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04-19-2013, 09:31 PM
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Honestly, i don't buy that DD is on the team dye to being Francophone.

There are tons of passable French players around the NHL the has could acquire. You don't give a four year contract to an affirmative action hire for the all important first line center position.

Patricce bergeron and Vincent lecavalier are not available. Bordeleau, lapierre, latendresse ate examples of effective, available francophone players.

I will also point out that the bergevin administration is not giving any favoured treatment to Louis Leblanc.

Dd was kept long term because management bought into the hype that he has elite vision, not because if his blood.

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I don't think Nashville has anything of value on the team apart from Forsberg and Ellis, nothing I think the Habs would be overly interested in anyways. There's a reason they're one of the worst teams in the NHL. If you could trade Desharnais, all of our picks in the top-40 and a prospect for their #4 overall pick... maybe then... Could get Drouin.
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04-19-2013, 09:32 PM
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I am glad to see that others here understand what i've been saying about DD.

He does not have the tools to be a top 6 center on a good team in the NHL and is not physical enough play wing or bottom six either.

Even as insulated as he has been in Montreal this year, DD has been atrocious. He is the worst possible combination of slow, soft and small.

As far as eating crow, if the habs win a cup with Desharnais in the line up i will buy a Desharnais jersey and wear it for three straight days.

Bottom line... everyone knows why DD was resigned for four years, it's the blue,
blanc, rouge elephant in the room.
FWIW, when I see you post about DD in other thread I begin to think you're obsessed.

So if they bench DD we will win the cup? It's very easy to say "I doubt we win the cup with X in the lineup" because only 1/30 teams win every year. Try making a positive prediction like "I bet we win the cup first year without DD in lineup" and you'll see 29 other teams still want to win the cup that year and you'll likely be wrong.

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04-19-2013, 09:34 PM
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I was not on this forum in 2009 when plekanec was having a bad year, but i suspect it was ugly.

I was one of DD's critics early on, but some of you are going too far.

When a player is having a bad tear, reduce his responsibilities, give him space and time.
Essentially, people's criticisms are sometimes right. In a lot of cases most would agree DD can be better or is less than ideal defensively. However, it magically became a "he's not good at a single thing". It's a little much, he has his flaws but the list people are coming up with is a little much.

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lots of teams will be looking for a somewhat cheap second line center. For the team to go forward we have to have pleks, eller, chucky next year. Use the asset from DD to plug another area

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lots of teams will be looking for a somewhat cheap second line center. For the team to go forward we have to have pleks, eller, chucky next year. Use the asset from DD to plug another area
I wouldn't mind. We need a top 4 defensive d-man. Maybe we can get that.

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04-19-2013, 09:57 PM
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I wouldn't mind. We need a top 4 defensive d-man. Maybe we can get that.
Good to read that DD is worthing a top four d- man... On this never ending bashing thread.

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Good to read that DD is worthing a top four d- man... On this never ending bashing thread.

Wow.


I like DD so it shouldn't come as a surprise from me. In regards to the post, depends the D of course. A legit top 3 we'd need to add but a top 4 with flaws I think its fair.

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I like DD so it shouldn't come as a surprise from me. In regards to the post, depends the D of course. A legit top 3 we'd need to add but a top 4 with flaws I think its fair.
I still think tbat Galchenyuk is not ready yet for center duties and will not be next season. We need the top three centers we have right now for at least one more season. I have confidence DD wiol do better next year.

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I still think tbat Galchenyuk is not ready yet for center duties and will not be next season. We need the top three centers we have right now for at least one more season. I have confidence DD wiol do better next year.
The only things that DD has over Gally are experience, faceoffs, and powerplay time - all of which will come with time. DD is expendable.

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I still think tbat Galchenyuk is not ready yet for center duties and will not be next season. We need the top three centers we have right now for at least one more season. I have confidence DD wiol do better next year.
So do I but I'm open to changes if they fill a need. I feel our center depth is a little bit of a luxury right now.

I agree about galchenyuk, he seems like he's getting there and I'm happy but no rush.

What I do think about is Kristo, Leblanc and others near ready. We have some young depth if we make a move for an upgrade.

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The only things that DD has over Gally are experience, faceoffs, and powerplay time - all of which will come with time. DD is expendable.
Absolutely, DD is expendable. A lot of our players on our team are and DD is surely one of them. I think management will evaluate our options over the summer and see if upgrades can be made at any position. DD may be an option to package for an upgrade but I wouldn't call him a 'must-trade' or buyout candidate as some have. He absolutely should be available if it can improve our team.

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Uh, what? Apart from Plekanec and Galchenyuk the other two can be replaced.

DD is atrocious in face-off circle? Since when? He's 49.2%, below Plekanec but above Galchenyuk and Eller. One might say his offensive zone starts come with better defensive faceoff men as well.

DD does go in front of the net. Wasn't a pic posted up of his going in front of net and jumping so subban can get a shot on net?

He doesn't have that many shots less than Eller either...

He is small and is less than ideal defensively though, no doubt about that but no need to stretch the truth.
Stretch the truth.......

Would like to see Eller's shot numbers would be with DD's powerplay time......and not playing on the fourth, not missing 2 games, and DD's icetime....

Truth is if you keep DD for faceoffs and screening....well it's the wrong man for that job. Doesn't mean he's that bad, but he's no P. Bergeron.

DD is here for offensive and PP Specialist.....and great offensive is needed considering he's a liabilty defensively.

Right now, he bring offensive.....but no great offensive and he is awful on the PP.
So this must be fixed or DD must eventually go.



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I still think tbat Galchenyuk is not ready yet for center duties and will not be next season. We need the top three centers we have right now for at least one more season. I have confidence DD wiol do better next year.

Well, most poeple thought Galchy wasn't ready for NHL when drafted.....

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04-19-2013, 10:49 PM
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Stretch the truth.......

Would like to see Eller's shot numbers would be with DD's powerplay time......and not playing on the fourth, not missing 2 games, and DD's icetime....

Truth is if you keep DD for faceoffs and screening....well it's the wrong man for that job. Doesn't mean he's that bad, but he's no P. Bergeron.

DD is here for offensive and PP Specialist.....and great offensive is needed considering he's a liabilty defensively.

Right now, he bring offensive.....but no great offensive and he is awful on the PP.
So this must be fixed or DD must eventually go.
You've agreed DD plays vs better defensive line-ups but not as good offensive line ups. What makes you think Eller and company would outproduce him against better defensive matchups? Certainly Eller is a better defensive player but there's no evidence he'd succeed in tougher D matchup. Besides, we're arguing shot numbers, not goals...

You're right though, he isn't Bergeron but we don't have a single center as good as Bergeron. Plekanec is close but still not him.

Most of our forwards are awful on PP. It's D based, our D takes all the shots. I don't mind switching it up though, doesn't hurt.

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04-20-2013, 04:43 AM
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FWIW, when I see you post about DD in other thread I begin to think you're obsessed.

So if they bench DD we will win the cup? It's very easy to say "I doubt we win the cup with X in the lineup" because only 1/30 teams win every year. Try making a positive prediction like "I bet we win the cup first year without DD in lineup" and you'll see 29 other teams still want to win the cup that year and you'll likely be wrong.
dude that comment is bang on , get over it

contenders like the hawks , boston , etc dont have a DD in the lineup
it has nothing to do if he is benched or not

he plays no role on a contender , its the same as having 4 blueliners 5`10" and 180 pounds and trying to win

he can play in calagary where they have nothing and stink

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You've agreed DD plays vs better defensive line-ups but not as good offensive line ups. What makes you think Eller and company would outproduce him against better defensive matchups? Certainly Eller is a better defensive player but there's no evidence he'd succeed in tougher D matchup. Besides, we're arguing shot numbers, not goals...

You're right though, he isn't Bergeron but we don't have a single center as good as Bergeron. Plekanec is close but still not him.

Most of our forwards are awful on PP. It's D based, our D takes all the shots. I don't mind switching it up though, doesn't hurt.
you're overrating Bergeron a little if you think he's better than Plekanec. They're actually pretty much equivalent players. Both +/- 60 pts players, both solid defensively, while Bergeron is better on faceoffs, Plekanec is better on "counter attack". Pretty sure neither team would do a 1 on 1 Plekanec/Bergeron trade.

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Absolutely, DD is expendable. A lot of our players on our team are and DD is surely one of them. I think management will evaluate our options over the summer and see if upgrades can be made at any position. DD may be an option to package for an upgrade but I wouldn't call him a 'must-trade' or buyout candidate as some have. He absolutely should be available if it can improve our team.
DD can be traded in 10 minutes at the draft if we are willing to take back close to nothing or a similar contract , hopefully a depth botton 6 with size

teams arent at the floor , some teams are so weak at center like nashville , calgary , etc... and his cap isnt too bad

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I will eat the same amount of crow about DD as I did with Angelo Esposito.
good one , save me the wing

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Thanks tips, I was confused for a second. Really thought Desharnais was on the '93 Habs cup team. Thanks for clarifying that.
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I was not on this forum in 2009 when plekanec was having a bad year, but i suspect it was ugly.

I was one of DD's critics early on, but some of you are going too far.

When a player is having a bad tear, reduce his responsibilities, give him space and time.
PLEKS is a solid 2 way player ,when he slipped he still played d and killed penalties

dd cant do any of that , come on , he cant carry pleks jock strap

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I don't think Nashville has anything of value on the team apart from Forsberg and Ellis, nothing I think the Habs would be overly interested in anyways. There's a reason they're one of the worst teams in the NHL. If you could trade Desharnais, all of our picks in the top-40 and a prospect for their #4 overall pick... maybe then... Could get Drouin.
u aint getting a top pick pick or prospect from anyone

maybe a third and a bottom 6 salary dump

i take it , our bottom 6 is brutal

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You've agreed DD plays vs better defensive line-ups but not as good offensive line ups. What makes you think Eller and company would outproduce him against better defensive matchups? Certainly Eller is a better defensive player but there's no evidence he'd succeed in tougher D matchup. Besides, we're arguing shot numbers, not goals...

You're right though, he isn't Bergeron but we don't have a single center as good as Bergeron. Plekanec is close but still not him.

Most of our forwards are awful on PP. It's D based, our D takes all the shots. I don't mind switching it up though, doesn't hurt.
But there's no evidence they won't either.
What you're saying about the match-up WAS true....but not anymore.

All three line are dangerous and if you asked me, DD's line is getting less dangerous without Pacioretty and Gallagher....we'll see how this will goes.

I'm pretty sure the opponent will look more at Plek and Eller line....with Pacioretty and Gally gone from DD's side, Eller and Plek will be the one our opponent will check more and more.

As for : "Most of our forward are awfull on PP"

Ryder is the 14th best in the league on the PP
Plekanec is the 23rd best in the league on the PP
Pacioretty is the 53rd best in the league on the PP

Gionta is struggling and shuld not really be there, but still better than DD
Eller got as many points as DD but with 100 minutes less of ice-time...

So NO, our forward has been pretty good actually....only DD that sucks on the PP, followed closely by Gionta....other than that, they've been pretty awesome

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you're overrating Bergeron a little if you think he's better than Plekanec. They're actually pretty much equivalent players. Both +/- 60 pts players, both solid defensively, while Bergeron is better on faceoffs, Plekanec is better on "counter attack". Pretty sure neither team would do a 1 on 1 Plekanec/Bergeron trade.
Plekanec doesn't have Bergeron's concussion history. I think Boston would do taht 1 for 1 but Montreal wouldn't. As players they are pretty even.

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Plekanec doesn't have Bergeron's concussion history. I think Boston would do taht 1 for 1 but Montreal wouldn't. As players they are pretty even.
I love, love, love Pleks.

But 1-for-1, I take Bergeron every time.

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you're overrating Bergeron a little if you think he's better than Plekanec. They're actually pretty much equivalent players. Both +/- 60 pts players, both solid defensively, while Bergeron is better on faceoffs, Plekanec is better on "counter attack". Pretty sure neither team would do a 1 on 1 Plekanec/Bergeron trade.
....Pretty sure Montreal would do it 25 times out of 24.
And Boston would reject 70 times out of 60.

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