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04-20-2013, 03:19 PM
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Are regular buyouts still allowed? I'd guess so.

We could use a compliance on, say, Belanger, and then buy out Eager normally (I don't see Smyth getting one, I think he's around next year on the 4th line)
It's a bigger caphit if we buyout Eager than if we bury him in the minors

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compliance buyouts are for players that have a salary or 3mil plus so players like eager, belanger and smyth don`t apply

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Players like Clowe and Horton are not going to sign in EDM, plus Clowe is going to want a crazy contract, I am not interested in Clowe. Horton will stay out east as that is where his family will be.

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I'd prefer more subtle changes, keeping the core.

First I'd like to see the Oilers get creative with the compliance buyouts:
Smyth and Belanger for Upshaw. Compliance buyout Upshaw.
Horcoff for Liles. Both teams compliance buyout each player (Toronto save a little $ on the buyout). Sign Horcoff for $2.75.

We need to keep our fab 5.
Trade up with our or ANA's 2nd rounder (depending where we finish) into the top 3 and draft Barkov. Keep Barkov in Finland for a year unless he beats out Gagner for the #2 C slot in camp. He'll replace Gagner as the #2 C next year.
Sign bigger wingers still on the upswing of their career. Bickell for $2.5 and Stalberg for $2.5
Sign and PP/puck moving D such as Streit for $5M per.
Resign Fistric or similar hard hitting D for about $1.25.
Trade Hemsky for a gritty 3rd/4th line PK/faceoff specialist. Fiddler.
Sign 4th line LW/PK specialist. Preferably and upgrade on Petrell.
Sign 13th forward, tough guy. Volpotti?
Sign veteran backup goalie. Garon for $700.

Hall - RNH - Eberle
Bickell - Gagner - Yakupov
Stalberg - Horcoff - Paarjavi
Petrell upgrade - Fiddler - Brown
Tough guy (Volpotti?)

Streit - J.Schultz
Smid - Petry
N.Schultz - Fistric
Potter

Dubnyk
Garon

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04-20-2013, 03:57 PM
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Paajarvi has turned the corner this season. I can't believe it myself. He has big body net front presence with good hands and vision. Worth keeping.

Gagner has turned the corner this season. It will be tough filling the void he'd leave at center if traded offensively and TOI. For example, he led all Oiler forwards in TOI vs COL last night.

Grabbing Monahan would make for a excellent core down the middle:
Hopkins
Gagner
Monahan

The blueline could use another minute cruncher. Klefbom is coming (and will arrive quite quickly). But for next season, I would realistically target Andrew Ference in the UFA market, and possibly Robyn Regehr.

The bottom six forwards could use some more size and bite. In addition to possibly Monahan, there are Moroz, Zharkov, and Khaira for the future. For immediate help, I would realistically target Bryan Bickell in the UFA market, and possibly Raffi Torres.

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Bickell/Torres-Horcoff/Monahan-Harti
Pettrell-Lander/Smithson-Brown

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Ference/Regehr-Schultz
Schultz-Fistric/Klefbom
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04-20-2013, 04:06 PM
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Paajarvi has turned the corner this season. I can't believe it myself. He has big body net front presence with good hands and vision. Worth keeping.

Gagner has turned the corner this season. It will be tough filling the void he'd leave at center if traded offensively and TOI. For example, he led all Oiler forwards in TOI vs COL last night.

Grabbing Monahan would make for a excellent core down the middle:
Hopkins
Gagner
Monahan

The blueline could use another minute cruncher. Klefbom is coming (and will arrive quite quickly). But for next season, I would realistically target Andrew Ference in the UFA market, and possibly Robyn Regehr.

The bottom six forwards could use some more size and bite. In addition to possibly Monahan, there are Moroz, Zharkov, and Khaira for the future. For immediate help, I would realistically target Bryan Bickell in the UFA market, and possibly Raffi Torres.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
PRV-Gagner-Yaks
Bickell/Torres-Horcoff/Monahan-Harti
Pettrell-Lander/Smithson-Brown

Smid-Petry
Ference/Regehr-Schultz
Schultz-Fistric/Klefbom
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Yeah, this team isn't making the playoffs.

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04-20-2013, 04:11 PM
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Cleary MacT will be making lots of moves. Guys like Petrell & Smithson are as good as gone

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I got a kick of out seeing Tambo in the last Oil Change episode at the trade deadline. Being so satisfied with adding Smithson. Feeling of self-satisfaction after the deadline.

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04-20-2013, 04:29 PM
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Yeah, this team isn't making the playoffs.
Factor in continued development of the young core. Inevitably they will take another step next season and another one after that, similar to how they've done this season (RNH/Eberle road bumps not withstanding).

For instance, J.Schultz should be close to all-star levels next season. He needed a year to adjust from the college schedule, which has been his reality for the last three years.

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Factor in continued development of the young core. Inevitably they will take another step next season and another one after that, similar to how they've done this season (RNH/Eberle road bumps not withstanding).

For instance, J.Schultz should be close to all-star levels next season. He needed a year to adjust from the college schedule, which has been his reality for the last three years.
RNH getting in the weight room and really focusing on that is the biggest thing for the team.

If he had played as well as he did as a rookie for us this year, we'd be in the playoffs IMO.

Hopefully both Schultz and Yakupov can bring more to the table next year, but I'm expecting Hall/RNH/Eberle to bring it next season.

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04-20-2013, 04:41 PM
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Paajarvi has turned the corner this season. I can't believe it myself. He has big body net front presence with good hands and vision. Worth keeping.

Gagner has turned the corner this season. It will be tough filling the void he'd leave at center if traded offensively and TOI. For example, he led all Oiler forwards in TOI vs COL last night.

Grabbing Monahan would make for a excellent core down the middle:
Hopkins
Gagner
Monahan

The blueline could use another minute cruncher. Klefbom is coming (and will arrive quite quickly). But for next season, I would realistically target Andrew Ference in the UFA market, and possibly Robyn Regehr.

The bottom six forwards could use some more size and bite. In addition to possibly Monahan, there are Moroz, Zharkov, and Khaira for the future. For immediate help, I would realistically target Bryan Bickell in the UFA market, and possibly Raffi Torres.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
PRV-Gagner-Yaks
Bickell/Torres-Horcoff/Monahan-Harti
Pettrell-Lander/Smithson-Brown

Smid-Petry
Ference/Regehr-Schultz
Schultz-Fistric/Klefbom
Potter

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Not going to work. You can't just change up a couple of bottom six players and expect to make a large difference.

If we're going to keep Gagner, we need that Lucic type to offset, at the very least. If Gagner is traded, we need another C but probably doesn't need to have his offense if we're using 2 of the 4 kids on each line.
Although better this year, PRV is still not a top 6. He needs more time on the 3rd and hope he continues upward. That means we still need another top 6 player with some size/strength...
I like Bickell and it would be nice to sign him for the bottom 6.
I think we need to buy out Horcoff to give us $$ room to add another top 6 player.

Not sure what to do about D if MacT can't make a good deal with the assets he has outside the core (Hall, RNH, Ebs, Yak, Schultz, Smid, Petry). I like Petry and Smid but neither is a top 2. We need that top 2 trade and then perhaps Schultz to continue his great play from the beginning of the season.
Sign Fistric and another tough defenceman.

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04-20-2013, 04:54 PM
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compliance buyouts are for players that have a salary or 3mil plus so players like eager, belanger and smyth don`t apply
Oh yeah! Thank you for correcting me, I totally forgot that rule.

So yeah, all of these buyouts would have to be normal ones.

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04-20-2013, 04:55 PM
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Is Torres a UFA this offseason? Bring him back please.

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04-20-2013, 05:31 PM
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RNH getting in the weight room and really focusing on that is the biggest thing for the team.

If he had played as well as he did as a rookie for us this year, we'd be in the playoffs IMO.

Hopefully both Schultz and Yakupov can bring more to the table next year, but I'm expecting Hall/RNH/Eberle to bring it next season.
Exactly. It's a game of men. Boys take time and will have their ups and downs. A group of boys as the core requires immense patience.

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04-20-2013, 05:48 PM
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Even though Howson is no longer the Bluejackets' GM, I still think a Hemsky to Columbus deal makes a lot of sense for both sides (depending on the return, of course).

They just added Gaborik, but are still weak on the right side, and currently operate the league's worst powerplay. Hemsky gives them a RH shot and a valuable powerplay asset at RW.

Dubinsky, Umberger, Foligno, and Prospal are all LWs (though Umberger seems to play all 3F positions at times with the BJs). Plus, MacKenzie plays LW from time to time even though he's a center. Prospal is a UFA, but I think they'll bring him back for one more season. They also have a fair amount of defensive depth and will be adding Murray to it next season.

What the actual trade would look like? I have no idea, but Hemsky for one of their LWs would seem like a good place to start. Umberger seems like the most likely candidate from a CBJ perspective, but I'd have to think anybody trading for him will only do so if the Jackets retain some of the salary. I could even see both sides retaining salary. Works out to a wash next year, but with the Umberger contract extending to the 2017 offseason, there's a lot more risk that comes with RJ than Hemsky.

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The Oilers need to make moves but they also need to watch how they spend. Long term contracts with big money are going to kill this team. No Hossa, Huet, or Campbell contracts that will derail our depth, or a piece of the core in the future. MacTavish needs to imagine how much our core will be making when they're off the ELC's and spend around it. For example.. Eberle (6), Hall (6), RNH (6), Yakupov (6), Schultz (5), '13 pick (5).. 34M right there. The cap next season is 64.3M, so you can have 30-40M committed to the rest of the roster..

One player I hope the Oilers go after is Anton Khudobin. He's been fantastic in Boston this season and would push Dubnyk. He could even potentially take over as our #1 if he kept his play up.

Also I'm sure there are going to be plenty of buyouts this off-season. Players like Laich, Umberger, Franzen are all potential buyouts that would be great additions.

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Even though Howson is no longer the Bluejackets' GM, I still think a Hemsky to Columbus deal makes a lot of sense for both sides (depending on the return, of course).

They just added Gaborik, but are still weak on the right side, and currently operate the league's worst powerplay. Hemsky gives them a RH shot and a valuable powerplay asset at RW.

Dubinsky, Umberger, Foligno, and Prospal are all LWs (though Umberger seems to play all 3F positions at times with the BJs). Plus, MacKenzie plays LW from time to time even though he's a center. Prospal is a UFA, but I think they'll bring him back for one more season. They also have a fair amount of defensive depth and will be adding Murray to it next season.

What the actual trade would look like? I have no idea, but Hemsky for one of their LWs would seem like a good place to start. Umberger seems like the most likely candidate from a CBJ perspective, but I'd have to think anybody trading for him will only do so if the Jackets retain some of the salary. I could even see both sides retaining salary. Works out to a wash next year, but with the Umberger contract extending to the 2017 offseason, there's a lot more risk that comes with RJ than Hemsky.
Nikita Nikitin would be someone I think the Oilers would be interested in. With Ryan Murray coming up next year they probably need to make room on their back end anyway.

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What do people think of our 1st and N. Schultz to Winnipeg for Byfuglien and Klingberg? Would you do the deal?

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RNH getting in the weight room and really focusing on that is the biggest thing for the team.

If he had played as well as he did as a rookie for us this year, we'd be in the playoffs IMO.

Hopefully both Schultz and Yakupov can bring more to the table next year, but I'm expecting Hall/RNH/Eberle to bring it next season.
i think RNH has actually been a better player this year, he just isn't getting puck luck, nor was one of his primary linemates (eberle)... RNH now is an all-around better player than he was last year, without question actually

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compliance buyouts are for players that have a salary or 3mil plus so players like eager, belanger and smyth don`t apply
can you provide a link for this? i've looked a few times now, and have yet to find anything that actually says this... i've seen it mentioned on the boards a few times, but i can't actually find this rule anywhere... which makes me think that there is NOT a salary minimum to buyouts

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Could we use our compliance buy out to help out a team that wants to get rid of an undesirable contract?

Wisniewski from Columbus say?

Wisniewski + Nikitin for Hemsky + Peckham, then we amnesty Wis and keep Nikitin say.

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you can only compliance contracts you possessed pre lockout

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can you provide a link for this? i've looked a few times now, and have yet to find anything that actually says this... i've seen it mentioned on the boards a few times, but i can't actually find this rule anywhere... which makes me think that there is NOT a salary minimum to buyouts
I wasn't able to find it either, and what I could find tended to have "free use compliance buyouts" attached to it.

The actual "3 million minimum salary" buyout thing is specifically from the accelerated buyouts, where the league and the NHLPA wanted to isolate who could use them this year to a few select instances. Nothing I can find implies that it carries over to the next two summers.

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I'm sure he's the LAST guy the Jets would trade, but could you imagine how much good Andrew Ladd could do for this team? Big LWer that isnt afraid to go to the net, will score you 30 goals a year doing it, and a veteran leader that's won a cup. Jets are sorely missing an offensive centerman. I'd love if we could get Ladd for Gagner+ if we were able to get a #2 center stopgap

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The more it is discussed on the Trades forum the more I like Klefbom for Laughton... Flyers fans feel it is fair and they have the C depth to make it happen (Giroux Schenn Couturier)... they need a young LD though

Klefbom meanwhile is our one bluechip D prospect sure but he is LD and probably does not begin to touch his potential before three years from now... Laughton could be a 3C next year with potential for much more

This also gives us more options with our pick... we could trade it for help today... especially on the blueline... say Hemsky + EDM 1st for Yandle + Moss

Sign a UFA LW...

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Clowe-Gagner-Yakupov
Paajarvi-Laughton-Moss
Petrell-UFA-Brown
Belanger Smyth

Smid-Petry
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