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04-19-2013, 03:17 PM
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I see that we have to move Hemsky out this year. I still see Hemsky as being worth a 1st round pick. Where do you see this pick and which teams might have interest in him?
A $5M player who isn't a first line player(or at least a consistent 2nd liner) is going to be a very tough sell for a 1st round pick in a market where a lot of teams will be cutting cost to fit under the cap.

I think we'll see a Jussi Jokinen-esque return or MacT using a compliance buy-out on him.

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A $5M player who isn't a first line player(or at least a consistent 2nd liner) is going to be a very tough sell for a 1st round pick in a market where a lot of teams will be cutting cost to fit under the cap.

I think we'll see a Jussi Jokinen-esque return or MacT using a compliance buy-out on him.
Yeah, the Hemsky return will likely be an overpriced D, or a role player. We might also have to retain salary to up his value.

I'd trade him for Brian Boyle. Big, good role player, and can place centre.

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why are we dumping hemsky.



if we can trade him for a purpose fine, but all this **** about getting a late pick, retaining salary is ridiculous.

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why are we dumping hemsky.



if we can trade him for a purpose fine, but all this **** about getting a late pick, retaining salary is ridiculous.
Because we're in the old trap of running any value of the player through the mud so we aren't labelled homers.

I don't think Hemsky will return a top-end piece, but the Oilers won't have to beg to give him away.

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Surprised at some of the people here that wouldn't be interested in Lucic. Players like him are rare. He might be a tad overpaid and he's having a bad year but wow he would look good in our top 6.
If he doesn't look good now in Boston's top six, why would he look good on ours?

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04-19-2013, 04:09 PM
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why are we dumping hemsky.



if we can trade him for a purpose fine, but all this **** about getting a late pick, retaining salary is ridiculous.
I think it's just wanting our bottom 6 to be bigger, tougher, and stronger....oh and compete.

Hemsky is no longer a top 6 forward on this team...unless you feel Yak or Eberle should be gone?

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04-19-2013, 04:25 PM
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Read Friedmans 30 thoughts.

First Weber isn't getting traded. He asked Poile and the GM stated they are building around Weber and Rinne.

Second, he mentioned that PHX is looking for 2 forwards for Yandle....one has to be a center.

Stauffer said on today's show the Oil are interested in Yandle. He's LD so fits what Stauffer has been saying.

We know at draft they rejected Gags and Paajarvi. Gags has improved so his value has increased.

I'm not the biggest Yandle fans but I think I'd be okay with a Gags and Hemsky trade for Yandle.

We might have to pick up some of Hemskys salary to make it work though

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04-19-2013, 04:31 PM
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Looking ahead to summer 2014, this team is going to have some trouble fitting under the cap if big changes aren't made, especialy if they pay big money for some free agents this summer.

J Shutlz and RNH are going to need proper contracts that summer, and I would think we're looking at 5-6 million for each, at least if they have solid years. Petry, Dubnyk and PRV are going to want raises, and I can't see replacing any of them for cheaper. If PRV is gone, it's probably going to be in a trade for someone more expensive. We'll be relying a lot on Yakupov and Klefbom's entry level deals.

A possible scenario (parenthesis indicate a guess at salary):

Left Wing
Hall 6
PRV (2.5)
? 2
? 1

Right Wing
Yakupov 3.775
Eberle 6
? 2
? 1

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RNH 6
Gagner (5)
Horcoff 5.5
? 1

Defence
Smid 3.5
Petry (3)
J Shutlz (5)
2013 Acquisition (5)
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Backup 1.5

Total: 65.55

We don't know what the cap will be, but that number is probably pushing right against it, maybe over. Hemsky and N Shultz are gone. I don't think we can afford them, and I don't think they'll be missed. The number could be reduced quite a bit if Gagner is replaced by say Monahan and Horcoff gets bought out. Even so, that would still be around 60 million with only a single quality player added this summer. I'm assuming relatively cheap bottom 6 players to fill out the roster as well.

If anyone has hopes of adding 10 million plus in free agent signings this summer, remember that cap hit has to be made up somewhere. Room also has to be left for the 2015 summer, when Klefbom and Yakupov go off ELC, although at least Horcoff will be out of the picture by then. Obviously you never know what the future will bring, but Mac T is going to have to think very hard about every player he signs this summer with a contract longer than a year. I think we should hold on to our first round pick a well, as whoever we pick is going to be a lot cheaper than whoever we trade the pick for.
I think you're vastly overprice JSchultz. Cam Fowler came in as a 19 year old rookie and scored 40 points. 2 years later and he's a top pairing defenceman and PP specialist. He's basically what we're hoping Schultz turns into. He just signed a 5 year deal at $4M/per.
Last summer Erik Johnson, at 24, had also put up a 40-point season and is the Avs #1 d-man. He signed a 4 year deal at $3.75M/per.
And most recently, after coming off 2 x 35+ point seasons, Subban fought tooth and nail for his contract which ended up at $2.875M.

RFA d-men who haven't put up numbers in the NHL aren't going to be getting $5M+ if RFA d-men who do, don't.

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04-19-2013, 04:42 PM
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If he doesn't look good now in Boston's top six, why would he look good on ours?
He has size and is tough. There. Anyone 6'2 and over would look good in our top 6. Classic "what have you done for me lately" mentality. The guy's a beast and would be a great additon to our butter-soft forward group. He'll have a better year next season.

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Read Friedmans 30 thoughts.

First Weber isn't getting traded. He asked Poile and the GM stated they are building around Weber and Rinne.

Second, he mentioned that PHX is looking for 2 forwards for Yandle....one has to be a center.

Stauffer said on today's show the Oil are interested in Yandle. He's LD so fits what Stauffer has been saying.

We know at draft they rejected Gags and Paajarvi. Gags has improved so his value has increased.

I'm not the biggest Yandle fans but I think I'd be okay with a Gags and Hemsky trade for Yandle.

We might have to pick up some of Hemskys salary to make it work though
I'd probably be okay with this assuming we sign or make a trade for another center that can slot into the second line. Even if it's short term we can draft someone (Monahan, Barkov) who will fill that roll in 1-3 years.

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Read Friedmans 30 thoughts.

First Weber isn't getting traded. He asked Poile and the GM stated they are building around Weber and Rinne.

Second, he mentioned that PHX is looking for 2 forwards for Yandle....one has to be a center.

Stauffer said on today's show the Oil are interested in Yandle. He's LD so fits what Stauffer has been saying.

We know at draft they rejected Gags and Paajarvi. Gags has improved so his value has increased.

I'm not the biggest Yandle fans but I think I'd be okay with a Gags and Hemsky trade for Yandle.

We might have to pick up some of Hemskys salary to make it work though
we're not trading gagner unless we have a center who can play 2nd line minutes, which we don't have.... additionally, gagner + hemsky would be an overpay (as was gagner + paajarvi by the way, so i'm glad phoenix said no if that deal was indeed offered)

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One trade that was discussed on the main boards was Hemsky for Greening+, which I would be interested in.

Another that was discussed was Eberle for Cowen + Zbad, which I doubt would happen but IMO would be an excellent deal for us.

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we're not trading gagner unless we have a center who can play 2nd line minutes, which we don't have.... additionally, gagner + hemsky would be an overpay (as was gagner + paajarvi by the way, so i'm glad phoenix said no if that deal was indeed offered)
Which is what disturbs me if the rumours were true that we offered him at the draft last year.
Were they planning on Horcoff as their #2?

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04-19-2013, 05:52 PM
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we're not trading gagner unless we have a center who can play 2nd line minutes, which we don't have.... additionally, gagner + hemsky would be an overpay (as was gagner + paajarvi by the way, so i'm glad phoenix said no if that deal was indeed offered)
I want to call this the "Gagner Paradox" where we can only trade Gagner if we upgrade on Gagner but no one is willing to give up a better center. I think that's why drafting Barkov/Monahan is so important. We would actually acquire a guy who can replace him down the road.

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Second, he mentioned that PHX is looking for 2 forwards for Yandle....one has to be a center.

Stauffer said on today's show the Oil are interested in Yandle. He's LD so fits what Stauffer has been saying.

We know at draft they rejected Gags and Paajarvi. Gags has improved so his value has increased.

I'm not the biggest Yandle fans but I think I'd be okay with a Gags and Hemsky trade for Yandle.

We might have to pick up some of Hemskys salary to make it work though
I've been assuming something around Gagner and Yandle.

Spec's tweet said that after talking with MacT, Gagner is moved in the summer. Add in a deep draft in terms of C's, and our need for LHD who can move the puck, it makes a lot of sense.

Yandle is only 26 too, so he fits in here long term.

I'm not sure I like moving Gagner, especially with the season he's had, but I can see us going in that direction.

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I want to call this the "Gagner Paradox" where we can only trade Gagner if we upgrade on Gagner but no one is willing to give up a better center. I think that's why drafting Barkov/Monahan is so important. We would actually acquire a guy who can replace him down the road.
That's not a bad plan at all for down the road. What they would do for next year if they traded Gagner + for Yandle is the part I'm still waiting on. Another trade? Is there a free agent that could fit the bill? Is the "move Hall to C" still an option (not for me it isn't).

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One trade that was discussed on the main boards was Hemsky for Greening+, which I would be interested in.

Another that was discussed was Eberle for Cowen + Zbad, which I doubt would happen but IMO would be an excellent deal for us.
That would be amazing for us. We could flip Gagner for a powerforward and a D-man. Our D core would be awesome if we did.

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That's not a bad plan at all for down the road. What they would do for next year if they traded Gagner + for Yandle is the part I'm still waiting on. Another trade? Is there a free agent that could fit the bill? Is the "move Hall to C" still an option (not for me it isn't).
Maybe they don't find somebody to replace Gags. They might have to get a stop gap (i.e. not a 2nd line center) such as Boyd Gordon. They can't solve one weakness without creating another (most likely).

I've read and heard MacTs comments since becoming GM. Gags does not sound like a MacT player. He is not a possession player and opposing teams outshoot us when Gags is on the ice. MacT stated that he had no illusions during our 5 game win streak because we were outshot in all games so he figured we would return to the norm.

I think we can read the writing on the wall. Gags will be moved. It might mean we don't have a legit 2nd line center so we may have to put up with Horc or someone similar in the role. Not ideal but what can we do?

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Gagner is having a good year but he has been cold the last little bit, 2 assist in the last 5 games. His value is the highest it will be and I don't see him being part of the core in the future, time to deal him now. If we can get a top 3 dman back then we have to do it. He is terrible on the faceoff and his two way game is not the best. When it comes to being hard on the puck he can be pushed off very easily.

I think that we should trade for Ott, I would be ok with him being our 2C for a couple of seasons until our pick we draft this year is ready to be in the 2C, then Ott can be the 3C. Ott will add what we need in the top 6 and his faceoff % is very good. I think our team improves dramatically with a better faceoff%. I can see RNH improving to about 45% next year also.

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That would be amazing for us. We could flip Gagner for a powerforward and a D-man. Our D core would be awesome if we did.

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I would be worried about Cowen, yes he had one good year but we know how young dmen can have one good year then regress, That is one young dmen core, no thank you.

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Maybe they don't find somebody to replace Gags. They might have to get a stop gap (i.e. not a 2nd line center) such as Boyd Gordon. They can't solve one weakness without creating another (most likely).

I've read and heard MacTs comments since becoming GM. Gags does not sound like a MacT player. He is not a possession player and opposing teams outshoot us when Gags is on the ice. MacT stated that he had no illusions during our 5 game win streak because we were outshot in all games so he figured we would return to the norm.

I think we can read the writing on the wall. Gags will be moved. It might mean we don't have a legit 2nd line center so we may have to put up with Horc or someone similar in the role. Not ideal but what can we do?
I just don't want a cure that's worse than the disease if you catch my drift.

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Gagner is having a good year but he has been cold the last little bit, 2 assist in the last 5 games. His value is the highest it will be and I don't see him being part of the core in the future, time to deal him now. If we can get a top 3 dman back then we have to do it. He is terrible on the faceoff and his two way game is not the best. When it comes to being hard on the puck he can be pushed off very easily.

I think that we should trade for Ott, I would be ok with him being our 2C for a couple of seasons until our pick we draft this year is ready to be in the 2C, then Ott can be the 3C. Ott will add what we need in the top 6 and his faceoff % is very good. I think our team improves dramatically with a better faceoff%. I can see RNH improving to about 45% next year also.
If Gagner is not a good fit on the bottom-feeding Oilers, why would he be of any interest to better teams? His trade value is not all that high, especially given the salary he will command. We'd be lucky to get a pair of solid 3rd liners for him and Hemsky, IMHO.

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If Gagner is not a good fit on the bottom-feeding Oilers, why would he be of any interest to better teams? His trade value is not all that high, especially given the salary he will command. We'd be lucky to get a pair of solid 3rd liners for him and Hemsky, IMHO.
Wow that is a pretty negative outlook.

Young, offensively gifted centers will always be of interest to other GMs. Especially when offensively he has proven to be a top 60 center for the last several years

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If Gagner is not a good fit on the bottom-feeding Oilers, why would he be of any interest to better teams? His trade value is not all that high, especially given the salary he will command. We'd be lucky to get a pair of solid 3rd liners for him and Hemsky, IMHO.
Gags is not a fit on the oilers only because we have so many small players. He is a very good point producing second line player on a Team without size issues. There are plenty of teams that would jump at the chance to add a Gagner to their team. Put him with a couple big wingers and the issue of size becomes a moot point.

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Is there any interest from Edmonton in Dan Boyle and/or Joe Thornton if the Sharks can't get it done this year? Both are good veterans and still top star players. If Eberle and Yakupov are available, I'd be interested to see if this can happen.

And there's no interest in Hemsky from us, in case you're going to ask.

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