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04-20-2013, 12:27 AM
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How is it empty? You're STILL comparing point totals of a scoring forward to defensive d-man. It's absurd.
Paajarvi is not a scoring forward, he's a checking line forward.

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Hemsky isn't producing like a top 6 anymore. It's not 2006. His $5M price tag gives him negative value.

Smid is a fine top 4 D-man. That's cool but Cowen has top 2 potential and having Smid on your team definitely doesn't not mean Cowen is redundant like you're saying. It's actually ridiculous to suggest the Oilers wouldn't need Cowen when he's EXACTLY what they need.


Oh and of course Fistric and N. Schultz are NHL caliber... they're depth defenseman on bad teams. They wouldn't crack Ottawa's lineup and certainly wouldn't make them a better team if they did.
So Gryba would keep his spot over Schultz or Fistric?...

And Ottawa has elite goaltending. It makes everyone on the team look better. Look at what happened to Nashville when Rinne struggled for part of the season.

I am not saying having Cowen would be redundant. I am saying it wouldn't make sense to give up assets for him. He would certainly get a ton of minutes. But then we would be stuck with Schultz, or we gave up a 3rd for Fistric just to let him walk as a UFA.

Cowen and J.Schultz would make a great pairing. But the Oil brass and fan base strongly believe that Klefbom will fill that role.

Our biggest need is a puck moving D. That is why I suggested Wiercoch over Cowen because he would fill a void after Whitney leaves.

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04-20-2013, 12:28 AM
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How is it empty? You're STILL comparing point totals of a scoring forward to defensive d-man. It's absurd.
He is also comparing a third year player to a second year player in terms of games played, but I wouldn't let that stop you from taking him seriously.

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Didn't you know... as soon as other fan bases speculate a player is less valuable than the trio of first overalls he plays with... he is automatically worth less in trades... so much less that a injury riddled top four D with one full season is stretching the reches of Ottawa generosity...
Does anyone disagree that you will get less for a player you are willing to give up than a player you have no interest in trading?

I think Eberle would be worth more than Cowen straight up.

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04-20-2013, 12:29 AM
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So. sick of oilers fans bringing up cowens injury when he was 17 and was still in junior. You guys should focus more on your #1 center who has a shoulder of a boy and its not like hall didnt hav his share of injuries

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Paajarvi is not a scoring forward, he's a checking line forward.
Well there you go. Cowen >> Paajarvi then. Was that so hard?

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So Gryba would keep his spot over Schultz or Fistric?...

And Ottawa has elite goaltending. It makes everyone on the team look better. Look at what happened to Nashville when Rinne struggled for part of the season.

I am not saying having Cowen would be redundant. I am saying it wouldn't make sense to give up assets for him. He would certainly get a ton of minutes. But then we would be stuck with Schultz, or we gave up a 3rd for Fistric just to let him walk as a UFA.

Cowen and J.Schultz would make a great pairing. But the Oil brass and fan base strongly believe that Klefbom will fill that role.

Our biggest need is a puck moving D. That is why I suggested Wiercoch over Cowen because he would fill a void after Whitney leaves.
You said the Oilers didn't need Cowen because they already had guys like that. That means redundant.

Yes Gryba is better than Schultz and Fistric.

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So. sick of oilers fans bringing up cowens injury when he was 17 and was still in junior you guys should focus more in your #1 center who has a shoulder of a boy and its not like hall didnt hav his share of injuries
Has the shoulder of a boy? What do we have Jerry Sandusky in this thread...

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He is also comparing a third year player to a second year player in terms of games played, but I wouldn't let that stop you from taking him seriously.

Does anyone disagree that you will get less for a player you are willing to give up than a player you have no interest in trading?

I think Eberle would be worth more than Cowen straight up.
They were drafted in the same year.

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They were drafted in the same year.
Yes they were. Cowen was sent back to junior to round out his offensive game while Paajarvi was rushed into the NHL. 2011/2012 was Cowen's first year hence he is a second year player.

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Well there you go. Cowen >> Paajarvi then. Was that so hard?
He'd likely be top 6 on the Sens though.

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So. sick of oilers fans bringing up cowens injury when he was 17 and was still in junior. You guys should focus more on your #1 center who has a shoulder of a boy and its not like hall didnt hav his share of injuries
How are Spezza and Karlsson doing...

Because RNH has more games played than both combined this year + Cowen


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Yes they were. Cowen was sent back to junior to round out his offensive game while Paajarvi was rushed into the NHL. 2011/2012 was Cowen's first year hence he is a second year player.
And Paajarvi was sent back to Sweden. Had Cowen not missed an entire year of junior development the Sens likely would have "rushed" him into the NHL the same year Paajarvi started.

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He'd likely be top 6 on the Sens though.
He'd be in the AHL, without a doubt. Michalek, Conacher, Latendresse and Greening on LW. PRV being waiver exempt especially would push him down to the AHL.

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Yes they were. Cowen was sent back to junior to round out his offensive game while Paajarvi was rushed into the NHL. 2011/2012 was Cowen's first year hence he is a second year player.


Do you really not see your bias? Cowen was sent back "To hone his masterful offensive skill" while Paajarvi was thrown onto the ice like some underdeveloped kid?

How about, Paajarvi was NHL ready, Cowen was not.

Oh, and he has only played 1 year, correct? He had a 40-some odd game injury if I'm not mistaken. 2 games this year is what I'm seeing. That qualifies as a 2nd year player in your books?

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And Paajarvi was sent back to Sweden. Had Cowen not missed an entire year of junior development the Sens likely would have "rushed" him into the NHL the same year Paajarvi started.
Not sure what your quotation marks are all about. Does Paajarvi's season last year not show he could have used additional time in the AHL? I just think it is unfair to compare their games played before entering the league when it comes to prospects. Some teams like to throw them on the NHL roster right away while some teams like to let them develop their game at a lower level.

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He'd be in the AHL, without a doubt. Michalek, Conacher, Latendresse and Greening on LW. PRV being waiver exempt especially would push him down to the AHL.
If he would be in the AHL then the Sens have horrible asset management.

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If he would be in the AHL then the Sens have horrible asset management.
Come again? (twss)


Having young waiver-exempt players developing in the AHL is "horrible asset management''?

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Do you really not see your bias? Cowen was sent back "To hone his masterful offensive skill" while Paajarvi was thrown onto the ice like some underdeveloped kid?

How about, Paajarvi was NHL ready, Cowen was not.

Oh, and he has only played 1 year, correct? He had a 40-some odd game injury if I'm not mistaken. 2 games this year is what I'm seeing. That qualifies as a 2nd year player in your books?
Well first off it is your own insecurities that have you seeing my comment in that light. At the time Cowen was sent back Ottawa's GM said it was to let him develop more offensively. In no way does that describe his offense would be masterful. If anything it implies Ottawa was not happy with where he was offensively. Paajarvi proved he was not NHL ready by the way he regressed in his second year hence he was sent down to OKC. This year things seem to be going a lot better for him after he spent some time in the AHL. As for your second comment if Cowen has played two games this season then yeah he is playing in his second year.

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If he would be in the AHL then the Sens have horrible asset management.
In terms of that comment. Please feel free to go look at Ottawa's recent drafting history and development compared to Edmonton's. Not that I agree with the original statement by MAK.

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At the time Cowen was sent back Ottawa's GM said it was to let him develop more offensively.
Is this the same GM who promised Brian Lee would be top four D in three years of being drafted... I trust that guy's word...

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Is this the same GM who promised Brian Lee would be top four D in three years of being drafted... I trust that guy's word...
John Muckler? Yeah he doesn't work for Ottawa anymore. I'm speaking about Bryan Murray who had nothing to do with Brian Lee's draft. This comment just speaks to the fact that you have nothing to say haha. What would you even be trusting? That a defenseman isn't ready to play in the NHL at nineteen years old? Yeah sounds fishy.

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Well there you go. Cowen >> Paajarvi then. Was that so hard?



You said the Oilers didn't need Cowen because they already had guys like that. That means redundant.

Yes Gryba is better than Schultz and Fistric.
Exactly Cowen isn't a need.

We need a #1 D, a top 6 player with size/grit, and a puck moving D.

Having Cowen would be nice. But you don't make trades just to make other players redundant unless you are 100% sure that they are leaving.

Gryba would not crack our roster...

Unless they wanted to punish Ryan Whitney by giving him his spot.

on being #2 in GA...

You essentially had 3 starting goalies at one point.

And got a good young roster player by trading 1 away..

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Come again? (twss)


Having young waiver-exempt players developing in the AHL is "horrible asset management''?
The guy is NHL ready. You don't keep NHL players rotting in the A when they're fully capable of playing in the NHL.

It would be like keeping Greening in the A for the 2011-2012 season.

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I like Cowen, would rather keep Eberle.

Seems like both sides should shut up and be happy, no?
I like this idea.

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Exactly Cowen isn't a need.

We need a #1 D, a top 6 player with size/grit, and a puck moving D.

Having Cowen would be nice. But you don't make trades just to make other players redundant unless you are 100% sure that they are leaving.

Gryba would not crack our roster...

Unless they wanted to punish Ryan Whitney by giving him his spot.

on being #2 in GA...

You essentially had 3 starting goalies at one point.

And got a good young roster player by trading 1 away..
So Gryba who is playing over 20 minutes for the Sens would not crack the Oilers lineup?

Come on man, try actually thinking before you type.


Dubnyk has a .920 SV %. That's really good. At some point you have to stop blaming your goalie for your deficiencies.

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The guy is NHL ready. You don't keep NHL players rotting in the A when they're fully capable of playing in the NHL.

It would be like keeping Greening in the A for the 2011-2012 season.
Except for the small fact Greening > Paajarvi, Greening is 26 and Paajarvi 21, and Greening was eligible for waivers. Completely different situation.

Ottawa doesn't rush players.


Dude, you've admitted Paajarvi is a 3rd/4th line winger. If you think he's still better and more valuable than Cowen, then that means you don't know ANYTHING about Cowen. Admit it, it's OK. We get it, you can't watch every single NHL game.

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Admit it, it's OK. We get it, you can't watch every single NHL game.
Well admittedly it is awful hard to see Cowen play this year... considering he has been in all of two games

Injury prone top ten pick for slow developing top ten pick... yeah Oilers will keep PRV thanks...

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