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04-19-2013, 08:23 PM
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Is it worthless to move up this year around?

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Ryan Whitney and Mark Fistric are both UFA next July. Two big guys. Fistric might be a good cheap bottom pairing to get. Whitney had his best seasons in Pittsburgwith Therrien as a coach.

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Montreal definitely still needs to address size on the wings and a physical top 4 defenseman. Who leaves and stays will be a tough decision for MB.

There may have to be some decisions made on a guys like Markov and Gorges. Both have contracts that make it difficult to move. Both players i like but Markov really has become a 5th defenseman PP specialist.

Up front, still too small in the top 6 unless you drop Pleks down to play a more defensive role and move Galchenyuk back to center. I am not fond of the DD signing overall as it doesnt address a need especially a long term one. Personally i would of rather them try and address size at the wings and went with Pleks, Galchenyuk, and Eller down the middle.

Overall, its promising and i am glad MB didnt mortgage the future for this year as i still dont see the team as legit Cup contender. There is more tinkering that must be done but its nice seeing what they Gally's have become, how Subban has blossomed, Eller is thriving, and Emelin and Diaz look like legit top four defenseman.

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from the looks we are gonna have 3 picks in the top 36 this year to go along with the other good assets

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Ryder, Pleks, Gionta
Patches,Galchenyuk , Vanek
Bourque,Eller, Gallagher
Prust Halpern Moen

Vanek will probably be moved this summer and we have enough asset to get him. Thats four pretty good lines I think

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Ryan Whitney and Mark Fistric are both UFA next July. Two big guys. Fistric might be a good cheap bottom pairing to get. Whitney had his best seasons in Pittsburgwith Therrien as a coach.
Whitney is one of the softest players in the league and can barely get consistent playing time on a bottom feeder...major pass.

Would be interested in Fistric, although is he anything more than a bigger Bouillon? He doesn't seem to be a big fighter or anything...

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Ryan Whitney and Mark Fistric are both UFA next July. Two big guys. Fistric might be a good cheap bottom pairing to get. Whitney had his best seasons in Pittsburgwith Therrien as a coach.
Whitney is done as an NHL player. His foot is borked and he just plain can't move at NHL speeds.

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I'd posted this on the other thread before it closed. Any interest in Seabrook as a 1.5?

The Habs won't struggle under the cap this summer, unlike several teams with lots of defensive depth. From the sounds of it, Chicago fans have been quite unimpressed with Seabrook this year. Apparently he's been outperformed by Hjalmarsson, thus making Hjalmarsson a no-trade and Seabrook a possibility (to the fans at least). His contract is 5.8mil until 2016-2017. He's big, tough, offensively reliable, 27yrs old. He is one of the best defenceman in the league but, perhaps not this year from the sounds of things. What would it take to get him? Chicago needs a cheap #2 Center, likely a cheap defenceman in return and perhaps bottom 6 wingers. What can be made around the following? Is there interest for Montreal giving up real assets?

Desharnais (1mil retained) + Emelin/Diaz + xxx

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Eller + Diaz/Emelin + xxx

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Plekanec + xxx
Missed the point, you are giving away D depth by moving Diaz or Emelin. My point was to move Marky to number 5, and get one more top 4 big guy. That guy is our tough depth WITH Emelin and Tinordi. One of them will always be hurt.

If no acceptable UFA, then I don't think we have enough forward depth to trade for a top 4D. DD will get us nothing, and I'm not trading Eller. I'm not trading Kristo or Collberg either. Way too much upside.

For a top 4 D, It's UFA or nothing, unfortunately.

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Overhaul? Gorges, subban, Emelin and Diaz seem to be in the long term plans. Markov will play out his contract, and bouillon will be a 6-7th dman.

They really only need 1 addition to act as a stop gap before beaulieu, tinordi, pateryn or whoever is ready for the next step
Not a stop gap. A top 4 to play with those guys during our cup window.

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I'm definitely with you on the "build for the future" ideals. The team isn't built to steadily compete for another 2-3 years, maybe less if good players are brought in during the offseason after this one. People seem really caught up in this years success, we're still in only year one of the rebuild! If it means we can have an awesome team in 2-3 years I am very happy with sticking to the rebuilding plan.

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I disagree, the time for waiting is over. We should make a move for a top 4 D this summer, and a big tough 3-4th liner to support Prust.

Then, if we are 6th or higher in conference at deadline, go for a sniper if possible.

We are not 2-3 years away from contending, we are 1 year away.

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Overhaul? Gorges, subban, Emelin and Diaz seem to be in the long term plans. Markov will play out his contract, and bouillon will be a 6-7th dman.

They really only need 1 addition to act as a stop gap before beaulieu, tinordi, pateryn or whoever is ready for the next step
Gorges is not a long-term plan, the guy is beat-up. And we're not sure if Diaz can maintain being a NHL-er, he would not be in my Top 3 of a NHL team. Emelin is overrated. The rest are young guys that have proven zero. Beaulien has a lot to eat before making it in the NHL.

Our D squad has always been too small and along the way it's hard to battle against other teams with these guys. We should get bigger, grittier, more talented.

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Montreal definitely still needs to address size on the wings and a physical top 4 defenseman?

Sign Clarkson.

Trade for Byfuglien.

easier said than done tho

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Man, wish we still had McDonough at this point.

I think our D pool will develop for next year, so I am not too sure we need to get someone through FA. Most FA are washed up, or won't want to come here. Also, for a trade, it would probably cost too much. I see us developing our prospects as the only way to go.

I think that Tinordi and Beaulieu will work quite hard in the off-season to gain mass, and that one or both of them will step up, and come playoff time, we should have no real issues.

I would like to see us get some who hits and gets in the crease like Gallagher, but who is much bigger.

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[QUOTE=bsl;64305443]Missed the point, you are giving away D depth by moving Diaz or Emelin. My point was to move Marky to number 5, and get one more top 4 big guy. That guy is our tough depth WITH Emelin and Tinordi. One of them will always be hurt.

If no acceptable UFA, then I don't think we have enough forward depth to trade for a top 4D. DD will get us nothing, and I'm not trading Eller. I'm not trading Kristo or Collberg either. Way too much upside.

For a top 4 D, It's UFA or nothing, unfortunately.



Not a stop gap. A top 4 to play with those guys during our cup window.

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I'm definitely with you on the "build for the future" ideals. The team isn't built to steadily compete for another 2-3 years, maybe less if good players are brought in during the offseason after this one. People seem really caught up in this years success, we're still in only year one of the rebuild! If it means we can have an awesome team in 2-3 years I am very happy with sticking to the rebuilding plan.

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I disagree, the time for waiting is over. We should make a move for a top 4 D this summer, and a big tough 3-4th liner to support Prust.

Then, if we are 6th or higher in conference at deadline, go for a sniper if possible.

We are not 2-3 years away from contending, we are 1 year away.
The time for waiting hasn't really started yet...

Bergevin came in with a 3-5 year plan to make the team consistent Stanley Cup contenders. We are on year one. He traded Cole to make cap room, signed Armstrong, Bouillon and Prust so we could protect the rookies' in their development, he cut Kaberle and Gomez to make room for the future, and he traded a 5th for Drewiske to keep Beaulieu, Pateryn and Tinordi from having to step in during the playoffs.

We aren't trying to contend this year or next, potentially not even the year after that unless we sign great players in Free Agency. Our core defensive and offensive players are too early in their development to expect them to be contenders next year. Our "cup window" is when Pacioretty, Desharnais, Eller, Price and Subban are all in their primes ~2 years. Hopefully we'll have another cup window when Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Kristo/Collberg are in their primes ~4-5yrs and these players are still competing.

Next year is a wash year as far as I'm concerned. If we can acquire or sign a couple of younger guys or RFAs then that's great, we could make the playoffs. If we can trade aging assets or aging depth for another younger #1 or #2 dman it puts the team closer to contending. There are no Top-4 dmen in this year's UFA crop, Markov is no longer a #2 and as you said, would best be suited to #5. Emelin and Diaz have both played their best hockey with Markov and haven't shown they can be productive individually (haven't had much of a chance to). I don't see Diaz or Emelin as cup-contending Top-4 d-men. They are older defenceman, not experienced NHL defenceman. Gorges shouldn't be our #2.

If we can trade Gionta, Markov, Desharnais, Bourque, Bouillon, Moen, Gorges and even one of Emelin/Diaz to real contenders who's windows are closing for their high-impact prospects, picks or roster players... then I am very happy. Plekanec shouldn't be traded until Galchenyuk or Eller can take his spot. I'd say that would be the year after next.

I hate to say it but, I doubt the team will produce like it has this year. There will be sophomore slumps and aging players and a longer schedule for our smaller team. The players that can be brought in by FA won't cover the losses or make huge differences. This isn't our time to be a contender, let's build for when that time comes.

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Missed the point, you are giving away D depth by moving Diaz or Emelin. My point was to move Marky to number 5, and get one more top 4 big guy. That guy is our tough depth WITH Emelin and Tinordi. One of them will always be hurt.

If no acceptable UFA, then I don't think we have enough forward depth to trade for a top 4D. DD will get us nothing, and I'm not trading Eller. I'm not trading Kristo or Collberg either. Way too much upside.

For a top 4 D, It's UFA or nothing, unfortunately.



Not a stop gap. A top 4 to play with those guys during our cup window.



The time for waiting hasn't really started yet...

Bergevin came in with a 3-5 year plan to make the team consistent Stanley Cup contenders. We are on year one. He traded Cole to make cap room, signed Armstrong, Bouillon and Prust so we could protect the rookies' in their development, he cut Kaberle and Gomez to make room for the future, and he traded a 5th for Drewiske to keep Beaulieu, Pateryn and Tinordi from having to step in during the playoffs.

We aren't trying to contend this year or next, potentially not even the year after that unless we sign great players in Free Agency. Our core defensive and offensive players are too early in their development to expect them to be contenders next year. Our "cup window" is when Pacioretty, Desharnais, Eller, Price and Subban are all in their primes ~2 years. Hopefully we'll have another cup window when Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Kristo/Collberg are in their primes ~4-5yrs and these players are still competing.

Next year is a wash year as far as I'm concerned. If we can acquire or sign a couple of younger guys or RFAs then that's great, we could make the playoffs. If we can trade aging assets or aging depth for another younger #1 or #2 dman it puts the team closer to contending. There are no Top-4 dmen in this year's UFA crop, Markov is no longer a #2 and as you said, would best be suited to #5. Emelin and Diaz have both played their best hockey with Markov and haven't shown they can be productive individually (haven't had much of a chance to). I don't see Diaz or Emelin as cup-contending Top-4 d-men. They are older defenceman, not experienced NHL defenceman. Gorges shouldn't be our #2.

If we can trade Gionta, Markov, Desharnais, Bourque, Bouillon, Moen, Gorges and even one of Emelin/Diaz to real contenders who's windows are closing for their high-impact prospects, picks or roster players... then I am very happy. Plekanec shouldn't be traded until Galchenyuk or Eller can take his spot. I'd say that would be the year after next.

I hate to say it but, I doubt the team will produce like it has this year. There will be sophomore slumps and aging players and a longer schedule for our smaller team. The players that can be brought in by FA won't cover the losses or make huge differences. This isn't our time to be a contender, let's build for when that time comes.
So you'd like to completely overhaul the 2nd best in the East and top 5 in the NHL? Tough crowd.

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So you'd like to completely overhaul the 2nd best in the East and top 5 in the NHL? Tough crowd.
Trading a any of the following (preferably at the deadline) isn't exactly an overhaul: Markov, Bouillon, Gionta, Moen.

Trading Bourque, Gorges, Desharnais, Emelin/Diaz is just to get quality assets back.

They aren't exactly core or key players that can't be replaced.

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Trading a any of the following (preferably at the deadline) isn't exactly an overhaul: Markov, Bouillon, Gionta, Moen.

Trading Bourque, Gorges, Desharnais, Emelin/Diaz is just to get quality assets back.

They aren't exactly core or key players that can't be replaced.
So trading 3 of our current top 4 defensman and 3 of our top 6 forwards, one of which is the captain, isn't a complete overhaul? Ok. I can see you're very reasonable in your opinion. Nice talking to you.

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Gorges is not a long-term plan, the guy is beat-up. And we're not sure if Diaz can maintain being a NHL-er, he would not be in my Top 3 of a NHL team. Emelin is overrated. The rest are young guys that have proven zero. Beaulien has a lot to eat before making it in the NHL.

Our D squad has always been too small and along the way it's hard to battle against other teams with these guys. We should get bigger, grittier, more talented.
Agreed, Gorges, looks to be the odd man out, the only reason being his contract, if you look beyond next year, if this team wants to get to the next level, here's the salary structure , (estimates)

Subban, $ 6/7 Million
Emelin, $ 4/5 Million.
Diaz, $ /4 Mil
Markov, $ 3/4
Tinordi, Bealieau, ELC

Still do not have that big tough, strong, dominating # 4 D-Man that will be necessary to get to the next level, so where does Gorges fit, he's not a shut down guy, not physical, PP, no way, so at $ 3.9/yr, what does he bring to the table, has nothing to do with his heart, his passion, etc, it's his contract, it's too rich for the team to go to the next level.
I wouldn't be surprised he's shopped this summer, while he still has some legs, he certainly can fit the bill for a team, looking for a player like him

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I hope Ian White is being targeted. Right Handed Offensive D Man
Subban, Diaz, Weber... How many right handed offensive d-men does a team need?

Besides, I think a lot of people under evaluate our defense. Especially with Tinordi and Beaulieu soon to be NHL-ready.


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This summer could be the best time to do a big trade. What do you think of trading for Malkin? I know it could sound ridiculous, but if Pittsburgh win the Stanley Cup and would like to keep Letang and the duo Iginla + Crosby, I think Malkin could be trade this summer.

What could it take to trade for him and his last year of contract?

Plekanek + Gallagher + Kristo + 1rst 2013 (trade during the draft)

They traded dept to have a good chance to win the cup this year. I think it could be great to get dept back and we have a bunch of good players, but no superstars.

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We need to trade/sign a good top 4 defender whose big, but can actually move and play on the second pp unit. Beaulieu and Tinordi are great players, but still need more time to develop, there is no need to rush them up at all. As we saw Beaulieu is very close to being nhl ready but not quite there yet. Let him dominate the ahl next year, work on his faults and become a better overall player. The bulldogs will be stronger next year and hopefully some of our prospects will blosom. Having said that adressing our needs I think we should try to sign Douglas Murray this offseason. We lose no assets and get a big guy.

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Markov Emelin

Gorges subban

Murray Diaz

Bouillon in the box and beulieu tinordi calls up.

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Ryder, Pleks, Gionta
Patches,Galchenyuk , Vanek
Bourque,Eller, Gallagher
Prust Halpern Moen

Vanek will probably be moved this summer and we have enough asset to get him. Thats four pretty good lines I think
If you want Vanek, you'll have to sacrifice Eller... I'd be ok with it if we can draft a player like Gauthier...

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Agreed, Gorges, looks to be the odd man out, the only reason being his contract, if you look beyond next year, if this team wants to get to the next level, here's the salary structure , (estimates)

Subban, $ 6/7 Million
Emelin, $ 4/5 Million.
Diaz, $ /4 Mil
Markov, $ 3/4
Tinordi, Bealieau, ELC

Still do not have that big tough, strong, dominating # 4 D-Man that will be necessary to get to the next level, so where does Gorges fit, he's not a shut down guy, not physical, PP, no way, so at $ 3.9/yr, what does he bring to the table, has nothing to do with his heart, his passion, etc, it's his contract, it's too rich for the team to go to the next level.
I wouldn't be surprised he's shopped this summer, while he still has some legs, he certainly can fit the bill for a team, looking for a player like him
In what world are Emelin and Diaz worth more than Markov ???

And please, both Emelin and Diaz aren't worth remotely close to what you just wrote. Emelin could get around 3,5... maybe 4 if a team's in love with the hits stats... Diaz needs to show a lot more before getting anything over 2mil a year.

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If you want Vanek, you'll have to sacrifice Eller... I'd be ok with it if we can draft a player like Gauthier...



In what world are Emelin and Diaz worth more than Markov ???

And please, both Emelin and Diaz aren't worth remotely close to what you just wrote. Emelin could get around 3,5... maybe 4 if a team's in love with the hits stats... Diaz needs to show a lot more before getting anything over 2mil a year.
In what world are Emelin and Diaz worth more than Markov ???, a declining Markov, remember, we're talking 2 yrs out, Markov will most likely be signing one or two contracts

And please, both Emelin and Diaz aren't worth remotely close to what you just wrote. Emelin could get around 3,5... maybe 4 if a team's in love with the hits stats... Diaz needs to show a lot more before getting anything over 2mil a year
If Gorges is at $ 3.9, surely Emelin will command more than Gorges, still think Diaz will be in the $3/4 range in two years (his next contract)

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Ryder, Pleks, Gionta
Patches,Galchenyuk , Vanek
Bourque,Eller, Gallagher
Prust Halpern Moen

Vanek will probably be moved this summer and we have enough asset to get him. Thats four pretty good lines I think
That's a cap-busting lineup the following season, and besides, getting Vanek likely means sacrificing Eller, which basically means replacing Eller lby DD AND an immediate cap-bust.

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So you'd like to completely overhaul the 2nd best in the East and top 5 in the NHL? Tough crowd.
Not saying we need to overhaul the team, personally, but our defense needs serious tinkering and we're losing one of our best offensive players this offseason. There's going to have to be changes to keep us up where we are.

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Okay, don't shoot me but here is what i would do where possible:

Buyout Kaberle 4.2
Trade Gionta (Columbus will need forwards) 5.0
Trade Bourque 3.3 and Desharnais 3.5(Columbus or Nashville)
Trade Moen 1.8 and White .7

Not sure why Desharnais was signed so soon but we have to make room for Galchenyuk and Eller at Center. Pleks is our best player.

Cap spacewould be approx. 23 million. New line-up:

Stalberg (FA) 2.0 Pleks Hossa 5.3 (Chicago is in big cap trouble)
Clowe (FA) 4.5 Eller Gally
Patches Galchenyuk Dupuis (FA) 3.0 (other options are Jagr,Clarkson, Fillpula)
Prust Dumont/Bournival Bickell (FA) 1.2
Nystrom (FA) 1.5

Add either Bieksa 4.6 or Doug Murray (FA) 2.5. Vancouver is in cap trouble also.

We get alot bigger and tougher but do not lose any speed.

Dare to dream.
Talk about overpaying for Clowe. Dude is not worth it at his age and after the season he has had. Yes he has improved in NY but I would be too worried he would **** the bed next year again and he is not worth that much on the lowered cap.

Hossa is old and from what some Chicago fans have been saying, no where near the player he once was. He is likely a buyout candidate. Another no thanks unless he is bought out and signs for a year at much lower.

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So trading 3 of our current top 4 defensman and 3 of our top 6 forwards, one of which is the captain, isn't a complete overhaul? Ok. I can see you're very reasonable in your opinion. Nice talking to you.
I'm not talking about trading them all at once.

Read the OP, it was hard to tell. Sorry about that.


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