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04-18-2013, 10:11 AM
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Reading the first part of your post I was actually gonna say "well if you consider Finns Slavs then you have to consider Estonians and Hungarians the same". I'm really not into anthropology (though I considered a career in archeology while in high school) so I'll take your word for it.

Finno-Ugric is a grouping based on language (not disimilar to the more commonly referenced Indo-European) which is not mutually exclusive from lineage by any means. It's a very broad term and when you think of it that way, as you said, neither is wrong. For example, calling Belarusians Slavs is certainly correct as is Indo-European.

Note: It seems your original point has gone unnoticed by the populous of HFboards anyhow

Btw Ukko is the name of a Finnish mythological god who was considered the god of the sky, thunder, weather in general and the harvest. The Finnish word for thunder, Ukkonen, is actually derived from the name of the god.
interesting! i didn't know that. My family is actually Norwegian myself, and i've always been interested in the culture, primarily the mythology. I've never actually read much about the Finnish mythology.

also, i think people just tune out my often nonsensical posts

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04-18-2013, 01:08 PM
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Timonen is 4th among all defensemen in points. On a team that has struggled terribly on offense.

Edit: Oh, and he's 3rd on the team in points scored. And second in the +/- department, which isn't bad at all considering the goaltending and his competition. He's on pace for 55 points in an 82 game season.
I was actually about to post this. People around here are stupid. 4th in the league in points? Do. Not. Want.

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04-18-2013, 01:12 PM
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I wonder if the Flyers draft Ristolainen if that might make him play more than one more season. Even though he is declining a bit, he does supply a good veteran presence for young dmen.

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I wonder if the Flyers draft Ristolainen if that might make him play more than one more season. Even though he is declining a bit, he does supply a good veteran presence for young dmen.
Maybe--but I'm not sure they could fit a $6.0 cap hit for 2014-2015.

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I was actually about to post this. People around here are stupid. 4th in the league in points? Do. Not. Want.
Another strawman post?

I find it hard to believe that anyone wants Timonen gone. I think people think it is an inevitability that he will be. Others might quibble with his cap number--but that's still not the same as "not wanting" him.

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Another strawman post?

I find it hard to believe that anyone wants Timonen gone. I think people think it is an inevitability that he will be. Others might quibble with his cap number--but that's still not the same as "not wanting" him.
Perhaps I am being too dramatic, but:

Too much talk about how he has "lost a step" and complaining
about him in general.

He's slowed down, I agree with the community, but his production is fantastic and he's still the best dman on this team. He's made up for his reduction in speed with familiarity with the game.

He'll play if he wants to play, not because of some imagined deficiencies in his game.

People complaining about Kimmo's game, speed, or whatever, are similar to people who complain about supermodels having "sharp elbows."

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The situation is indeed complicated, however evidence exists that could denote a Slavic lineage in some parts of Finland. So technically neither oversimplification is incorrect.
There are fuzzy lines in the connection between the countries language, which closely resembles hungarian or estonian, and its people's genetic origins.
It is ridiculously complicated and fuzzy... and so extremely interesting, however, here is my (did a course on Norse Mythology, History and language last year, and spent a lot of time in Finland) understanding.

While the languages of Estonia and Finland are very different to the rest of the 'Nordic' countries, the people of Finland for the most part consider themselves to be closely related to the rest of scandinavia as people (obviously in Estonia this is also semi-true due to the large Russian population, but a lot of Estonian Estonians (if that makes sense) consider themselves as Nordic as well, and in fact western Finland had the highest level of 'Viking' DNA markers of any country in Northern europe.

Historically as well Finland and its people were part of Sweden for nigh on a century, and up until only 150 years ago a lot higher percentage of people spoke Swedish than now, and even before then in the Viking era there was a lot of interaction between Finns and the other Fennoscandinavians, and there is a lot of evidence of Viking settlement in mainland Finland.

Estonia had arguably even bigger Viking links, Oeselians were a type of 'Viking' people who participated in raids and battles with the Norweigans, Icelandic, Danes and Swedes, and the area was known as 'Estland'. There religion was also remarkably similar to the 'true' vikings, and they had a god Taara, who effectively was Thor. A few years ago in Estonia there was also a big movement to change their flag to a Nordic Cross to better reflect their history.

So while the language may be different from Scandinavia, much of their recent history (last 1200 years) and genetic markers have much in common with the other Nordic countries.

All my Finnish friends consider themselves as 'Nordic' ofc, and think of themselves as far more culturally similar to Scandinavia than Slavic countries, I only know one Estonian, and he is called Ragnar... so no more needs to be said on what he considers himself.

My Finnish friends always insult each other by calling each other 'thieving swedes' or 'dirty russians', depending on which area of Finland they are from and their second names! (ie Swedish second vs Karelian names)

Btw, if anyone ever gets a chance, go to Estonia, one of the most underrated countries I have ever visited, truly beautiful and interesting with fantastic people.

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I wonder if the Flyers draft Ristolainen if that might make him play more than one more season. Even though he is declining a bit, he does supply a good veteran presence for young dmen.
Eh, I wonder how much that would really play into anything. Yeah, they are from the same country, but I woul dbe pretty surprised if just having a guy from your country in the system would change your plans about retirement. I suppose if he is on the fence I could see this maybe pushing toward playing, but I think that it would be miniscule. Now, if he were related or something like that and he wanted to play with his son/nephew/brother/cousin or whatever, I think that would be more of a draw to stick around.

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What are geography and anthropology to a Norse god?


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People complaining about Kimmo's game, speed, or whatever, are similar to people who complain about supermodels having "sharp elbows."
Now that you draw my attention to it, I find it quite bothersome. Thanks for ruining supermodels for me.

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Now that you draw my attention to it, I find it quite bothersome. Thanks for ruining supermodels for me.
He's right! Aaaaghhh! I can't look anymore!


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Anyone have a view on Anton Belov? Good size and offensive stats this past season.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=20523

He is being discussed on the Trade board and in the Avs forum. They are highlighting some dirty or tough plays:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ighlight=belov


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Do we have this guy under contract, I've been out of the loop a bit.

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Do we have this guy under contract, I've been out of the loop a bit.
I think there is something like he has to wait until his season is over or something at the end of April. There was a post about it a few days ago.

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Do we have this guy under contract, I've been out of the loop a bit.
Zaitsev?

Impending KHL free agents cannot sign with new teams (anywhere) until April 30, 2013. His KHL team retains his rights until that day.

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Zaitsev?

Impending KHL free agents cannot sign with new teams (anywhere) until April 30, 2013. His KHL team retains his rights until that day.
See!

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I want them to offer Rob Zepp a contract.

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I want them to offer Rob Zepp a contract.
Yeah the guy that's got worse numbers than bryzgalov in the DEL would probably be a good move.

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Yeah the guy that's got worse numbers than bryzgalov in the DEL would probably be a good move.
Not saying he's good, but how does Bryz have better numbers exactly?

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Not saying he's good, but how does Bryz have better numbers exactly?
I was looking at his playoff numbers.

Regardless, he's still awful.

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Any updates?!
He's at the Worlds, right?

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Yep

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Rounding out the roster are goalies Vasily Koshechkin and Konstantin Barulin; defensemen Anton Belov, Evgeny Biryukov, Evgeny Ryasenky, Denis Denisov, Jakob Rylov, Nikita Zaitsev; and forwards Alexander Svitov, Viktor Tikhonov, Denis Kokarev, Alexei Tereschenko, Alexander Popov, Alexander Perezhogin, Sergei Soin, Egor Averin, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Kirill Petrov and Vadim Shipachev.
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