual incidents and arguments to support your whole lability action since so far I've seen nothing that stands out compared to the rest of the team.

It is also slightly amusing to me that this particular argument flamed up after he played his best game for the rangers :p How does things like that even happen ?

Tl;dr: Stop looking at numbers and try to see the broader picture and don't dislike me because I'm Norwegian, I liked the rangers before it was cool.

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Don't you think a coach not wanting a player for reasons other than his hockey ability is a little bit of a problem? Tortorella doesn't want Zucc because of the media, and yet somehow this makes the media the problem?

A player could potentially improve the team, but god forbid coach John have to get an extra question or two in the post game interviews. That would be unacceptable.
This !!!!!!!!!!

I am biased here btw.. I love the kid. But I love him because I feel he brings so much to my team, and I can not wait until he gets some more experience and at least 82 games under his belt.
The little one is still a rookie based on games played, and people think he has peaked?
Smaller players tend to peak at a later age than those of a more ideal size.

Hope we resign him, and look forward to watching a player that makes me love the team and the game even more than I would otherwise.

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Oh god, that would not end well at all..i'd probably just have to turn my TV off if they dropped the gloves.

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Torts didn't want Zuccarello on the team because of the media from Norway. There was this one female reporter who annoyed John. All she cared about was Zuccarello. Why isn't Mats playing more? Why isn't Mats dressed? It didn't matter what the team did when Mats was here. Its all about Mats. Its the same thing with the Zuccarello guys from Norway.
Having been a Rangers fan for a decade, I resent this implication so much. The entire "reporters annoying torts" thing was also a speculation thrown forward by a blog writer who was discussion assumptions with himself. Pretty sure that Torts could care less about what some reporter asks about a player, he doesn't exactly stand there for 30 minutes giving lengthy speeches does he

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Don't you think a coach not wanting a player for reasons other than his hockey ability is a little bit of a problem? Tortorella doesn't want Zucc because of the media, and yet somehow this makes the media the problem?

A player could potentially improve the team, but god forbid coach John have to get an extra question or two in the post game interviews. That would be unacceptable.
Where is this quote coming from?

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Oh god, that would not end well at all..i'd probably just have to turn my TV off if they dropped the gloves.
Zuccs loves staring down the bigger guys. Dude doesn't take **** from anybody. I remember in one of his first games up he skated straight up to Victor Hedman, former teammate, and just eyeballed the **** out him as to be like "what's up? I'm here too, and I'm not going anywhere"

Giving guys like me who use their size as an excuse as to why they're not professional players a real ass kicking

Him and Johnny Gaudreau can go **** themselves

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Where is this quote coming from?
Not that it matters because the whole idea Torts wouldn't want player because he has his own media following is absurd. If it were true that certainly would be a huge issue and covered by more sources.

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The deficiencies that Zuccarello has as a player make me admire his performance since he came back from Russia even more. He's made himself into a better player. I'd say his will has a lot more to do with it than his skill. He's a skilled player, so that's saying something.

The thing I love about this guy is his spirit, his guts. One of the more diminutive players in the game and he keeps driving himself to the dirty areas of the ice. The beans on this kid. Gotta admire that.

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Perhaps it is time to do some research. I have some time to kill, so what the hell.

Zuccs has played in 10 games this season. He is a +4.

In those 10 games, the Rangers have scored 29 goals and allowed 22 goals.

Of those goals:

Zuccarello has been on the ice for 8 goals for the Rangers, and 3 goals against the Rangers.

On the ice for 3 goals against out of 22, in 10 games. Defensive deficiencies?

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Defensive or not, it's not like he has stopped developing.

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Well said and 100% truth.If you dont gush over him and ignore his shortcomings,you're a hater.If you marvel over his offensive abilities,you're a true great Rangers fan.
You're definitely a hater if you keep bashing Zucc after he was voted the best player last night in the post-game poll, officially one of the 3 stars. That just doesn't make sense. If he sucks you should expect and tolerate criticism, that includes Norwegian fans.

Btw, that tv-channel knows how the female reporter screwed up, so they didn't send her back here. One less factor of irritation for Torts, and Zucc. Last night he was interviewed by TV2 Norway using a video link, a better solution.

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Perhaps it is time to do some research. I have some time to kill, so what the hell.

Zuccs has played in 10 games this season. He is a +4.

In those 10 games, the Rangers have scored 29 goals and allowed 22 goals.

Of those goals:

Zuccarello has been on the ice for 8 goals for the Rangers, and 3 goals against the Rangers.

On the ice for 3 goals against out of 22, in 10 games. Defensive deficiencies?
1 of the 3 goals against was an empty net were he was no where near the puck.

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1 of the 3 goals against was an empty net were he was no where near the puck.
Exactly, because he's so defensively deficient. He should have read the play and stopped that puck.




(full disclosure: I'm Norwegian, but I disliked the Rangers before it was fashionable. I only stop by here to see how the kid's doing, mostly limiting it to reading and not posting, so as not to hurt Rangerboy's feelings.)

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You're definitely a hater if you keep bashing Zucc after he was voted the best player last night in the post-game poll, officially one of the 3 stars. That just doesn't make sense. If he sucks you should expect and tolerate criticism, that includes Norwegian fans.

Btw, that tv-channel knows how the female reporter screwed up, so they didn't send her back here. One less factor of irritation for Torts, and Zucc. Last night he was interviewed by TV2 Norway using a video link, a better solution.
Im not a hater,but i judge a player on his overall game,not just 1 side of the ice.Being voted 1 of the 3 stars in the post game poll hardly takes away from the fact that he didnt have a good game defensively.

Silly me,voted 1 of the 3 stars of the game by a bunch of fans on an online board,what was i thinking?

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