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2013 NHL Entry Draft Thread | "Don't Be A Moran, Draft Monahan"

View Poll Results: Who Would You Draft Of These Options?
Sean Monahan 141 52.61%
Elias Lindholm 26 9.70%
Valeri Nischushkin 34 12.69%
Darnell Nurse 45 16.79%
Rasmus Ristolainen 8 2.99%
Curtis Lazar 14 5.22%
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04-20-2013, 03:24 AM
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Man I get chills down my spine watching him man the point on the PP there - reminds me of Pronger when he was on our blue line.

Kid's got a big body, but there are noticeable differences between him and someone like Seth Jones.

1) He's a bit less physically mature. Jones is a well-formed athlete (6'4, 205+), while Nurse is still a bit skinny for his 6'5 frame (~190lb).

2) Nurse has good mobility for his size (Pietrangelo/Hamilton), but Jones has that elite-level mobility we've seen in recent top prospects (Subban/EJ/Myers). Nurse has some impressive mobility though. Wouldn't be surprised to see him reign it in to be a "mobile" big man like Weber, etc

3) In terms of puck handling, Jones is on a Karlsson/Subban level, he's a guy who could easily take players 1on1 like Karlsson/Boyle/Subban. Scary because of his frame. I don't see the same forward-esque puck handling ability in Nurse, but it's not necessarily a must-have. He's capable of protecting it using his body and positioning - not a worry for him in the future.

4) In terms of actual shooting ability - Jones has him here AINEC. Jones has that Subban/Karlsson range shot - absolute blister of a slapshot that can send the water bottle skyrocketing. Nurse is a bit like Justin Schultz with a dependency on his wrist shot. His slap shots are often low to the ground and without much velocity. If he improves this he can become a much more dynamic player offensively.

5) PP QBing ability with these two players is quite similar. Both display great vision, puck-handling, and poise on the point. Obviously Jones' shot is on another level and adds another dimension, but in terms of ability to evade pressure and make the quick play, both defensemen are more-than capable.

Over the past few years drafts have featured "slam-dunk" defensive prospects that go top-3 with "great" guys behind them with not-so-flashy, underdeveloped games that are taken later on. Some of these guys have equal or even better careers to the "slam dunk" ones.

eg) "Slam Dunk" - Erik Johnson, Drew Doughty, Adam Larsson, Victor Hedman

"Great" - Alex Pietrangelo, Dougie Hamilton, OEL

Jones fits the "slam dunk" description. Nurse definitely fits into that "great" category. He doesn't really have a single major deficiency in his game, and nothing really stands out as a "ridiculous" talent.

He's got 1-2 years more to develop IMO but I feel he breaks into the league at 19-20 as one of those quick developers that skyrockets to elite status within 1-2 years. This is the guy I'd target in the draft - not Barkov.

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For those suggesting Gormely for the Oilers first I wonder if it really is the case that he is close to being NHL ready.

I have to confess to not seeing him play in the AHL this year (perhaps once but I can;t really rememebr). Statistically he was solid in terms of his offensive output with 5 goals and 29 points. However he was -9. Of course +/- is a very crude stat, but in this case you have to note that this was the worst of the Pirates dmen with the majority being + players.

By comparison Martin Marincin had 6 goals and 28 points but was +21. (OKC and Portland had roughly the same records). Watching Marincin over the course of the year in OKC I have been very pleased with his game. But how many of us here would see him as being ready to make the next step.

As I said, given that +/- is such a crude measure it would be nice to have a better sense of how well Gormley, a kid that I like an awful lot, has adjusted to the pro game before even thinking about a deal involving the Oilers #1.

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Nikita Zadorov
Sasha Barkov
Valery Nichushkin

Are all gonna be good Russian Pro players.

I'd like to see the Oil draft one of them or Nurse if available.

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Barkov isnt Russian.

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Barkov isnt Russian.
Close enough. His old man is Russian and was a Russian pro player.

He also has Russian citizenship.

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Barkov isnt Russian.
Russian ethnicity, Finnish nationality.

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Close enough. His old man is Russian and was a Russian pro player.

He also has Russian citizenship.
Born and raised in Finland.

Also doesnt his shoulder surgery and projected 5mth rehab concern you?

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Born and raised in Finland.

Also doesnt his shoulder surgery and projected 5mth rehab concern you?
He's still Russian. As Canovin said already; he's of Russian ethnicity and a Finnish National.

So... pending on what country you're born in.. changes your ethnicity?

It does concern me, but with his size, skill and compete.. if he's available, why not. Most player recover from that type of surgery especially this day and age and his youth.

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Born and raised in Finland.

Also doesnt his shoulder surgery and projected 5mth rehab concern you?
He could do shoulder rehab with the rest of the Oilers. It would be a great bonding experience.

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He's still Russian. As Canovin said already; he's of Russian ethnicity and a Finnish National.

So... pending on what country you're born in.. changes your ethnicity?

It does concern me, but with his size, skill and compete.. if he's available, why not. Most player recover from that type of surgery especially this day and age and his youth.
Im born and raised in Canada.

If asked, Im Canadian. Not whatever my ethnicity is.

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He could do shoulder rehab with the rest of the Oilers. It would be a great bonding experience.


That being said, I'd rather see Valery Nichushkin will be gone when the Oil draft, or Nikita Zadorov which should still be available. Zadorov in my opinion might be slightly underrated. Looks like a solid Russian defenseman and more realistic for the Oil to draft him.

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Im born and raised in Canada.

If asked, Im Canadian. Not whatever my ethnicity is.
So..

Canadian has nothing to do with your ethnicity.

I'm Canadian too. ;P

I'm still proud of my ethnicity and my Nationality.

What if I ask what your ethnicity is? Its not rude. I've been asked numerous times and I have not once been uncomfortable with sharing. Its a fact. I don't see why you feel you need to fight this? Lol The fact is; Nationality doesn't necessarily determine your ethnicity.

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Canadian has nothing to do with your ethnicity.

I'm Canadian too. ;P

I'm still proud of my ethnicity and my Nationality.
I get that, but do if you are traveling and someone asks you, do you tell them you are Canadian?

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I get that, but do if you are traveling and someone asks you, do you tell them you are Canadian?
If they ask what country I'm from, of course.

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If they ask what country I'm from, of course.
If they ask "Are you Canadian?" what do you say?

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If they ask "Are you Canadian?" what do you say?
They're not asking what my ethnicity is still but what my nationality is. So yes, of course I would respond with yes.

If they were to ask if I was Irish, then I'd have to say no, keep guessing.

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Born and raised in Finland.

Also doesnt his shoulder surgery and projected 5mth rehab concern you?
Apparently recent reports are that it'll be a lot shorter rehab than that.

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Also doesnt his shoulder surgery and projected 5mth rehab concern you?
It would be a concern, but that concern could be eliminated/mitigated by the time of the draft, depending on his progress from now until then. If for some reason his injury wasn't healing as expected then that could hurt his pre-draft rankings, but if it's coming along just fine I'm not sure it would - some of the uncertainty could be gone by the draft.

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It would be a concern, but that concern could be eliminated/mitigated by the time of the draft, depending on his progress from now until then. If for some reason his injury wasn't healing as expected then that could hurt his pre-draft rankings, but if it's coming along just fine I'm not sure it would - some of the uncertainty could be gone by the draft.
http://yle.fi/urheilu/aleksander_bar...alussa/6561677

Straight from his doctors mouth the injury isn't serious. It's typical shoulder injury. He will stay out of the action for rest of the spring but is able to return in practices at the beginning of summer. After that there is offseason and no games. It is pretty minor injury despite needing surgery.

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He looks impressive, though whoever did the "highlight" package didn't understand what they were doing, would been nice to see him hit more then once and some of that nastiness, instead of 3 or 4 more rebound goals from other players, lol

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Oilers need Barkov, he and Yakupov could form "Barkupov"

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with the win last night, all this talk of barkov is kinda pointless as he'll be long gone by the time we draft.... we draft 8th overall right now, which will hopefully land us one of monahan/lindholm/nurse

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with the win last night, all this talk of barkov is kinda pointless as he'll be long gone by the time we draft.... we draft 8th overall right now, which will hopefully land us one of monahan/lindholm/nurse
We can still finish 5th overall because of our schedule.


1.Florida-Seth Jones
2.Colorado-Nathan Mackinnon
3.Nashville-Jonathan Drouin
4.Carolina-Valeri Nichushkin
5.Edmonton-Aleksander Barkov

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