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09-04-2006, 12:45 PM
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Chris Kelly IMO is a carbon copy of Shawn Van Allan, a guy who works very hard at both ends of the ice but mostly known as a defensive specialist. I don't think that Kelly is big enough or tough enough to be a centreman in the NHL, I think he is better suited for the LW. He is the kind of player that Jacques Martin and Bryan Murray love but not so much Muckler who loves offensive players more. I could see Muckler trading Volchenkov and possibly Kelly in a package before the start of the season because Ottawa just has too many bodies right now.

Olesz would be nice but I don't see Florida as a good trading partner for what we have to offer. A few teams that would make likely trading partners could be St Louis for Tkachuk or Pittsburg for Ryan Malone, possibly Edmonton for Torres or Moreau. We could just end up with a draft pick for either A-Train or Schubert whoever they decide in the end to move.

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09-04-2006, 01:23 PM
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Dont give me that, Hamel has 3 times more talent in his pinky finger that Kelly will ever have. He was the only reason people came to see that pathetic team we had in Bingo last year
GP: 139 G :14 A: 9 P: 23 -10 Hamel

GP: 86 G:10 A: 20 P: 30 19 Kelly

I understand that both Hamel and Kelly get 4th liner minutes whenever they play. Looks to me like Kelly is more suited for the NHL since he has 7 more points in 53 less games.

I personally wouldn't say Kelly is a Fisher like player, but Kelly definately has some heart to him. I remember at the Kings game last year he fought someone who was a much bigger and tougher guy but he still stood up to him even though he got pummelled. Fisher can fight so I wouldn't put Kelly and Fisher in the same light.

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09-04-2006, 01:35 PM
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GP: 139 G :14 A: 9 P: 23 -10 Hamel

GP: 86 G:10 A: 20 P: 30 19 Kelly

I understand that both Hamel and Kelly get 4th liner minutes whenever they play. Looks to me like Kelly is more suited for the NHL since he has 7 more points in 53 less games.

I personally wouldn't say Kelly is a Fisher like player, but Kelly definately has some heart to him. I remember at the Kings game last year he fought someone who was a much bigger and tougher guy but he still stood up to him even though he got pummelled. Fisher can fight so I wouldn't put Kelly and Fisher in the same light.
Kelly is a defensive specialist and Hamel is an offensive specialist. Hamel was never given a decent opportunity at the NHL level with goal scorers and playmakers. They perform different roles and should not be compared to each other.

However, I expect that the Sens could reunite the Bingo line of Kelly LW - Vermette C - Hamel RW which did very well in Bingo a few years ago as there 4th line giving them a defensive presence with offensive capabilities.

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09-04-2006, 04:27 PM
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Just to get some consensus on him.

Where do you see him in two years?
Can he score 50-60 points in the NHL?*
Would he be better served by switching poistion?
Has he peaked?
Management has a lot of faith in him...do you share it?
- 3rd line centre
- Yes (not as a 3rd line center though). With his heads up playmaking, he could succeed (temporarily) in a 2nd line role for a couple of years in his prime.
- No. He's very good defensively as a center and doesn't have good offensive skills... imagine moving a light-hitting, Gold-Glove winning SS to 1B --> wouldn't happen!
- No he hasn't peaked. He's been in the league for a year.
- Yes. Chris Kelly is an extremely smart player who will have a long career adapting to every role the coaching staff wishes to give him.

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What limits his output (what is his most galring weakness)?
Should his role be minimized or expanded?
What are his ideal linemates?
How then would he compare to Bonk while he played with Hossa?
- His lack of physical tools. He's not big, not fast and doesn't have a great shot.
- He should be a 3rd liner in the NHL. It should be expanded.
- Kelly will probably be used to make up for the faults of others on a line, not vice-versa. That said, he should obviously have more of a shoot-first player (or two) on his line. As Kelly is a better playmaker than finisher.
- Bonk was bigger and had more potential (which was never fulfilled), otherwise... Chris Kelly is quite capable of achieving everything Radek Bonk did.

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You can't compare Kelly to Bonk, Bonk was a former #1 draft choice for this team. He had several 50 point seasons unfortunately we wanted him to be a 1st line centre when all he was at best was a 2nd line centre and most recentlt a shut down 3rd line centre with inconsistent offensive potential.
Radek Bonk has 3rd line quality offensive skills. He was expected to use his body and he didn't. He could score on a one-handed (fighting off the defender with the other) "Bertuzzi" and score goals in front of the net... but wouldn't do either consistently as the intensity and willingness to pay the price was non-existent.
So Radek Bonk succeeded largely as a 2nd tier playmaking center. Why?... Because he made simple passes to an elite player capable of doing everything himself (Chris Kelly could do that).

I think "drive, intelligence, tools (physical attributes) and skills (the ability to turn those attributes into something productive)" sums up all the dimensions that make or break a player. A player can make up for deficiencies in physical abilities with drive and intelligence. Indeed, arguably the greatest player to ever player the game did just that.

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09-05-2006, 10:05 AM
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Dont give me that, Hamel has 3 times more talent in his pinky finger that Kelly will ever have. He was the only reason people came to see that pathetic team we had in Bingo last year
This is just an ignorant posting. Hamel is obviously a very talented offensive player but you cannot compare Chris Kelly to Denis Hamel. They are two totally different players, Chris Kelly's role has mainly been defensive in the NHL. The biggest difference between the two is that Chris Kelly has heart and character, Hamel doesn't have either. Any player that has ever played with the two will tell you that.

A lot of people forget Kelly's offensive numbers throughout the OHL and AHL. He has always put up fairly good numbers. His first season in the NHL he scored 30 points and didn't have a lot of ice time, that is pretty impressive. I don't understand how people can say he has no offensive ability. Sure he did miss some opportunities in last years playoffs playing with Spezza and Heatley, but that was a lot of pressure and NO ONE was producing. I don't think he will score 60 points a season but a consistent 40-50 is expected.

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09-05-2006, 06:01 PM
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We have fans of this team post here that Vermette has top 6 potential. Above is an argument for Chris Kelly being a consistent 40 point scorer. We know that Hamel consistently had the most points when playing with both Kelly and Vermette in Bingo and last year had 56 goals. So why wouldn't we put them together for our 4th line, a line that plays very well defensively but can also contribute offensively. We have the potential to turn over 4 lines just like Buffalo did against us and we know these three have chemistry with each other they proved it in Bingo. Vermette and Kelly have yet to prove they have any kind of chemistry with anyone else on this team besides each other and Hamel.

McAmmond - Spezza - Heatley - these two need an experienced defensive guy.
Eaves - Kaigorodov - Alfredson - I think this will also be a very good line.
Schaefer - Fisher - Neil - hopefully this line out does last years totals.
Kelly - Vermette - Hamel / Gratts - IMO Vermette is a better centre than Kelly and Gratts will play against tough teams and when injuries occur.

Redden - Corvo - hopefully Corvo will learn to play better defensively & protect Reds
Phillips - Preissing - I like this tandem and can see them doing well together.
Volchenkov - Meszaros - A-Train, Phillips or Schubert could get moved before the start of the season to get this roster down to 21 players.

Gerber - Emery - I expect these two to play very well for us this year.

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09-05-2006, 07:31 PM
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We have fans of this team post here that Vermette has top 6 potential. Above is an argument for Chris Kelly being a consistent 40 point scorer. We know that Hamel consistently had the most points when playing with both Kelly and Vermette in Bingo and last year had 56 goals. So why wouldn't we put them together for our 4th line, a line that plays very well defensively but can also contribute offensively. We have the potential to turn over 4 lines just like Buffalo did against us and we know these three have chemistry with each other they proved it in Bingo. Vermette and Kelly have yet to prove they have any kind of chemistry with anyone else on this team besides each other and Hamel.

McAmmond - Spezza - Heatley - these two need an experienced defensive guy.
Eaves - Kaigorodov - Alfredson - I think this will also be a very good line.
Schaefer - Fisher - Neil - hopefully this line out does last years totals.
Kelly - Vermette - Hamel / Gratts - IMO Vermette is a better centre than Kelly and Gratts will play against tough teams and when injuries occur.

Redden - Corvo - hopefully Corvo will learn to play better defensively & protect Reds
Phillips - Preissing - I like this tandem and can see them doing well together.
Volchenkov - Meszaros - A-Train, Phillips or Schubert could get moved before the start of the season to get this roster down to 21 players.

Gerber - Emery - I expect these two to play very well for us this year.
That's a very interesting point about Kelly-Vermette-Hamel. Maybe we'll see it in the pre-season.

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09-05-2006, 07:38 PM
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I think Kelly's offensive skills are severely under rated by many Sens fans. When you consider that Kelly scored 30 points in a strictly defensive role, that's pretty decent. Part of the problem in Ottawa is that the Sens are so deep at forward, what do you do with someone like Kelly? When he played on the wing with Heatley and Spezza, he didn't look out of place at all. He's a more than competent player and does have a decent skill set. If he played consistently with Heatley and Spezza, he could easily get 60 points in a season.

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09-05-2006, 08:25 PM
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[QUOTE=BobbyClarkeFan16;6430273When he played on the wing with Heatley and Spezza, he didn't look out of place at all. He's a more than competent player and does have a decent skill set. If he played consistently with Heatley and Spezza, he could easily get 60 points in a season.[/QUOTE]

He did look out of place with Heatley and Spezza. Playing him on the first line does no favours to anyone,least of all Kelly.

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09-05-2006, 08:37 PM
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Kelly is a good hockey player. He may be a wiesel, but he gets the job done. I cant see him being more then a third line center, although he could surprise everyone. Id like to see the Kelly - Vermette - Hamel line, but we kind of need Vermette to step up on our second line.

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09-05-2006, 09:15 PM
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Chris Kelly IMO is a carbon copy of Shawn Van Allan,
He's not really that similar at all, other than the fact he is a defensive fourth-liner for the Sens and is somewhat ugly.

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09-05-2006, 09:44 PM
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He did look out of place with Heatley and Spezza. Playing him on the first line does no favours to anyone,least of all Kelly.
In the games I saw him play with Heatley and Spezza, he didn't look like he was out of place.

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