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04-21-2013, 01:24 AM
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What tells you they are were cheering for the Habs?
Professor X got in Bourque's head (nothing else can make someone miss so many passes and shots) while Magneto bent the post inwards on Diaz's shot. Bryan Singer realized what a real end of a second act should look like - utter disaster for the heroes.

I wonder if Wolverine knew they were in the house. Didn't seem like it.

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For the last 20 games or the first 20.
last 20, that's my point, that you can coach your way towards success after sucking so hard. MT seems to be doing the opposite, but now he has a practice to fix EVERYTHING.

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Isn't Carbo's daughter married to Brendan Morrow?
And brings Morrow up a lot, like on AC after the Pitt game. Talked about his "gendre". He's a big Morrow fan, possibly more than Anne-Marie.

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Price was fine after Pittsburgh game. Forget about the playoffs were going nowhere, call me pessimistic but its the truth.
No he wasn't. Everything went downhill after that game.

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So many of you just can't see past the losses and, yes, the infuriating way in which they have been losing.

But here's the reality: consecutive blowouts AREN'T normal! Did you ever take the time to consider that these are not normal losses and thus it would be irrational to make SWEEPING conclusions about ONE GUY - Price - based on these ABNORMAL circumstances???

Has there been a team in last two decades to get blown out 10 games in a row? Because that's what many of you are acting like. I just hope the Habs players don't have the same mentality.

Many will look jealously to Reimer because all they want are wins. They FORGET that there is no way that he can do that consistently, and it would be EQUALLY as foolish to base his performance of his recent performances.

So the Habs perform well for 40 games or so, and now that it's apparently falling apart, NOW is the time that many people decide to put their foot down and make decisions concerning players' fates? Give me a break.
You're suggesting that statistically we are actually reducing our chances of being blownout each game...by being blownout as long as it stops at 10? These haven't been flukey blowouts. These have been conclusive f'in blowouts. I think most of us went numb a blowout or two ago and we just watch the trainwreck to see how bad it's gonna be.

The way we are playing now became the way this team is defined at least 2 games ago (and don't think that the loss to Toronto was when the wheels started falling off, the nuts and bolts were unscrewing a few games before that, but we thought bounceback would happen).

I am a Price fanboy, but he has succcked. Initially I said he's just got to go through this, but now I'm legitimately worried. There's a tipping point and we've crossed it. It's totally fixable, but please, it's not like Patches and DD have been ripping it up this season (at ANY point). Max gets points here and there, but he is not the same guy as last year and obviously DD isn't either. As for the others, what they lack is a plan and execution. Our system is broken because other teams adapt. What would a good coach do? Adapt. Survival of the fittest, or in other words, the teams that can evolve (please note that I am firmly aware that mutation is random and natural selection is not, common misconception...but in the sports metaphor world)

Our D THIS game was more about team D. That and oddly PK and Gorges had bad games. Odd because PK doesn't have them. Gorges is making a habit out of them. He also makes a habit of giving the media heavy hearted quotes about how much we suck with the tone that it's everyone, but him who's trying hard.

I can't believe how hard it is to score on this stagnant, gain the zone for 15 secs, just wait with the puck before coughing it up PP, while the other team waltz in, set up and have a man WIDE open for an easy cross crease tip in or a shot through a screen (some of those on Price/Budaj).

Positives are that Diaz looked great apart from the rust (he'll shake it off and he made some very good plays offensively and defensively), LJV was still good and the kid line was awesome.

Price has to turn it around. I would usually say "...and he will", but now, I just hope that he does and makes this week look like drama before an amazing playoff run.

Cannot believe there are only 3 games left...

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04-21-2013, 01:59 AM
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Agree with this, although Price is part of the defence and has to be better.

You see it on the 1st goal though. Pleks fumbles the risky pass from PK and then Pleks let's OV skate by him with the puck and it's in the back of the net. Risky pass (PK) + poor effort (Pleks) and Price doesn't bail them out.

2nd goal though, everyone is in position and it's a weak shot that Price has to come up with. No question. Goalies face those types of shots multiple times every game, and already down 1 - 0 he has to make a save there.

3rd goal made me laugh. Like watching a tyke game where everyone is either mesmerized by the puck or blindly chasing after. Gorges really shouldn't have gone into the corner to help Bouillion, but ok he did and could have cleared it had he cleanly won the puck battle. But why on earth Halpern went into the corner when Bourque was covering the front of the net leaving the entire slot to the opposing left D wide open is beyond me. If Halpern recognizes that he needs to cover for Bourque who is covering for Gorges then Brouwer doesn't come in late and get the shot off. Yeah of course a save would have been nice, but I doubt the coaching staff is gonna pat them on the back for a great job defensively on that play. But it's a domino effect when one guy drifts out of position, either teammates cover or they don't.

Two pp goals are what they are, but the 1st 3 goals you can pin on turnovers, poor coverage, and goaltending. They need to clean up in zone.

Very good analysis of those goals IMO. When I saw the replay of the third goal, I laughed a bit at our "swarm" and how it was Bourque in front of Price (partial screen actually) who tried to block it with the wrong f'ing foot. That was cute.

There were very few people who walk away from today's game without doing something wrong.
Gally missed at least 2 sure goals (I'm being hard on him because at some point, if it's Gio who did that, I'd be very mad too), Eller was great but I think on the 2nd goal, it was his bad coverage up top that...didn't help. Only Chucky I think. And Budaj. And Gerard Gallant's CIA earpiece/cufflink.

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Therrien seems to be able to get a team going, but can't adjust when they hit a wall. It's very worrysome that he won't be bold enough to sit people who are underperforming and/or make major changes to the lineup. As much as this season is looking to be going down the porcelain convenience, believe it or not it's still salvagable. Here's what MT could do to at least Band-aid the soft defence (Which IMHO is the most immediate problem and biggest reason we've sucked since losing Emelin/Clinching)

1)Call up both Tinordi and Pateryn
2)Demote Gorges back to a comfortable role and TOI
3)Remove Weber because he's redundant (It's harsh but that's the Pros)
4)Go with the hot hand up front and lessen DD's TOI, increase Galch's

Tinordi-Subban
Markov-Diaz
Gorges-Pateryn

That defence is way more gritty than what we have now (if that means anything) plus we don't lose our offense from the point. I would even consider Pateryn with Markov and have Gorges stay at home for Diaz. All in all, the issues with the habs won't be fixed because we can't sign or trade anyone right now, but they can be lessened . The only question is if MT will be bold enough to sit Boullion and Weber for two rookies. We need to look at style/role first before senority, it's the only way to improve and solidify the team. And if Tinordi and Pateryn don't work out, at least it was tried. There's no way the current Defence will work. No way.

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04-21-2013, 05:38 AM
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I leave the forum for 3 days and all hell breaks lose... Can't wait for the Habs to prove you guys wrong in the playoffs.

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04-21-2013, 05:53 AM
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Therrien seems to be able to get a team going, but can't adjust when they hit a wall. It's very worrysome that he won't be bold enough to sit people who are underperforming and/or make major changes to the lineup. As much as this season is looking to be going down the porcelain convenience, believe it or not it's still salvagable. Here's what MT could do to at least Band-aid the soft defence (Which IMHO is the most immediate problem and biggest reason we've sucked since losing Emelin/Clinching)

1)Call up both Tinordi and Pateryn
2)Demote Gorges back to a comfortable role and TOI
3)Remove Weber because he's redundant (It's harsh but that's the Pros)
4)Go with the hot hand up front and lessen DD's TOI, increase Galch's


Tinordi-Subban
Markov-Diaz
Gorges-Pateryn

That defence is way more gritty than what we have now (if that means anything) plus we don't lose our offense from the point. I would even consider Pateryn with Markov and have Gorges stay at home for Diaz. All in all, the issues with the habs won't be fixed because we can't sign or trade anyone right now, but they can be lessened . The only question is if MT will be bold enough to sit Boullion and Weber for two rookies. We need to look at style/role first before senority, it's the only way to improve and solidify the team. And if Tinordi and Pateryn don't work out, at least it was tried. There's no way the current Defence will work. No way.
problem with #2 anbd #3 is, Gorges is the closest thing we have to a shutdown D, without him we're pretty much running with only PMDs, and as for Weber, he is far from our worst D.

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Is it possible, and I'm just throwing this out there, but is it possible that they are, er, aiming for a specific finishing spot, to say, meet a specific team...??(or avoid one in particular)...???

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Therrien seems to be able to get a team going, but can't adjust when they hit a wall. It's very worrysome that he won't be bold enough to sit people who are underperforming and/or make major changes to the lineup. As much as this season is looking to be going down the porcelain convenience, believe it or not it's still salvagable. Here's what MT could do to at least Band-aid the soft defence (Which IMHO is the most immediate problem and biggest reason we've sucked since losing Emelin/Clinching)

1)Call up both Tinordi and Pateryn
2)Demote Gorges back to a comfortable role and TOI
3)Remove Weber because he's redundant (It's harsh but that's the Pros)
4)Go with the hot hand up front and lessen DD's TOI, increase Galch's

Tinordi-Subban
Markov-Diaz
Gorges-Pateryn

That defence is way more gritty than what we have now (if that means anything) plus we don't lose our offense from the point. I would even consider Pateryn with Markov and have Gorges stay at home for Diaz. All in all, the issues with the habs won't be fixed because we can't sign or trade anyone right now, but they can be lessened . The only question is if MT will be bold enough to sit Boullion and Weber for two rookies. We need to look at style/role first before senority, it's the only way to improve and solidify the team. And if Tinordi and Pateryn don't work out, at least it was tried. There's no way the current Defence will work. No way.
I agree with #1 & #4. But no way Tinordi is ready for top pairing. Pateryn would be insurance. Drewiske is much better suited for 3rd pair right now. Actually put DD with Tinordi on 3rd pair.

As for dd (desharnais), definately cut down his icetgime and put in Eller's line. They have a much higher compete level. Id take an error from a guy trying too hard better than an error from someone trying to cut corners. Heck, cut some of Plek's time down to about 18mins from his usual 20. He just looks tired.


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I hope they push it deep too

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I leave the forum for 3 days and all hell breaks lose... Can't wait for the Habs to prove you guys wrong in the playoffs.
Yeah. It's fairly likely too as all they have to do to prove some of these guys wrong is to win one playoff game...

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Is it possible, and I'm just throwing this out there, but is it possible that they are, er, aiming for a specific finishing spot, to say, meet a specific team...??(or avoid one in particular)...???
No way, you try to win every game...where you finish can rarely be manufactured...

Bad time for a slump, or is it? Could this motivate them for the last 3 games on the road, and then the playoffs?

I didn't see the game last night, was it as bad as the score indicates?

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Markov needs a big guy. He can play with Diaz on the PP, but not the rest of the game.

They've been solid all year and the system hasn't changed that much. Are they losing now because:
-Price has had his Theodore conversion without pad changes.
-The new system only works with 100% effort.
-Other teams have figured out the system and are killing the risky plays.
-The system only works when they outwork the other team and other teams are playing with more effort.
-Emelin is essential (funny, I always thought he was weak on defence in the NHL, shows what I know).
-The habs are banged up as a small team the officials don't like (Torontonian officials who like a goon game and are pressured to have crappy US market teams win games).
-The team has already tuned out Therien.
-Bounces. They got them until now, the law of averages is taking hold.

I was wondering all year how this team would do in the playoffs. It will be interesting. Lots of room for improvement, though. Hamilton should be good next year and Beaulieu and Tinordi should replace Bouillon and someone else. If Ellis comes through the defence stops being small. Lots more small skilled forwards, now Bergevin knows he needs one big tough top 6 guy and we'll see if he gets him, and gets him for a reasonable price.

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That fwd lineup is boss +1.

You're making the same mistake as whoever is running the D currently though. What a colossal **** up job that is right now, bye bye Norris.
You're probably right, I am just not convinced we'll see much change in the personal. If I could, I'd go with:

Markov - Tinordi
Beaulieu - Subban
Gorges - Diaz/Weber

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Through all this hysteria, there is one thing that I keeps me calm: The team is playing TERRIBLE hockey. Sorry, TERRIBLE is an understatement. This is pee-wee level from the goaltending, to the special teams, tot he 5 on 5, to the coaching, EVERYTHING.

Does anyone really believe we are this bad? No way.

So it has to be one of two things:
-We're tired/worn out. Emelin's loss took a huge toll on the d squad and every guy is getting exposed, even Subban. Can they not keep up anymore? Because Weber isn't Emelin, and Diaz either.
-We're playing precociously in order to save ourselves for the post season. I know this is a bit of stretch but think about it. You're ten days away from the playoffs. Do you really want to hurt yourself by going up for the big hit ( a la Emelin)? Do you really want to risk injury by going in front of the net? By blocking a shot? No, because as Carey Price said, "there is a much bigger picture than this game right now". How can a team who played with heart and determination all season do a complete 180 to the bs we've been seeing lately? It doesn't make any sense. If they were losing 2-1, 3-2, 1-0 then it would be acceptable. But everyone had abandoned ship at the same time. This is the only logical explanation.

Many guys will be experiencing their first NHL action int their careers or in quite some time. This will be PAcioretty, DD, Gally x 2, Eller and to a lesser extent Subban and Price's first shot at redemption. I doubt they want to risk all of that for meaningless games.

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The problem is these funks tend to carry over. The last few years the best predictor of winning the next game is the record over the last 5 or 10 and that includes the playoffs. Teams that make the playoffs and coast a few games tend to lose early. Teams that fight to get in and for position that come into the playoffs winning tend to keep winning.

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You're probably right, I am just not convinced we'll see much change in the personal. If I could, I'd go with:

Markov - Tinordi
Beaulieu - Subban
Gorges - Diaz/Weber
You cannot realistically go into the PO with both Tinordi and Beaulieu in your top 4. They will get eaten alive.

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I thought this season was about no excuses?

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It was a good run while it lasted, we had turned alot of heads and were up for all kinds of awards. It turns out though that with the loss of a 2 million per year defenceman that we were just kicking tires.

Therrien's tenure might be a short one if he cannot go back to the moment that everything went bottom up and start over.

He was fired by the Pens and was given another shot,he had our guys believing but now it seems that they have given up on themselves and on him.

Gorges saying the team was soft was bang on, the Caps looked like they were playing vs a beer league team last night. I have more respect for Ovie and co after last night, it could have been 8-1 but they chose not to do it. The Habs looked like little boys looking for their mothers. Price looked like he needs a new blankie, they need to grow a pair, throw out the thrift shop garbage and listen to some death metal, get pissed off.

Pacioretty is garbage, I dont blame DD or Gorges for this, I blame Pacioretty.

Price is garbage, needs to step up and steal us a game, many times it's a game like Reimer played last night for the Leafs that gets everyone believing again.

Gionta everywhere Gionta and the same with Boullion, way, way to much and are exploited on every shift and it's hurting us badly. I am dissapointing by it all, but realisticly we are not physical enough and teams have figured it out, they are exploiting us and the ship is leaking and sinking fast, back to the drawing board I guess.

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Montreal's first unit on the pp only works it back to the point. It's obvious and other teams cover that option, so the habs have no other option because 1 player is on the side wall, one is in the corner and the other is standing in the midst of all the defending players.

The fact that no one ever goes to the front of the net should have that pp line dismantled.

The fact that it's very rare for anyone to go to the net even at 5 on 5 should be a huge signal that apparently no one on the coach staff can see.

You can let **** slide when you're winning, but this coaching staff is pretty abysmal when your rose coloured glasses aren't on due to wins.

Scratching Drewiskie for Weber, Bouillon and Diaz ? Are you ****ing kidding me ?

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What tells you they are were cheering for the Habs?
I'm sure Aragorn got Gandalf to be a fan, now Magneto is getting Professor X and the X-Men into it! If we're lucky, Captain Picard will work on the crew of the Starship Enterprise and we'll be getting around Hollywood like a boss!

That or they were all wearing Habs jerseys and paraphernalia, meaning they're Habs fans already or were just taking in the local scene and didn't care enough to not support the home team for the hell of it.

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Why can't the defensive assistant be fired and MB take that role for the next 7+ games? Or MB would just suck as an assistant coach?
Ridiculous. Not the assistant coach's fault he has to work with Weber, Drewiske, Bouillon and a sub-par Gorges... with Markov slowing down.

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Looks like I 'chose' the right time to move out and be left without internet/cable.

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We'll beat New Jersey and everyone will be like "Yeah,we're back !" like they did against Tampa, because most people don't know that you can win and still suck.

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